\/\/\/\/\/\- The Official MSI GT60-2OD Owner's Lounge -/\/\/\/\/\/

Is there any advantage to running the custom vBIOS if you don't intend to overclock? Does it inherently increase performance?

 

It can yes but it has the same warranty implications.

 

If you aren't going to overclock then I wouldn't mess with a modified vBIOS... I was using svl7's from Tech Inferno on and off for a month or two, and while it does give some great power/speed options for overclocking (thanks for what you help us accomplish svl7!), at stock clocks I didn't notice much difference. Two big problems I had with it was it disabled support for hardware OpenGL rendering, resulting in either totally broken or terrible performing OpenGL applications/games, and it also makes upgrading drivers a bit more complicated requiring modified .inf files and a few extra steps whenever you want to upgrade drivers.

 

Thank you for the info. I've gone back to the August-September area of this thread and am re-reading the discussions around the experiments. I'm not really a big overclocker. In the past I have had to run custom vBIOS to circumvent some ridiculously low temperature throttles and things like that. MSI does not appear to artificially lower throttling limits below nVidia's specifications which is great and yet another reason to spend money with MSI. My last Alienware would throttle my 580m at something like 69 or 70C because of Dell's limit on case temperature. That was the reason for the question.

 

Thank you for the help, Ken. I think I didn't explain well. I wasn't flashing in order to enable RAID. I was just trying to update to the latest BIOS. There are two for Windows 8.1 on the MSI GT60 20D download site but only one works with this model. I still have no clue what the other one is for.

I am having QoS problems with the Killer Wireless. Once a program begins a big download, all other programs are prevented from accessing the internet. If my bit torrent client is downloading for example, I can no longer surf the web in Chrome until the download is complete. I ordered an Intel 7260 2X2 card to resolve this. So far I have a low opinion of "Killer Wireless".

I guess the currently shipping 20D has an HGST 5K1000 hard drive in it. It was terribly laggy. I think others have experienced this. I used ChrystalDiskInfo to change the APM setting from Power Saving to Performance which completely resolved the problem. There are a lot of hex numbers on that slider between the extremes of low power and performance. I wish I knew what the differences were. I looked up the spec for the drive and it has several different idle states such as sleep (the one I think it enters frequently when it is laggy) and Active Idle. Active Idle consumes .8W of power where the fully powered idle state is 1.5W of power. If I could set APM more intelligently, I could make it stay awake while still using the lowered power state but I have no idea what hex value to set the APM value to. Regardless, the drive is reasonably responsive with APM set to performance... whatever that is. I saw this before with a Samsung Hybrid drive. It was always making clicking noises and putting itself to sleep.

 

Hi,

I Just got my laptop back from MSI. The remark said swap MB & VGA card. Does that mean they replace my graphic card too?

 

That's the detail that I've shown you.
The 7.XX BIOS is RAID-default.
The 5.XX BIOS is AHCI-default.
You can update to the latest version using the same version number sequence, such as 5.XX to 5.XX.

Regarding your QoS issues, you can configure the Killer Suite to realize your actual bandwidth.
If it's too much of hassle, then simply disable the Qualcomm Atheros service under services.msc.
Alternatively, you can uninstall the entire suite and load driver only, but by doing driver only you would use the LAN/WLAN as regular adapter without QoS capability.
http://65.244.195.67/faq/drivers/Killer_E220x_Wireless-N_INF_Win7_Win8_Win8.1.zip

Glad that you resolved the APM issue with the drive, it is very important for others to know as well. :thumbsup:

 

Hello everyone!!

I bought GT60 with 780M few weeks ago and so far im really happy except for two things:

1. Horrible stutter with Vsync in DX11 games + memory leaks - solved by changing OS to win 7 instead of win 8.1. Im pretty sure its some kind of Optimus problem.

2. Whenever i play highly demanding new titles like Tomb Raider 3, or planetside 2 performance starts to drop after a while. Temperatures are maxing at 88-90 celsius for GPU and around 80 for CPU (without vacuum cleaner mode).
After temperature gets to around 84 FPS in games starts to vary. For example : Im having around constant 60FPS and after some time its starting to vary from 30-60. I see no GPU throttling in MSI afterburner, CPU is working around 3,2-3,3 GHz but fps drop significantly. Is CPU skipping cycles or someting? What kind of throttling could that be?
Problem is solved by using cooler boost, temps even at maximum load stay around 60 for CPU and 70-75 for GPU, but you all know how loud it is, and kinda kills the fun.

Is anyone here having a same issue? Or it is just the way this laptop works?

Thanks in advance!!

 

Have you updated the BIOS, EC firmware, Intel & Nvidia VGA drivers?
These will factor the result.

Seems like you also have overheating issues, not severe but enough to cause minor throttling.
What's your gaming environment like? And does the laptop have access to enough cool air to circulate with?

 

Are you monitoring both utilization and clockspeeds? Up to a certain temperature, both the GPU and CPU will start to downclock to prevent further temp increase. My GT60 stock stayed at around 730mhz clockspeed after hours of use with 90+ Temps. Before reaching such temps during summer, It would start at turbo 850mhz and then dropping. CPU throttling can also be an issue.

Also an important question, are you running games off the HDD? because we have found it goes to sleep mode constantly to save power, which results in freeze/skips while gaming. Software like HWMonitor prevents skipping because it keeps the HDD constantly spinning. Can you verify this?

 

Im running newest intel 4600HD and Nvidia Drivers. Its still winter here, so i guess evnviorment should not be an issue. Laptop is brand new so i guess nothing is clogged with dust etc.
Im new to MSI laptops and haven't done anything with Bios or Firmware yet. I've downloaded thingy called live update and it says my MB bios is E16F4IMS.50J and VGA bios is 2175. I saw some updates on MSI site but not sure which one to use and how to update. I have samsung 840 SSD in it and 1 TB 7200 RPM HDD.
Also what is strange, Afterburner shows GPU running at 849 MHz and not throttling at all even around 90 degrees, but in games FPS are getting more unstable. Something like a FPS hiccup, without actual freezes. Also is 90 celsius really that high? Laptop itself isnt really heating up.

Utilization is running around 99%, i haven't noticed any downclocking of GPU. It happens both on games installed on SSD and HDD and its gone when i use cooler boost. Can you recommend some good software to check CPU usage and throttling?


Thank you guys for fast reply!

 

Delete it immediately, Didn't you read the notification in green text (should be red!) that it's solely for desktop motherboards

 

For the latest MSI drivers, check here:
MSI Global GT60 2OD

Hit up Nvidia.com for the latest 780m drivers (332.21), work great.

For monitoring, I prefer HWinfo64, free and will tell you everything you want to know and more:
HWiNFO, HWiNFO32/64 - Download

Another good and simpler monitoring program is HWMonitor:
HWMonitor CPUID - System & hardware benchmark, monitoring, reporting

Get everything updated driver, BIOS, EC (Firmware), and Windows wise, then run one of these monitors in the background while playing and you should be able to see what is going on. Good Luck!

I do remember at one point MSI released an EC update that improved the fan profiles, but it's been months ago... maybe you still have the older original version.

EDIT: Just scanned back through your original post and noticed you are running Win7 due to performance issues with 8... With everything setup correctly, Windows 8 or 8.1 runs great without issues like you mention. This might be related to your issues, not sure... something definitely was not correct for your experiences with performance under 8.1

 

hello guys :hi2:
we want a program that let color boost fan work automatically when cpu temperature increases
anyone could bring this program to life ??

 

AIDA64 is also a very good alternative.
AIDA64 | PC Benchmark | System Diagnostics | Stability Test .

 

The only real option I've run across for manual fan control based on temps is Phereins Fan Control Tool, found on these boards in this thread:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/msi/645070-force-fans-go-faster.html

The other option, DavePearson's GT70 Fan Control (works great on out GT60's as well), is what I personally like to use as it offers manual speed control of the fan in 10% steps, and is ideal when turbo fan isn't quite needed for what I am doing at the time:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/msi/718530-official-msi-gt70-2od-owners-lounge-175.html#post9534136

 

Find a curve you like using phereins tool and then get svet to create a custom EC with it programmed in is what I did.

 

Hello again!!

Thanks everyone, I've done all the things you recommended me guys yet my issue is still there. I've updated both bios and firmware and did clean install of windows 8.1.
With new EC temps are much better, under full load gpu will never go beyond 87 celsius, it will increase the fans and, temps will stay at around 85. I've run AIDA tests and i can see no CPU/GPU throttling at all. Yet in any game/3d application FPS will start dropping after a while, and sometimes it will drop to like 2-3 FPS

1/10 times it actually won't happen for some reason. Pic below is example of one static scene, when GPU is fully stressed and everything is ok



You can see stable 88 FPS, everything works like a charm.

And now the same scene when this occurs:



Despite temps being lower FPS are going crazy. After a while they will start droping to 20 FPS. What is really strange, GPU keeps it boost speed and there are no drops in GPU usage.

This is HWinfo when the issue happens, no CPU throttling at all




Seriously, i have no idea what could be the cause of it. I've tried all the possible drivers for both Intel and Nvidia GPU's. It happens in both windows 7 and 8.1.
Seems to be somehow temperature related because it will happen less likely with cooler boost on, yet its definitely not throttling.

Things im considering:

1. Bad PSU - when temps go higher power usage increases due to lower efficiency at higher temps. On the other hand i have never seen battery level dropping, so NOS is probably not in use.

2. Broken GPU - usually followed by graphic driver crashes and artifacts - im experiencing none of it

3. Optimus issue - iGPU bottlenecking dGPU. Could explain 780M staying at max clock and usage and frames going down. I've monitored iGPU too and its clock stays at 1147 MHz, it doesn't drop at all

4. Broken motherboard/sensor


If anyone has any ideas i would really appreciate it! I think i will have to RMA though, since laptop is only 4 weeks old. Im kinda scared cause i have no idea how good is MSI support in Poland

 

The first page lists an important reminder to mail or fax proof of purchase within the first thirty days. I know most of you bought this laptop within a month or two of its release. I have had mine for a little over two weeks. I really like it so I decided I'm going to keep it. I performed the registration today. The email I got from the system appears to be a little different than the one you guys were getting:

Dear Valued Customer,

Your recent Online Product Registration request has been submitted successfully.

This E-Mail is an automatic reply, which is to notify you that you have reached MSI Customer Service Department. Please do not reply to this email.

If you registered a notebook / AIO tablet product AND DID NOT submit proof of purchase online, MSI Reminds Our Customer:

To complete your product registration and take advantage of the warranty service, you must:
1. Print out this form
2. Submit the proof of purchase or receipt (Please retain a copy of all documents submitted for your records)
3. Mail / fax the registration form and the receipt within 30 days from the date of purchase:


MSI Computer Corp:
ATTN: MSI NB / AIO Warranty Processing Center
901 Canada Court
City of Industry, CA 91748
USA

Fax: (626) 581-1551

My online registration had a place to upload a picture of the invoice and a picture of the Barcode/SN portion of the box. My belief is that they added this after you guys registered yours and there is no longer a need to mail part of the box or the invoice if you have uploaded it to your product registration. Does that sound right you you guys? My warranty looks to be active. They even added three months to it so it is a 27 month warranty instead of a 24.

Next question: Do I get Accidental Damage Coverage? I don't see this documented on the box or on the small warranty papers that were in the box. It is mentioned in the promo material that is on the websites of the vendors that sell the laptop. There is a record of it on the MSI USA site. They call it "Oops Protection". However, there was nothing explicitly in the box with my shipped product that flatly stated that I had protection. My only assumption would be that they don't box it up because these laptops are stocked all over the world and not all regions get the same warranty. Does that sound right to you?

EDIT: The three month extension was for filling out a survey but I still don't see any actual documentation about the accidental coverage. I did receive an email confirming that my documentation was received and my warranty was active.

 

The difference I see in your two graphs is that the CPU1 temperature becomes very unstable and erratic. It does this even before your GPU starts throttling. My suspicion is that you have a bad paste job from the factory on the CPU. The TIM is uneven and allowing one of the cores to fluctuate wildly in temperature due to an air bubble in one area of the die. The other dilemma you have is that sending it back may result in them doing nothing due to being unable to reproduce the problem. I personally suspect you need a new CPU if a repaste doesn't fix it. I would repaste myself with some MX4, AS5, IC Diamond, or something like that. If it still acts weird, I would send it off. I really hate being without my laptop for weeks while they tinker with it so I am always inclined to fix it if I can even if it costs me money but that's just me. I'm pretty new to the GT60 but this isn't my first gaming laptop by any means. Others here are MUCH more familiar with this particular design, but that's my input.

 

Welcome all. No one responded to my topic http://forum.notebookreview.com/wha...-17-inch-good-performecne-little-moblity.html. and now i need help

I rlly like MSI. Now i had GE600. Can u help me decide. I need good performecne and little moblity (Daily transport to work by car. There it will be standing on the desk). My favorite is ofc GT60 but I'm afraid heat and noise. Usually i play on high settings rome2,bf3 (temp should be lower?). Which version is better: 3 x msata + 1 x 2,5' or just 2 x 2,5' ? Can i repaste graphic with Zalman STG2?


Price in my country ofc

GT60 1410 Euro
Intel® Core™ i7-4700MQ 4 x 2.40 GHz
8GB RAM DDR3 1333MHz
NVIDIA® GeForce™ GTX780M 4GB GDDR5
(3.5 kg + ac adpter 0.9 kg)
Version with 3 x msata + 1 x 2,5' or just 2 x 2,5'


Clevo P370SM 1410 Euro
17.3" FullHD NonGlare LED
Intel Core i7-4700MQ 2.4GHz/3.4GHz Turbo 6MB L3 Cache
ATI® Radeon® HD8970M - 4GB GDDR5 - DirectX 11
1x8 GB DDR3 1600
WLAN: WLAN INTEL® N-7260 b/g/n (300Mbps) + BLUETOOTH
(3.9kg + ac adapter 1,3 kg )


MSI GS70 17'
Intel Core i7-4700HQ
GTX765M
128 GB SSD mSATA 1000 GB SATA 5400 obr.
8 GB (SO-DIMM DDR3, 1600 MHz)
2,7kg + Ac adapter 0,4kg

 

Nah its not CPU temperature. "Liczba klatek na sekundę" it frames per second, CPU temp is below and its stable at 71-72 Celsius. There is no GPU throttling on the graph, in the end i just alt+tab to take a screenshot.

 

well it seems like the killer card has been running a bit more unstable lately. seemed fine at first when i updated to 8.1. any ideas on a good fix?

 

I don't know if you saw it but Ken posted a link to the Killer Wireless driver only package that does not contain the "suite" of junk that is in the standard package. You may find that to be more stable. Here is the post he made: http://forum.notebookreview.com/msi/719029-official-msi-gt60-2od-owners-lounge-68.html#post9566188

My solution was to order an Intel 7260 2X2 card for about $30. It will be here today.

 

i just noticed that killer's app was running in the tray. i closed it, and it seems to be a bit more stable now. *shrug*

 

I received my Intel 7260HMW today and installed it. The job takes about ten or fifteen minutes. erikranger did a great job of showing us how to do it with the video in this post.

Please note that the power button/hinge cover that you have to remove is clipped in there pretty darn tight so you have to be patient with it. I would note that the RJ45 ethernet port is not driven by the card so you will still have a "Killer e2200" Ethernet port.

Here's what I did:

1. Download the latest Intel Drivers for the 7260HMW.. (Windows 8.1 picked it up with builtin driver anyway)
2. Download basic driver only package from Kevin's link (Gentech PC) for the hard wired ethernet controller.
3. Uninstall the Qualcomm suite in "Programs and Features" in Windows 8.1.
4. Shut down the laptop, unplug it, and remove the battery.
5. Unclip the touch panel per erikranger's youtube video and replace the card.
6. Replace the battery, power, boot up, and install the Intel driver I downloaded earlier.
7. Go to the Device Manager, right click the unknown ethernet controller, select Update Driver, and browse to the driver only package to update the driver for the e2200 manually.

The end result is that you have Intel Wifi (AC) with Bluetooth 4.0, and a Killer e2200 wired port. You are rid of the Killer Suite with the QoS bandwidth allocation stuff too. Some may like that but I found it's behavior kind of bizarre and others found it tends to crash sometimes. It just seemed like a whole lot of software trying to solve a problem that nobody has in my opinion. It's all gone now.

 

Were you able to compare the performance from each card?
Many would be interested to know if there's any differences among them.

 

Heh no one answered me http://forum.notebookreview.com/msi/719029-official-msi-gt60-2od-owners-lounge-204.html#post9570002
so i chose GT 60
But in my country verison with i7-4800MQ is cheaper than i7-4700MQ and idk why?
It is i7-4800MQ too warm for GT60 system cooling?

 

You can use Pherein's Fan Tool to make your own custom profiles. Search for "Fan Control Tools by Pherein v1.0.4.rar". Another tool that works is "GT70 Fan Control V1.4 setup.zip" but I forget who made it. I have read here that creating a profile that gets your fan up to about 70% will keep the system cool without being as loud as the Turbo Fan mode. Of course the Turbo mode works really well too. I haven't had my system long but I am finding that if I use vSync and don't let the GPU run as hard as it can, it stays pretty cool. I haven't been playing the most intense games I own. I've been playing Batman Arkham Asylum and Torchlight II and my CPU max temp is 80C. My GPU max is 72C. You should be good to go. Enjoy your new system and welcome to the club!

 

I'm sorry. I don't have an AC capable router. The main reason I went Intel was to get better bluetooth support. I suspect if I had just used the basic driver pack you linked, I would have gotten away from the "weirdness" of the Killer software suite. I know there's nothing wrong with that software but I just didn't see the purpose in having to mess with it. If I ever get a good router, I will test both cards!

 

Yea but u have i7-4700 and u got almost 80C. Im going to play in Rome TW2,B4 etc. i7-4800 have base 300 MHz more = more about 3-4 deegres?
Im afraid why version with i7-4800 is cheaper than i7-4700 ;D

 

They have the same TDP so likely very similar temps.

 

Sorry, that's not what I meant.
You still can measure the 802.11n performance difference between them because the router is the same one.

 

Definitely go for the 4800. Temperatures should be similar. Enjoy your machine and welcome to the club

 

You can always repaste and the 4800 has the potential for some fun tweaking too.

 

Hello everyone!!

I bought GT60 with 780M 3 days ago and so far im really happy.

Here my gt60 system: i7-4700MQ, nVidia 780m GTX, 8 GB bus 1600mhz, Crucial m4 256GB SSD, 1TB HD. Its came to me with free ddos; so i install window 8.1 pro 64 bit version.

But something is not right with my GT60. Its very smooth with some game: dota 2, sc2:hos, wow but horrible fps drop in Diablo3. When i got into combat or just normal screen in game, fps drop from 60 -> 35~ 40 and then quicky rise up into 60 while my ping is very stable at ~120.


Is anyone here having a same issue? Or it is just the way this laptop works? Should i change os system back to win 7

Thanks in advance!!

 

sounds like a game compatibility issue to me. i wouldn't switch back to 7. i'm a firm believer in 8.1--even with all the raw edges desktop has.

 

Can you monitor the temperatures in the background using GPUZ?
Additionally, make sure the BIOS and EC firmware are up-to-date.
MSI Global GT60 2OD

 

I just recently purchased a MSI G Series GT70 2OD-039US. I replaced my old MSI Gt70 ONE. This thing should by all means be a gaming beast, and when I got it a few days ago it seemed to be just that. I installed Batman Arkham Origins and it ran smooth as butter at 60fps, no problem (my old GT70 ONE suffered huge fps drops with it). However I updated the NVIDIA GTX780m to the newest driver (334.89) and problems began. State of decay started playing extremely jittery, and batman started lagging. So i uninstalled the driver, used driver fusion to remove it completely, and rolled back to 332.21. Things ran better but would randomly freeze in games for a few seconds (Dead Space 3 for instance). I tried upgrading to windows 8.1 and then installing the new drivers, some games ran perfectly, others chugged or did weird ghost looking flickers. I tried uninstalling and reinstalling, updating the the newer driver, even installing 332.21 and then installing 334.89 over it.

Finally I completely restored my computer to try and get things back to pristine condition. The restore took it back to windows 8 (instead of 8.1) and I have installed the newest NVIDIA driver. However State Of Decay, while better still chugs and drops framerate, regardless of the settings (low to ultra), and the strangest ting yet was when I installed Skyrim. It suggested I set my settings to LOW QUALITY. I couldnt believe it, my old GT70 ONE ran it at ultra. Huh??? I also checked and it was indeed running it on my NVIDIA GTX780m and not my integrated card (i checked this on every game to rule it out).

So i figure this must be A mistake. I set it to "HIGH" just to test it and run the game and it is flickering and running like it is in slow mo. I set it to low, same thing. Ghostlike flickering and poor framerate. I tried it with Vsync on and off and it didn't help. I don't understand, my old laptop ran it on ultra like a champ, this new one is far more powerful. Better card, better architecture, I have 32 gig of ram for crying out loud. Getting frustrated. Something is very off. Can anyone please help me out here? I have been ready to pull my hair out for days.

 

dunno. fallout NV plays like a baws on mine. it's not entirely out of the question that bethesda just threw debugging out the window though. that's rather par for the course, actually.

 

It ran great on my older. less powerful laptop though. Its really starting to frustrate me. I just want to zero in on what the problem is so I can fix it

 

well for what it's worth, fallout 3 ran just dandy on my old sager 8662 with a 260m gtx card, vista, and a quad core with 4 gb ram.

tried to run it on my msi gx660r with a radeon 5870m, 8 core & 6gb ram, and it had unplayable stutter at the start menu. NO reason for this either.

i really do think bethesda has crack smoking hippies doing their programming.

 

Lol, quite possibly. They certainly arent futureproofing their games.

 

bit of an odd issue, my fan does not ramp up no matter what i do, i cannot install the latest EC because it is not on the website (gives me an error when trying to download) i just updated my bios and it didn't help, i cant game unless i put the turbo on, any thoughts?

 

@nicksmizzle

The reasons could be 2: the pwm circuit on the fan is damaged or the EC controller isn't sending the correct signal. Try this first: get into the BIOS menu without booting into windows. Check if the CPU area under the left vent gets hot. Also listen on the fan if it ramps up. This way you put some stress on the CPU and it should get it to heat up. If it works then there's something with your windows config that's causing the problem. If not than I'm afraid the fan is faulty.

@Myrothe

It's mostly driver related. Try reinstalling directx 9 (the latest one, july 2010 I think) again. I get stuttering under state of decay too while skyrim is smooth at ultra.
Also try playing with the gaming profile set under SCM. At least it disables power saving features of all components (HDD, GPU, CPU).

@Jody

Can you test the signal stability with the 7260? I mean when you move out of the router's "line-of-sight", does it retain the signal strength? Do you notice any signal hickups or drops?

 

I can load up windows just fine, i loaded up that and the counter strike global offensive to see if it would ramp up, nothing. I can change the speed manualy with software so that is leading me to be believe it is something with my windows set up

EDIT: if i run furmark or something it says the fan is at -1%.....what. I can Still ramp up the fan manually but no luck getting applications to do it

 

What windows version are you running? Seems like an ACPI driver issue (that's what controls power profiles under windows). Did it always behave like this? When was the last time (if you remember) that the fan worked? Did you update the BIOS or EC firmware? Furmark reports what it reads from the NVIDIA API. Try booting a Linux distro and get a software to stress the CPU/GPU. Maybe a 3D intensive software. In doing this ensures that it's only software related and not hardware.

 

Im running windows 8 pro not 8.1, should i update to 8.1 maybe? I honestly cannot remember the last time it worked but I do remember that it did work, I did update the bios and ec firmware (I've been looking for the older ones to try but can't seem to find them) I'll try doing Linux when I get back from class today, this is really weird but thank you a ton for your help, I'll report back when I'm done later

 

Signal strenght/reception is excellent in conjunction with my 802.11n router. I also used it in a hotel last weekend without issue. I did not notice any signal strength problems with the Killer Wireless either but the 7260 is fine as well.

As a test, I carried it around the house while downloading. I walked into a walkin closet where there would be more walls in the way. No signal drops and no slowdowns in the network activity. I didn't do that with the OEM card but I never noticed it having that kind of problem either.

 

I don't know if you loaded Windows from scratch. On most laptops I've ever owned this is always a recommended thing in order to make sure you get rid of the bloatware and have a good clean base to work with. HOWEVER, I have read many warnings in this thread about instability and strange behavior with clean installs. It may have something to do with the versions of software available to us or whatever. Anyway, the recommendation I have seen most often on here for this laptop is to go ahead and use the MSI installed base and just remove the software you don't want. Otherwise you may have crashes and other weirdness. If you didn't do a clean install then just ignore me.