GT72/GT72S and GT80/GT80S Owners GPU Upgrade Discussion

Nov 1 has nothing on the MSI Gaming Calendar:
https://gaming.msi.com/calendar

So what's up with November 1 that you think is significant?

National Deep Fried Clams Day?

 

@Kevin --classic

oct 30 announcement might actually cause some surprised owners to skip Halloween trick or treating, and instead spend the night looking on the internet for the form to fill out....


hey is this offer limited to 1 entry per customer or does this work like old people's raffles?

 

Hint: It's the day after the sign up deadline passes for owners in the US.

 

I'll say again I will take the trade in GT83VR. I think that's the best we are going to get and I'm willing to give up the next upgrade but straight like for like trade. If I have to give money its not worth it, then I'm down for the class action thing. I paid for an upgrade-able GPU for 2 generations we will be saving them going through this all over again in about a year when nVidia comes out with another GPU. upgrading my current laptop is not going to work for me after they said the thing about heat and power issues. That's why the GT83VR has 3 fans now, at the very least we run the risk of overworking the current fans and having them fail later down the road same with the modifying the card and heat sink. designing after the fact and trying to reverse engineer never works MSI should know that. New laptop and I'll give you back the old one please.

 

That's not new, we are all waiting for MSI to give us the trade-in details, how is this new?

 

I would have thought everyone here was watching the GT83VR and GT73VR threads for news on our potential new laptops.

I know this is only one sample unit, but it's not looking too good for the GT83VR's cooling...

The GT83VR is running *hot*, just like all the other 1080 GPU laptops - like hoving around 90c GPU / CPU on extended load.

Check out this review where the GT83VR 1080 SLI CPU and GPU got to 91c/86c/90c during a short benchmark:



Here is a GT73VR single 1080 GPU review for comparison.

 

People keep saying that MSI won't give trades and will make us pay some money. well... I aint giving them no money! if I do, then I want my second upgrade as promised.

 

Nm

 

Dillgaff, did you enjoy that suspension for talking about some crazed fantasy of yours?

I bet your the type of guy who enjoys giving corrupt companies all your money and blindly enjoys feeding them so they can continue being corrupt.

They simply promised a drop in upgrade able laptop and they have not fulfilled their promise. The laptop that is supposed to be upgrade able is apparently not. It's like if you bought a modular phone that was promised that you will be upgrade the processor, but whoops the new processor requires a whole new phone and you bought it through a company like Amazon like an Amazon Modular Phone. You would probably get a brand new latest phone for free from Amazon.

IN the end, MSI screwed up, we deserve compensation for the faulty product they sent us. At this point, I would not (any many other People) would accept anything less than the new generation of laptop for free. They promised us an upgrade able laptop, it turns out it was not, they owe us the upgrade simple as that.

 

XD best post ever

 

I puzzled by this attitude. Why would think that MSI should give you something without you giving them money? If you were able to do the MXM upgrade you would have to pay for that.

Don't expect free things anyone. Pay for your upgrade as you would if it were just buying and fitting the new card.

And I recall the 2 generations thing being mentioned historically but can't find anything solid to back it up. Does anyone have anything that has MSI stating that they will offer two generations of MXM upgrades from Maxwell?

 

WOW I watched the GT83VR video I guarantee that they have a solution for the 2 power supplies in the coming next model and thinner too with the new intel CPU that I heard is coming. If I was looking for a new laptop I wouldn't buy this. Sales for this will be low...it,s too big!! not portable at all not to mention no backpack LOL. Guys I think we have been tricked they are going to give us this monstrosity for the upgrade HAHAha .

 

UK Update (well kind of....)

Bold text are Loki's answers.

No real answers, but nice that contact is being maintained. 2-3 weeks before solid offers being made.

 

Tried to PM you but it's failing. Not sure if it's the forum or Tapatalk.

 

There's a new Acer desktop with a dual powerbrick thingy that doesn't totally suck.



Something like that would be nice... could 3d print something I bet... If you know anyone with a 3d printer...

 

Hello,
I am sorry, how am I supposed to pay for the upgrade is my laptop is not drop in upgrade able? Our products are defective, they are not upgrade able for the next two generations as marketed by MSI. We deserve free GT83VR's for an upgrade and compensation. Stop trying to defend MSI. They probably had multiple think tank sessions of the best marketeers they have thinking about this marketing tactic and it worked. They grossed sales from me and thousands of other people who were trying to decide which laptop company to buy from. They need to be a good company stand up to their word and do the right thing or they can eat a juicy Class Action Lawsuit from me and thousands of other owners.

Amazon, one of the most brilliant companies for customer service they have a golden standard when it comes to customers. The customer always comes first.

(True Story)
I once bought a product, a survival bracelet the cord was advertised to be over 20 feet long. When I needed the cord to rig something up, the bracelet turned out to be only 5 feet! (The vendor was not apart of amazon) so I called Amazon, they gave me a full refund and an account credit to buy 20 an amazon retailer brand name Paracord Bracelet, and they also called the vendor to fix their product description.

 

How do you think a class action would go in this circumstance, MSI offer to provide you with a new laptop containing the upgrade you wanted for a cost you are willing to pay for a drop in card. Do you see a chance of success? If you do, good luck and enjoy the nominal compensation you'll get, while I'm smashing out games on a new laptop/upgraded laptop that I was happy to pay for an upgrade (the mxm) originally.

To be clear: if MSI give me what I want at a price I was willing to pay why would I have a problem?


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Lawsuit, social media, angry vendors (who would buy their old inventory when no one wants it?), Media outlets, and overall bad PR. I don't think they want that. They must figure out how to get Pascal working in our laptops. If not, they will have to upgrade US (yes, us ).

I googled a bit and saw that they were sued for fraud before for faulty motherboards. Anyone know how that turned out?

 

The Class Action would go something like this.

Customers V. MSI

Customer statements: MSI provided us with non upgrade able laptops, even though marketing said that laptop customers would be able to buy a drop in parts kit for the next two generations of their laptops. MSI however provided us with no option to do so and therefore left us with non upgrade able laptops.

Defendant Statement (Under Oath): The laptops were physically impossible to upgrade and to try to prevent this from coming back to us, we deleted several pages discussing the drop in upgrade ability of these laptops for the next to generations.

Judge: Provide them with Laptop Upgrades for the next two generations, if the current laptops they have are not upgrade able you have deceived your customers violating multiple US statues . There fore you must provide them with laptop upgrades for 2 generations and or giving them a FULL refund at FULL original retail value of their laptops.

 

I'd be totally ok with a full refund. Don't really want to deal with this headache again to be honest.

 

The 980 SLI was the exact same machine. MSI even used the same EC firmware which is likely why the 980s got throttled to 980M stock power draw at low battery.

 

Same here. Wish I could get a refund and go with an Asus GX800 or wait for the Acer X21. Those are not upgradeable, but I'm not making my decision based off that for those specific notebooks. I would never have bought this MSI if it wasn't upgradeable; many better options out there in the world on un-upgradeable gaming laptops. Don't get me wrong, the titan is an AMAZING notebook, I just loved the fact that they advertised upgradeable MXM cards most about it.

 

I concur....

 

That's exactly what I was thinking. Up until now I figured that carrying a boat anchor in my backpack was OK because it's upgradable, so that was a trade off. Now I just feel silly lugging it around with no real benefit.

 

Yeah I feel you both. If I could get my 5 Grand back I would go with a sleek air tight beautiful box like the Asus ROG or something. The only reason I got this MSI was the feature of upgrades. I have a feeling though my 5 Grand went to go pay for the MSI USA's new luxury private jet or something... They better give us our 2 laptop generation upgrades hassle free or a FULL yes a FULL retail value refund of our laptops with NO depreciation. I would like my 5 Grand and spend it on an Asus.

If I got my 5 Grand Back I would spend it on a Eurocom no doubt.

http://www.eurocom.com/ec/configure(2,385,0)ec

For 4500 I could get a DESKTOP Processor with Dual 1080s 120HZ Screen with Nvidia Sync and have a decent 16 gigs of ram. And I could also get Windows 7 With it too.

 

Thanks, I checked the measurements. I thought MSI increased the cooling capacity in the GT80S 980 SLI and put a larger bottom on it as well. Fixed my post.

The GT83VR physical enlargement didn't do a very good job of improving the cooling, at least not enough for the 1080 SLI.

The upgraded components, including the larger bottom and new cooling elements and a 1070 should retrofit to the GT80S series then, both 980m and 980 SLI.

The 1070 is fast enough to satisfy most people, but probably not all.

There isn't that much performance improvement between the 1070 and 1080 to warrent trying to make the 1080 fit by reducing power/thermals, it would only turn into a 1070

 

If you want to deal with the nonsense that is "battery boost," sure. Personally, I've had more than enough of that garbage.

 

Are you saying you think the GT83VR will have the same power problem with 460w/660w? Or, that a retrofitted GT80S with 460w/660w and modified EC/firmware will?

 

No, I'm saying if you retrofit the 1070. I don't believe it's an option to allow double PSUs for the regulatory reasons I outlined in the other thread. I'm actually glad that MSI is holding back on that option and providing a trade-in because it means they're taking the criticism about that very seriously, since the 1070 has very similar power requirements and I believe the exact same form factor as the GT80S 980 card.

 

IDK, plenty of GT80 owners have pumped through > 330, upwards of 500+ watts through dual 330w psu's before the EC got locked down in the GT80S.

I bet MSI could make it work, and get the upgrade certified as an upgrade for those GT80/GT80S models.

 

If they are going to do a trade in of any kind it should compensate the customer entirely not just another profit gimmick to rack up more money to buy Keurig Cup Machines for every 2 customer service representatives. The only trade in I would accept personally is, I give them laptop, they send me check for 5 Grand, and in the worst case I would begrudgingly accept a GT83VR. I am really sick and tired of dealing with MSI, I wish I could just CTRL+Z this laptop, my money and went with a different manufacturer.

 

I've had a really bad experience trying to work with them about the GT80S EC firmware myself, so believe me when I say I know where you're coming from. That said, I think that if appropriately priced, a trade-in is the best possible solution for us. The cost for getting a GT83VR should be the cost that it would have been to upgrade to your choice of 1070/1080, and not a penny more.

Like I said before, I also managed to get it to draw more power after it maxed out the battery, but I have doubts that it can officially be done. I'm not familiar with the specifics, but I imagine there's a ton of red tape to certify a device.

 

Well, I can respect where you stand. I personally think they owe us a Free Upgrade as compensation due to the Falsely Advertised Drop In Upgrade Ability for 2 Generations of Graphics Card for the GT80, this in accordance could also work as a settlement for them forgoing any bad PR or criminal charges being brought against them for False Advertising. I also see in that solution a chance to redeem themselves showing that they put customers first and that they do care about us.

 

I'm not so sure I want a GT83VR, giving it's inability to cool down the 1080's, and the huge fans.

I think a 1070 SLI GT73VR would be better.

Best would be a 1070 SLI upgrade kit in the GT80 SLI-263.

 

But you can have 1070 SLI in the GT83VR too? Doesn't it have strictly superior cooling compared to the GT80?

 

I Concur.....

 

It's not demonstrating that so far... the GT80/GT80S flat cooling components are proven effective, the 980m SLI and CPU staying in the mid to low 70c .and mid to low 80c range during much of my gaming, but I limit FPS to 100 to match screen refresh.

I'm not convinced MSI's 2nd generation cooling design is better, or even adequate. Sometimes you get it right the first time, and the 2nd design isn't an improvement, it's more of a learning ground to try out new approaches, and sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't.

The GT73VR cooling seems good, it kept the single 1080 and CPU cool as expected.

 

Isn't it literally exactly the same, plus an extra fan and set of fins for the CPU? In any case, the only unit I've seen tested is the 1080 SLI, and those cards are thermal monsters compared to the 1070.

 

Most GentechPC Videos have a tear down of the internals at the end of the video review, you can see the new GT83VR cooling.

Watch GentechPC's GT80 review / tear down for comparison.

The GT73VR video also has tear down at the end.

I would wait until we get reviews and measurements for both the GT83VR 1070 SLI and GT73VR 1070 SLI, it's all a guess until we get real results from hands on from customers.

The single 1080 GT73VR has the advantage of running off of a single 330w power brick...that's very attractive as well.

 

Even if MSI trades my GT80S for a GT83VR I won't be totally happy because the GT83 is significantly bigger and with 2 power bricks that will make it much more difficult to move, carry and setup. Did you see the video, did you see the video, can you imagine doing that every time you go to LAN parties or even move from one room to the next? MSI will not be doing me a favor "trading in". I'm just saying...

 

Yeah... At this point I would love my 5 Grand Back, but that probably wont happen...

To carry around a GT83VR, they need this sticker to satisfy US Health Code

I will be happy with the GT83VR though since it is on my desk most of the day and I probably could just resell it to buy a Eurocom/Clevo/Sager

 

It's a little bit thicker IIRC, but you'd need 2 PSUs regardless if you got 1080 SLIs. And yes, I've been using two PSUs with both my P870DM and P870DM3, and it's really not that bad. You can also likely just use one PSU if you disable one of the 1080s while you're out and about.

 

I apologize is this may seem to go off topic, what do you think about the Clevo with Desktop CPU and SLI 1080s and how does it compare to a MSI GT83VR

 

In a raw performance sense such as benchmarking, the gt83 will be less powerful as it has a weaker cpu. Gaming-wise the difference should probably be negligible.

 

Still a bit too early to say. I'll know better once I get a proper CLU application on the GPUs. Right now, I'm using Kryonaut and GPU temps are still hitting 90+C when both hit 180W for extended periods. Since Pascal performance is directly correlated with cooling capacity, it'll all come down to which model has a better cooling solution. I obviously can't compare it to a GT83VR's thermals and performance because I don't own one, but I did like the GT80S form factor and keyboard very much. Clevo keyboards are absolute trash for typing. Seriously, it ghosts on two presses. U and T. I also miss OCing my LCD to 110Hz since I opted for the 4K screen, but it's a gorgeous screen with fantastic color reproduction. CPU cooling is more than adequate for me with a delid and CLU.

 

"I will be happy with the GT83VR though since it is on my desk most of the day and I probably could just resell it to buy a Eurocom/Clevo/Sager"



Forget that when my friends saw the GT80S me bringing just the 1 brick I got a few guys saying DAMN! and a few giggles.I know with the GT83 they are going to laugh out loud.

 

So, which MSI model are you upgrading? A GT72 or a GT80?

 

Jeez all these new laptops coming out right now. Alienware just showed off the new Alienware 15 and 17. I want my money back hell I'll take 75 percent of what I paid back

 

I've got a GT80S I'm looking to upgrade if the price is right, as it'll be a good deal easier to sell since it'll be a new model, in brand-new condition, and won't be plagued with the firmware issues of the GT80 series (hopefully). Otherwise, I'll just sell it as is.

 

GT83VR with GTX1070 that's what I want nothing more a straight trade from my 970 to a 1070. plus I hear it will run cooler so win win