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MSI Notebook Official Website | G Series - GT60 Dominator-424 Gaming Notebook / Laptop 8 GB ram set: 1399$
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300$ is a bit extreme for 4Gbs of ram I must say...
By the way Xoptic seems to have many customized GT60 dominators at amazon: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_pg_2...e=2&keywords=dominator&ie=UTF8&qid=1394830275
Have these laptops been already customized/tested/shipped to amazon so soon or are they just pre-orders?

 

Yeah, for sure, but I am wondering if that's not a typo. If you peek at Ken's Gentech page ( HERE), it's only a $100 difference between the two models.

 

Guys, is 180W PSU, a big issue? I mean should I be concerned about it?

 

I got my Gt70 Dom a week early with the gtx870m this thing is fast !

 

from what i've learned the problem with the 180W PSU is how the laptop also draws from the battery at the same time as the wall, combining it to a total of 230W that means you'll be on your battery even when you're not unplugged which causes the battery to "run out of juice" sooner

 

Could you please be more specific? you mean, when someone is (playing video games) , the battery should not be removed, and the laptop should be plugged in?

 

If u guys want to know whether it is a maxwell or kepler chip, you can try visiting their retail stores and checking using nvidia control panel > system information.
It shows the number of cuda cores.
640 = maxwell and over 1000 = kepler.

 

Average fps in most demanding games?

 

The WAN Show: New Razer Blade 14 Popcorn Time is Gone?? Haswell-E Coming Soon?? - YouTube
It looks like we have 2 870m cards. One is 3gb and other is 6gb. Do u think we have 1 kepler and other maxwell?

 

GS60 Ghost has a rebranded 860M which is Kepler-based 765M so it's not a Maxwell.

 

Wonder how Razer is cramming an 870M Kepler into that 14.

 

So the one GenTech is carrying Maxwell or Kepler?

 

Disappointed to hear that. Guess I will wait to see the gigabyte p35r or the lenovo y50, while secretly hoping some other manufacturers come out with alternatives. Not really a fan of Gigabyte or Lenovo.

 

The New GE60 MSI models as we have seen in gentech's review ran at high temps. of 90+ with factory paste. It seems the fan of the GE60 is slightly smaller compared to the GT60, the copper tubes in the GE60 are only 2 compared to what seems like 5 in the GT60 and in the GE60 the HDD is placed in the Secondary Bay making the heat concentration more towards the right side as CPU,GPU,HDD are all on the right vs Primary Bay in the GT60 non pro which places the hard disk to the far left away from the CPU,GPU's heat. Are these valid reasons to conclude that with or without proper paste, the GE60 will remain hotter than the G60 in general? As always Cloudfire's opinion is highly valued..

 

Are you referring specifically to the one you're carrying?The reports I've read say the new G60 Ghost is sporting a Maxwell-based 860M. The Ghost Pro has the 870M,which is either a rebrand or Kepler variation, depending on who you ask.

 

Whoa, this is surprising to me, especially given the U.S. GE60/GE70 models are Maxwell. That will be a disappointment for most. So this seems to confirm the currently scheduled GS60 SKU's, arriving to the U.S., will be equipped with Kepler GPU's. Perhaps future U.S. SKU's will be sporting Maxwell's..... any word on this Kevin?

Usually, all of the U.S. resellers and retailers will have the same SKU's available to them, unless one of them is given an 'exclusive' SKU. Since the performance between the 860M variants are similar, I am wondering if the Maxwell production made schedule, and if the manufacturer is not consider the two GPU's, one and the same. After all, two different GPU's, yet both are designated as one, the GTX-860M. Perhaps SKU's will not change at all between the two, and the same SKU's will be sporting Maxwells in later shipments. I knew this Kepler/Maxwell 860M was going to be confusing.... better yet, a fiasco, LOL!

 

Well, that is down right dissapointing. Guess I'll just have to make do until someone gets a maxwell into a thin and light laptop. I can't see buying a Kepler based thin and light that turns into a furnace to bake my balls and components.

 

Well, at least one Ghost will have at least one Maxwell. That's all we know.

 

I'm keeping my eyes peeled for that one! Gs60 or 70 I honestly don't care. I just want one with maxwell lol. I'm kinda hoping for the gs70 to have it as it gives me an excuse to buy this awesome leather bag for it . I'd get in trouble were that to get out

 

Likely with very aggressive fan profiles.

 

Hot and loud for sure

 

Very disappointing

 

I'm going to be so disgusted if the maxwell card ends up in a fat laptop. That would just be so fitting

 

Are there any major differences between features of GT60 dominator (870), GT60 0ne(680) laptops. Specifically is TDE technology as good as the dominator's nvidia GPU boost, is the NOS feature present in both models?, is there a significant difference between 0ne's cooler booster, and dominator's cooler booster 2.0?

 

You mean like the apache series that was confirmed to have maxwell according to a post earlier in the thread?

Looked at the gigabyte p35 and lenovo y50,but not really liking them too much... If MSI had Maxwell in the gs60 it would have been a 'shut up and take my money' laptop.

 

We'll that is very disappointing, the only reason I was interested in this was by thinking it came with Maxwell and not Kepler.

 

That is pretty stupid on MSI's part. It was a no brainer buy for me but now I think I will go with the y50 instead.

 

I agree with everyone here.
GS series should absolutely had the GTX 860M Maxwell edition. We are talking less than 50% of the TDP while roughly the same performance. Overclocking wise Maxwell GTX 860M should be better than Kepler 860M too.
All extremely important both for heat, noise and squeezing performance out of the PSU that comes along with the GS60.

 

Truth be told, in the interest of lower tdp/battery efficiency I would have liked them to pair an Intel 4702 quad core(37 watt tsp) with the maxwell GPU like the lenovo y50 is slated to. The lenovo lacks the style of the gs60, the cooling system is not as nice, and I have security concerns regarding their products as do many governments and businesses, but I have to say it looks like they put the right components together for a slim gaming laptop. I think I am going to wait for some other 860m maxwell laptops to drop from other vendors though.

 

Not to hijack this thread or anything but the new Gigabyte P34 V2 will have the Maxwell 860M.

 

It is fine as your intentions are constructive but the Gigabyte laptop has very little information regarding release date, and in GT60 ghost's case, MSI's official website lists it as GTX 860 2GB ram (maxwell) so take all the information about it with a grain of salt.

 

Deffinately looking forward to having all the confusion cleared up so I can make a decision on what exactly I'm purchasing or just waiting until maxwell is all they can put into their laptops!

Common, MSI, don't make me buy a blade pro (assuming they have in fact put a Maxwell in it... Buggers won't just tell me which chip is in it!)

 

I liked the p34g v2 but the ghost is just much nicer in terms of appearance (to me at least, since it's all subjective) and more feature packed.

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GeForce GTX 800M Ultra-Portable Gaming Laptops | GeForce
Nvidia says GS60/70 get 870..but if they can not even fix the memmory bandwidth amount on their 800 series how can you trust them

 

If you click on 'Learn more' and scroll to the bottom of the MSI page it says that the GS60 will have the 860m while the GS70 will have the 860m and 870m.

Another thing I noticed is that there is two versions of the GS60 on MSI's site. The 003 version and the 007 version. The 003 version has 12gb of ram and 750gb hdd + 128gb ssd for $1699. The 007 version has 16gb of ram and 1tb hdd + 128gb ssd for $1799. Everything else is the same.

 

We don't have an exact details at the moment until the official release, and this is all we know as of now.
However, if we know more then we will be more than happy to share with everyone under permitted circumstances, thank you.

 

As far as we know, it's 860M for now as they are just GS60 Ghost.
The GS60 Ghost Pro will have 870M, but that's N/A right now since it had only been introduced in Cebit recently, so we will wait and see.

 

If the Ghost Pro with 870m is supposed to be available only later that year, whereas the 870m (kepler) is already introduced one week ago and already takes place in some notebooks like the GT60/70 Dominator, couldn't that be an additional indication for it as Maxwell?

In Addition to that I found following text:

"The NVIDIA GeForce GTX 870M leverages NVIDIA's revolutionary new architecture to deliver extreme performance than the previous generation. Compare to GeForce GTX 770M, users could get over 30% faster and more performance at same level new graphics card with lower temperature and watts..." ( source)

Maybe there are/are coming two 870M GPUs? One as Maxwell, one as Kepler, similiar to that we see with the 860m at the moment...
For me that's the most plausible answer to the question why they now can run such a powerful GPU in such a slim chassis, whereas the predecessor (GS70) "only" had a 765M, not a 770M.

 

I mentioned elsewhere (Ghost thread?) that there was a Maxwell version and maybe a rebrand/update to the previous chips that explained the conflicting information. I couldn't remember where I read it, but over the weekend I found the link that I had read.

GeForces 800M series combines Maxwell, Kepler - The Tech Report

(My emphasis.)


Edit: More from DailyTech

 

I mentioned elsewhere (Ghost thread?) that there was a Maxwell version and maybe a rebrand/update to the previous chips that explained the conflicting information. I couldn't remember where I read it, but over the weekend I found the link that I had read.

GeForces 800M series combines Maxwell, Kepler - The Tech Report

(My emphasis.)


Edit: More from DailyTech

 

(Duplicate... Pls ignore/delete.)

 

GentechPC posted a good YouTube video, that unfortunately confirms their earlier post starting the gs60 is Kepler based...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...zi9EpLlv0s3bKZ5Mw&sig2=p57HLSqu1uJfzVN2CwfyOw

I am passing on this system. I'm betting there will be some competitive 15" maxwell based systems out around the June timeframe.

 

So you need to get a GE60/GE70. MSI GE70 and GE60 Apache gaming notebooks released

 

Hoping to see a GS70 Stealth Pro review soon as that may be my next laptop.

 

I am looking for something a little more portable. I would go with the Lenovo y50, but given the security concerns associated with the brand I am going to pass. Right now the gigabyte p34g v2 looks like my best option (provided it is Maxwell).

I will probably wait to see if Acer,Asus,Dell,HP,Toshiba, or Samsung announce anything similar with a maxwell 860m by June before buying though.

Edit:
I was avoiding the Lenovo as there have been rumors of hardware-level security issues, but it appears they may have been false.


Report of issues:
Spy agencies ban Lenovo PCs on security concerns

Lenovo refuting claim:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...HQ5ldK5XlFPwPpG-05jCoXw&bvm=bv.63934634,d.cWc

Australia Department Of Defence Claiming the Report Was Factually Incorrect:
Defence News and Media » Media articles in The Australian Financial Review, 27 and 29 July 2013

CIO Article regarding the FUD
False Lenovo Security Report Only Strengthens World's Top PC Maker - CIO.com
IT Business Edge Article regarding the FUD
FUD Attack Against Lenovo May Actually Showcase Security Advantage

 

Wow... not only is it Kepler, it's about as upgradeable as a Razer... Fail.

 

This is the way things are headed, unfortunately. Manufactuers are looking to kill upgrade paths since it essentially allows enthusiasts to avoid paying for an entire new system every 6-8 months. Asus started it with their G-series, then Razer now MSI is doing it on some models; Clevo does it by not accomodating new GPUs in their bioses. I'm going to make a gross prediction that within the next two generations of CPUs there will only be 2-3 models that are upgradeable left.

This with AW's (and soon other company's) bios restrictions means to me that we are reaching the end of days of what will someday be looked upon as a golden age for laptop enthusiasts.

 

Limitations like that are inevitable with current technology when you make a laptop that thin. You want the keyboard to stay cool so it needs maximum separation from the CPU/GPU. If you put the CPU/GPU cooling system on the bottom of the mainboard, that means heat that rises up through the top of the board reaches the keyboard. So your only choice is to put the CPU/GPU on top of the board, with the cooling system on top of that ("insulating" the keyboard from heat).

But that means your space for mounting other components on the board (memory, SSDs) is also on top, limiting access from the bottom. That's the case with the GS60 Ghost. A thicker laptop doesn't have this problem because there's enough space to mount those components on the bottom of the board (i.e. on the opposite side of the CPU/GPU).

One option is to split the board into two, with the CPU and GPU on one half facing up, the memory and SSDs on the other half facing down, and a flexible cable connecting the two halves. While technically feasible, do you really want the laptop's RAM and SSD data transfers to the CPU going through a flex cable? (Sony did this for the SSD in my current laptop - a Z1. It uses a proprietary plug on both ends with a flex cable connecting the SSD to the mainboard. The SSD actually mounts to the laptop frame, instead of to the mainboard. The downside being it's completely proprietary.)

The only other solution I've seen is to design the keyboard to flip up and lift out, giving you access to the memory and SSD from the top. That is, you upgrade these components from the top, not the bottom. This was possible with old-style keyboards which were separate and self-contained. But it's impossible with newer chiclet-style keyboards because the bezel surrounding the keys is actually the top of the laptop's external frame.

(Another possible solution is to tilt the board, so the CPU and GPU are on the top half, and the memory and SSDs on the bottom half, while taking up less overall volume. But most components have a rectangular profile, so this generally leads to wasting more space than it saves.)

Frankly, it appears MSI bent over backwards to make this upgradeable. It looks like it uses two standard SO-DIMM slots for memory and M.2 slots for the SSDs. Be thankful you even have the option to upgrade. Most manufacturers of thin laptops simply solder these on to save space. Go look at iFixit's teardown of the 15" Retina Macbook Pros if you really want to be horrified by non-upgradeability.

BTW, if you stick two PCIe SSDs in the M.2 slots instead of SATA SSDs, this thing should be able to hit 2 GB/s in RAID-0 mode.

 

is the Kepler version really a dealbreaker? I love the design and weight. The temperatures look great. The battery life should be good.

 

If it's 3-4 hours idle battery on light web work that is pretty average. Also Maxwell should make a big difference in power when using the GPU. For me I think it is, but I will wait for more reviews.