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Yeah the stock paste was I think ceramic type which is not good. I already finished the test with ICD which runs much cooler than the factory paste

GPU-Z reads 860M no problem, it was the HWMonitor doesn't reads the GPU correctly but it can still reads the temperature data.

 

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Hey Ken,

Thanks for the quick reply, LOL! I see we are online at the same time again. Yeah, that GPU is integrated, right? So, I think HWMon only displays sensor data in such cases.

 

You are giving too much credit to GPU-Z
This software runs from a database, if its not up to date, it provide wrong information. The last version 0.7.7 is dated Feb 14th. At that time, nobody knew that 860M will be available in 2 versions...
To know if its Kepler or Maxwell, you must run CUDA Device Query and see what version of CUDA is supported. sm-50 and it's Maxwell. Lower and it's Kepler
Until GPU-Z will be updated with clearly stating it can differentiate 860M Maxwell and 860M Kepler, don't trust it...

 

Yup, that's what I use on the review video. earlier version doesn't read the GPU data.

 

LOL! Let me help you out there, Ken:

It can't be clearer, can it?

 

Guys, in the news speak of a Gigabyte laptop called P35 but I only found this one:
GIGABYTE - Notebook & Netbook - Notebook & Netbook - P series - P34G v2
It seems to be a refreshed P34G, yet I could not find it on any re-sellers website like Xoptic/Gentech. Is it going to be released soon and how many versions will be released? if you find any information please share thanks

 

Gigabyte? New MSI models spoken here...... Gigabyte spoken over THERE!

 

Well it seems that the MSI GS has a Keppler 860m.
According to this german website:

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That is entirely possible. It is not uncommon for the manufacturer to distribute different models (or SKU's), with different specs, to different countries. I also notice the data shown for that German distribution, is that of a GS60 Ghost (not the GE60 or GE70), which is yet to be seen here in the U.S. Please post the web-link.... I am sure everyone would be interested. Did the website happen to show the data for temps?

 

Here is the Link to the news:
Nvidia GeForce 830M/840M ist
+
Nvidia kündigt

 

Thanks a lot John, I was hoping the articles had temps for the GS60, especially since it's Kepler, and a dual fan system..... but no such luck. Oh well, we will know soon enough, I guess.

 

If it's true, then it perfectly makes sense that MSI embedded a revised VGA BIOS for the 765M to rebrand it as a 860M without redesigning the GS mainboard.

 

Wow those temps went down a lot.
Going off of Gentech's video, the previous temps for the cpu in the GE60 were:
Core#0: 93C
Core#1: 92C
Core#2: 94C
Core#3: 91C
Package: 94C

 

Hey, there are two variants available now in Canada (for the new GT60 w/870m. The one available now has the i7-4800mq, and the other will have the i7-4810mq. They are both the same price. But is the 4810mq worth the wait?

 

There will be a 100Mhz difference.

 

Is that significant? Like would that make that big a difference to justify getting it?

 

I would be really surprised if you saw any benefit from that, especially for gaming.

If you were doing alot of CPU intensive programs that required many calculations, it could shave off a few seconds for something that would take several minutes to process.

 

I am very disappointed to see that the GS60 @Cebit was running a Kepler based GPU.

I was really looking forward to the GS60 as it ticked nearly every box I was looking for, but now I am glad I didn't preorder the system yet. I'm going to hold out hope that the US variant is Maxwell based and wait for a review.

Concerns:
1.) Kepler-style heat in a thin chassis is a recipe for either a.) lots of fan noise or b.) long-term stability issues.
2.) I would be willing to bet the Maxwell variant of the 860M will see stronger performance gains over time due to driver improvements when compared to the Kepler variant.

 

Guys, could anyone be kind enough to link me threads with speculation or information about the next gigabyte maxwell, and alienware, my processor is a dual core 1.7 GHZ in an inspiron 1300 that turns the fan on when I open fire fox so I am sure you will be kind enough to assist me with that legwork

 

UGH.... same... I really do hope the US version is the 860M "Maxwell" version. It might actually hold me off on my order.

 

Check this Amazon.com: MSI G Series GT60 Dominator-423 15.6-Inch Laptop (Aluminum Black): Computers & Accessories
Amazon shows GT 60 dominator's processor as Apple A4 not 4800!

 

Someone got very confused filling out those specs.

 

I'm planning on buying the new GT70 dominator, and wanted to know, Am I able to remove the battery, and upgrade the specifications? I want to buy the GTX870 3GB and upgrade it with SSD and 16 RAM, is it possible? And is this laptop worth buying it? Thanks in advance.

 

Congrats on your first post!
Yes the battery is removable. MSI does allow users to upgrade the RAM and Hard Drives/SSD without voiding the warranty. So your plans should be fine.

 

As the trend of previous GT laptops, the battery should be both the same model and removable yeah. Unless they decided to completely change it which is doubtful.

Considering the wide configurations available for the dominator, you shouldn't have problems using SSDs or 16 gigs of ram or more, up to 32 GB. Just make sure you get the correct type of ram (1.5v vs 1.35v) and you will be fine. SSD can be both msata or 2.5 inch sata if you will, but it is best to get fast msata ssd for boot and a large hdd for storage. At least for convenience.

You can go full SSDs everywhere if you want haha

 

Hey guys, i've been looking at the XOTIC PC MSI laptops page and I'm seeing some contradictions between the GTX 870M GPUs. On some models, the 870M has 6gb of Vram, but on other 870Ms it shows 3 gb.

Is this some kind of typo or are there two different types of 870Ms? If there is a separate maxwell 870M then it would make sense seeing it in the GS70 pro, GS60 pro, and 14" Razer. Otherwise it seems really shocking seeing these laptops with an 870M kepler which is similar to the 100W GTX 680M. The cooling required is insane in such a small form factor.

 

They are listed correct, there are two different versions.

 

Soooo do we have any information that shows what the differences between the two are other than the 3gb vram? Is one based on the maxwell architecture and runs much cooler??

I knew that there were two 860Ms, but this is the first iv'e heard of two 870Ms

Edit: apparently they are the same GPU and the 3gb Vram really is the only difference

 

Oh, I also forgot to list an additional concern to the Kepler vs. Maxwell 860m variant list:

3.) Power Draw / Battery life impact of having a Kepler 860m as opposed to a Maxwell.

I am also concerned that the 1080p screen is not an IPS screen like the "3k" screen. The phrasing they are using within the marketing is squishy. I have sent an email to MSI trying to confirm this, but have not yet gotten a response.

Given my requirements below, I think my only alternative to the MSI GS60 is probably going to be the lenovo y50. Given Lenovo's reputation from a security standpoint, and the fact that I don't like the style of their laptops, I would really prefer to stay away from them. <Insert Explitive>

Requirements:
1.) Run modern games at high detail @ 1080p resolution
2.) Host ~20 mixed OS Guest Virtual Machines - Performance Requirement (Quad Core i7 CPU w/ 16gb of RAM)
3.) Storage Requirement: Be able to house at least 2 SSDs, preferably 3.
(Dedicated drive for Linux and VM storage, dedicated drive for windows, optionally split off VM storage to a new drive)
4.) Reasonably thin/lightweight/portable
(Target: ~5lbs, <1 inch thick).
5.) Linux compatability.
6.) 1080p screen to avoid the scaling issues (particularly in Linux) / performance issues associated with high-res displays.
7.) Physical ethernet port in chassis (as oppose to a USB dongle ala ultrabook).
8.) (Nice To Have - not met by MSI GS60) Touchscreen.

 

MSI is still using 180W PSU even on the models with GTX 880M.

Good job :laugh:

 

The thing is, since it works, thats why they still use it. They liked their hybrid power solution and thus, we will be seeing 180w psu for a while hahaha.

 

New chassis? Dual silent cooling fans? Or same old same ole but diff gpu/cpu one change?

 

I'm could someone maybe explain the whole hybrid power thing?
is it simply saying it runs off the battery while it charges? or is it both??? and did the gs70 have it? why doesnt anyone seem to like it?

 

Total of 230W of combined power, it works but wears battery out slightly quicker.

 

Wait you guys are suggesting they are not using a maxwell based 860m in the gs60? That would be stupid.... is this confirmed in any way?

 

Earlier in the thread, John Bello posted a link to a German website that has a screenshot of hwinfo reporting the Kepler gk104 860m variant for the gs60.

 

I sent an email to MSI asking if the 1920*1080 screen was an IPS display and whether or not the 860m was the kepler or Maxwell variant and all I got back was:

'Unfortunately no information is available for release at this time.'

 

I have been reading this form for a couple of days to get more info on the GS60 Ghost, and has no one noticed that MSI has posted a page for the GS60 Ghost? Here it is MSI USA - Dragoon Army Site | GS60 Ghost Gaming Notebook

 

Regarding the U.S. GS60 Ghost SKU, we will know soon enough. I am guessing the 860M will be Maxwell. If it's any consolation, Ken has shown that Maxwell was indeed the GPU for the U.S. version of the GE60/GE70. I would not be too discouraged from what we are seeing in overseas markets.

Yep, but MSI is aware of our concerns here, and I expect this to change soon. Stay tuned, and keep and eye out for MSI's next gaming flagship. I think everyone will be pleasantly surprised. Call it speculation on my part, but I'm guessing they didn't find the added cost worthwhile, for necessary power receptacle chassis changes, and higher-watt PA's. After all, this go-round, MSI had to play the hand they were dealt..... yet another up-clocked, power hungry, high-temp, throttling Kepler. When the top mobile Maxwell's are released, it will be an entirely different ballgame.

 

Indeed... I still have my hopes. I can't wait till they start sending the GS60 to Ken and crew so that we can see the final results/models. More than likely, I will still buy a GS60 regardless since its still a big upgrade for me (still sporting an old M11x R2 woot)

 

I sincerely hope they do listen. MSI is the only OEM that bundle 180W PSUs with the high end notebooks. Asus, Clevo, Dell, they all use a 240W PSU.
The idea to draw power from the battery when you overclock is technically interesting, but it does put a strain on the battery and it only allow this much overclocking until the battery is sucked dry. Not only will it allow a certain time with overclocking, but it have its limitations about how high you can go until the battery is uncapable of delivering enough power. That problem does not occur with a better PSU.

Will definately be interesting to see the upcoming top models from MSI with Maxwell for sure. I will be replacing this AW18 then and I`m always interested in new stuff

 

So, I've been keeping up on the thread fairly closely and without going back through the entire thing again, is there concrete evidence that the new GS70 with the 860m is in fact rocking a maxwell chip?

I would love to update my rather old laptop with this baby but want to be sure that it's confirmed to be running maxwell before I take the plunge. While the 870m sounds rather tempting (what can I say, I'm a performance ) I don't think turning my laptop into an easy bake oven is worth the performance gain. I don't play much that's graphically intensive anyway so it shouldn't be a big deal. Currently, the most taxing thing I'm playing is dota 2

I thought about the blade pro but Razer wasn't interested in telling me if it was a Maxwell chip and they've "temporarily" disabled student discounts until they see fit to let us have them again

Thanks in Advance!

 

Yeah except I am in Germany and would be buying a German model of the GS60... I really am not sure I will buy it if it's not Maxwell though. With that form factor, it is just begging for a more efficient chip.

 

Yeah, I wouldn't worry too much about the GS60 Ghost 860M. Just as the GE60/GE70, I feel fairly confident they will arrive to the U.S., as Maxwell. Also, I am sure Ken will let us know, as soon as this info can be verified. For those not in the U.S., I understand your concerns, but there is always the option of ordering from one of our forum friendly resellers. Most of them routinely do a global business.

Also, for those of us wanting larger PA's, I see at least a 230W PA, coming to a new MSI gaming flagship soon.

 

The unit could be a engineering sample. I was going to borrow a GS60 Ghost from MSI last week but they told me it's engineering sample and the video card is not "real" so I pass.

 

Thanks Ken..... for always coming to our rescue. I knew you were probably already on top of this, LOL!

 

Best news ever Until you start showing final hardware for the GS60 of course

 

What I would like to know is if MSI plan to finally change the design on the GT series when next wave of Maxwell arrives...
It is long overdue.

 

Only MSI knows that. Once we're close to a model refresh we'll know more, just no idea when that will be.