GT72/GT72S and GT80/GT80S Owners GPU Upgrade Discussion

Yeah... I get you... Honestly at this point, I would take a %90 refund from 4999 and be ok then spend my money more wisely following your advice...

Not sure if on Ebay anyone would pay 4500 for it especially after this upgrade fiasco

 

you are looking at more around 3000 for that laptop. I'm having a ton of trouble selling mine for 3200 right now.

 

Why don't we watch and see what MSI does, rather than working up "what if" dastardly plans for them to implement.

 

Ouch. That's a big hit.

 

Hey just wondering normally how long do they reply for the trade in program? I downloaded the pdf, edited it, saved and sent it through gmail to [email protected] but there is no response, been almost a week now. Thanks

 

Same here. Any updates from MSI for anyone looking to do the MXM Gpu upgrade to the Pascal GTX 1080 series?

 

MSI US have not been acknowledging the receipt of upgrade email . MSI UK acknowledge receipt of email requesting info on upgrade and advise we have to wait another 3-4 weeks.

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Neither 2500 here, mate. Paid 5k seven months ago. Bigger and faster cash loss of my life. Never again. Even if they torture me.

 

Same here. This was the worst investment of my life; coming from a guy that has been building gaming PCs since I was 9 (I'm 30). And from a guy who needs the latest muscle cars every year. This ranks the top spot lol. The good news is that 980 sli will game for a very long time, with or without the upgrade or trade in. So I would keep and not sell for less than 3000.

 

If they give us our money back just get a 17" ROG and buy new every year or year and a half. trying to stay high end with laptops is getting to be too much for me. I'll build a desktop that I can upgrade. And take the hit in speed on the laptop, really I'm disheartened with this whole thing. I should have known upgrade able laptops was too good to be true

 

Yeah. They should seriously along side this trade in program offer full value retail refunds...

 

Um, I hope you guys realize that even if you guys were able to upgrade you GPUs, pair of 1080s would cost at least $2600 at very minimum.

 

I am close with these feelings, guys, very close. I unfortunately have always been compelled, in the last 10 years, to use gaming notebooks because of my work ... but after this gigantic rip-off I'm seriously thinking about giving up my passion (gaming, as I said) for when I travel ... and build up a desktop to use, unfortunately, only when im at home. Currently the only advantages of having an high-end gaming notebook seem to be the lack of cables anywhere and the design look... honestly too little for 5k euro.
And at least you are Americans ... what should we say we Europeans.

 

That's true but doesn't account for the sale of the 2 existing GPUs = $1-2,000.


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I doubt you could get that much if Pascal mxms were drop in replacement for existing Maxwell mxms. It would drop well below 1070 mxm price.

 

That much? $500 dollars per card as a minimum. Easy.

And the lack of drop in mxm replacement increases the
Market value of the 9 series.


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And, then selling the 980m's for $500+ would have reduced that upgrade cost to $1300, which would be just fine.

I assume MSI would value your trade-in GPU's as if you could sell them and recoup costs, and moderate the upgrade / trade-in price accordingly.

 

Yes, lack fo drop in mxm replacement increases the market value of the 9 series. But I said "IF" MSI provided Pascal upgrade, resale value of 9 series would drop down quite a bit. Because demand just wouldn't be there which will drive down the price.

That would be a best case scenario. But it sounds very unlikely. Best hope is you could get a trade value that is close to the actual resale value of those laptops.

 

Given a more realistic upgrade - as 1080's aren't going to fit in a laptop that previously had 2 x 980m's - the 1080's draw too much power and run too hot.

Realistically upgrading from 2 x 980m's would be 2 x 1070's, which will cost much less.

The cost of the 1070 MXM GPU would be more like $900 (or less), which is 2 x $900 = $1800. Subtract the $1000 you get from selling the 2 x 980m's, and the differential cost is $800.

$800 cost to upgrade from 980m SLI to 1070 SLI, and the ability to do that upgrade any time within 2 years, with an option to wait for the Volta GPU's before upgrading.

That's what GT80 980m SLI owners are giving up.

 

what's the selling price for my 980s? I cant even sell my laptop for 3000, so I have no clue as to how ill get a decent price just for the 980s themselves. lol

 

I knew someone would ask that

I haven't been paying attention recently, but $1200 was what was tossed around when the Clevo guys were hunting down upgrades for their laptops.

The MSI MXM's draw less power than the 200w/180w Clevo MXM GPU's, more like 165w (135w?), and are usable for retrofit upgrades in Clevo laptops.

But, I wouldn't part out a fully working laptop.

If you want to sell your laptop for the cost of the GPU's, for someone else to use intact, price it at $2600.

 

its currently for sale on NBR for 3100 shipped, I cant go lower than that. After shiiping and insurance I'm looking at 3000-ish in my pocket. I think that's an amazing deal for the specs. I would sell this even if the trade in program was good. I don't want/like the GT83 or 73 anyways.

 

I understand, it's a tough go for the GT80S 980 SLI users, they already took the hit for only having 1 x 330w power available when even in that laptop 2 x 330w would have made it sing.

The first GT83VR 1080 SLI reviewed is running hot, but then so are all the Clevo P870DM3 1080 SLI owners reporting real use.

It's a real jump in power use and thermals in 1080 SLI laptops. 2 x 330w PSU's, huge fans - with noise included free, and still running around 90c GPU's / CPU with auto-fan control.

Pretty cool stuff, or pretty scary stuff, depending on your POV, exciting and exhilarating either way.

 

The 980s are basically void of resale value.

 

as far as selling cards , its tougher than it seems..980 is pretty much impossible to resell as @Kevin noted...

980m's maybe a much easier sell, since it is easier to make them work than the 980's from technical perspective....

in theory the msi 980m's from your gt72, could be sold including your existing cooling solution to another msi user who owns an older msi gt72 with 880m.. (there was no gt80 during 800m series gpu, so if you have gt80 with 980m, i am not sure who could use them with your heatisnk)....gt72 to gt72 would be the most straight forward path...but msi already offered/offers the 980m for long time (2 years) so market for msi 980 m's is not so hot....those same msi users can take advantage of the tarde-in program just like we are...clevo users would possibly need to flash bios on card and cooling solution may not work, so i have doubts about clevo users wanting to pay market price for msi 980m card.

selling 980 is difficult since any laptop user who has a laptop without 330 power brick, and older motherboard, cant effectively use the 980 card to max potential in their system/board....might not work at all, and might fry their mobo which is designed for less power...clevo usersr, in addition to power concerns would also potentially need to flash bioses from msi vid card bios to clevo vid card bios..final problem would be to get around cooling solution requirements, via dremel or welding as needed.......so clevo users would unlikely buy anything made for msi..


last time i have heard of something like this, was a user going from a clevo geforce card to put it into his msi...and he needed to dremel and cut his heatisnk to make it work, and flash his card bios.....to make an msi card work in a clevo you would probably need to do something similar....so i am not sure if you will find anyone willing to pay 500-1000 dollars for a product which may not work for them which has no warranty..

the formula here is the machines/vid cards tend to fall in price by 1/2 (one half) with release of every new generation...so machine which sold for 5k last summer is worth about 2500 this summer. machine which cost 5k 2 years ago is really worth about 1250 today..tats assuming the product is "desirable"..if the product is not desired you would have to drop the price to make it sell...

 

Yeah...
Thats why along side the Trade in Program MSI should ATLEAST take the Notebook back at Full Retail Value, eating the upgrade ability premium cost and taking it back for some of the users ONLY buying the MSI for the marketed upgrade ability.

 

I'd also be shocked if someone could still sell their 980M for $500. It's suddenly a buyers market.

There's no way there's a substantial market for 900M cards.

 

we got screwed the same way titan x and 980 ti owners did lol. 980ti went from a ~ 500-600 dollar card used to worth only about 200 after pascal. Titan X was even worse with a 399 dollar 1070 beating it lol. Only difference? They can upgrade with a much smaller loss.

 

On that topic... Titan Z's were worth 2k when they came out and they are still worth 2k... XD

 

only because of the compute performance for professional use. Titan X was really just made for gaming ( no matter what NVidia tries to market it as). Anything made for gaming becomes obsolete fast

 

There hasn't been a big availability for 980 MXM cards, a market hasn't developed. But, there were a lot people looking for them, with none to be had because they only were sold with a laptop wrapped around them.

As the 980 MXM's become available on the market there will be plenty that will try to retrofit them, adding power to their laptops, and then everyone else will want one.

Given Pascal GPU's aren't backward compatible, there isn't any other upgrade game in town.

With those 980 MXM's new on the market and the 980m MXM's that are still in demand, their prices will likely go up, not down.

 

You are rushing the sale, give it time. People need time to think about these things before buying. Unless they were already in the market for it, and have cash on hand, it's something that happens over more than the few days you have given it.

When I sell high end laptops it takes weeks or months more often than it takes days or weeks. But, I always eventually sell it because there are people looking for them, they just need to find me and my ad up when they are looking.

It's not like you post it, and then everyone in the world see's it instantly.

You are trying to sell at the worst possible time.

You have a previous generation flagship for sale when the next generation flagships have just been announced, and are starting to release, everyone is watching that show - they aren't looking for a previous generation laptop.

You are going to have to price it at 1/2 what you paid for it to start getting offers. There were a couple of P870DM's that went for about that recently.

If you had listed it a month or two ago you might have sold it for more, but now it's going to have to entice both on it's power and coolness, and it's bargain price.

At this point if you aren't getting any bites, I'd keep it listed with the price at $2999, and wait to see what MSI offers.

 

Will do. Worst case it doesn't sell and the trade in sucks; ill live with this laptop till the x21. 980 sli titan is an amazing beast, not like ill suffer with it lol

 

That's correct unless you get the gaming manufacturer programmers to program games for your system like Sony and Xbox your hardware becomes obsolete pretty quickly. I knew that was going to happen with the Titan X and all the other gaming platforms that use PC based software. they should throw there systems in the trash useless now for keeping up or find some way to give slower systems an advantage. Honestly people are going to get tired of this and stop buying, it's unfair that the person with the best most expensive system is the best player and wins. Not so with Xbox and Sony. I know having a SLI system gives me an advantage because I'm new to PC gaming and I do pretty good when I should be getting destroyed till I overcome the learning curve.

 

Personally I think that trade in program will look like this: you send in your gt72/gt80, you get gt72vr/gt83vr.

Will it be free? No. It won't matter if you have 965m, 970m, 980m the price will be same for upgrade. I don't think that if you sent your gt72 with 880m to upgrade to Maxwell GPU, you received upgraded laptop and old GPU or got discounted by the price of 880m was worth. Same might happen now, except we will get new laptop.

What about price? I don't think it can be higher than MXM card cost itself. Why? Simply because it is upgrade and we are not purchasing new laptop. We are upgrading it. Yes it will be a big loss for MSI because they will need to "give away" full laptop for free except GPU for which we will have to pay. The price might be even lower than MXM costs itself because for all the inconvenience MSI made (resetup settings, redownload and reinstall old programs/games, Windows 10 (for some people)). And this can be a hassle for some people when you need to redownload 60GB game with internet speed of 500kB/s.

If the trade in program will sound like this: you send your gt72/gt80 we give you a discount like x% of new gt72vr/gt83vr system (where you need to pay more than the upgrade of GPU's would cost), then it is not upgrade anymore. It's a purchase of brand new system, which you did not expect to buy because of promised MXM upgrade.

 

well then how about this:

Give me the GT83VR for free with 980 sli ( my current gpu's). Then I can upgrade later to the 1080s when the time is right for the price. It will basically be what I currently own, but a free upgrade to the gt83 platform with upgradeability to pascal.

 

I think you may be on to something the motherboard, cooling solution and power supply is the key so he is right give me the GT83VR "bare bones" style with a GTX9xx GPU or whatever I had in my system then we are upgradable. Problem solved and no one has to get or give away a free GPU. Then if you want you can opt up to the GTX10xx if you want or upgrade later as part of the exchange program from MSI

 

yep. Basically transfer all our parts to the GT83 chassis. Still a pain to have to ship it in, I wouldn't be happy with this; but it may be the best option if they are going to charge us an arm and a leg to upgrade.

 

Then they could sell parts kits for the 1080's via (Online Retailer) or Amazon Even and release a good video on how to install it your self.

^^ Yeah that is still true, IMO they should just either compensate us by sending us a GT83VR (the next generation laptop upgrade) for all their lies complications, shipping etc or give us an option to get a full retail value refund.

 

Hahaha the funny thing is we are giving them the solution to what they screwed up on and they will probably take the credit. Honestly I wouldn't even care about the GTX11xx comming out or not, that one will take more power than the 10xx and upgrading the second gen will probably not be possible but realistically I'd be ok with that if it was an even trade in. at least I'll know in advance and they tell me. OH AND I WANT A FRACKING APOLOGY!!!

 

This.

And a reasonable solution.




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I am still waiting on a reply from msi UK via that email address to my questions. It's looking more and more like a PR stunt to make it look like they care.

 

MSI UK have already said it will 2-4 weeks until a firm decision is made regarding the upgrade.

Loki, UK rep is usually quick at replying to email.


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I haven't had a reply from loki since I sent the email. Will see what happens this week, but not holding my breath in a reply.

 

Let's try and be reasonable, Loki will not be making the decision on the solution. I think the decision will come from the head of EMEA or head office.

I know we are all eager to know the offer, but we have a time frame to work with, and MSI have to make an offer that won't result in a court case/loss of customers/loss of market share/loss of market value/disgruntled share holders.

 

I agree with you. Only thing is MSI shareholders only care about profits and they will probably sell after this anyway... This is a pretty big mess up, a lot of them will probably lose confidence in MSI's ability to understand the laptop niche market. Thinking that customers would just buy another GT series laptop to keep up. After advertising it was upgradable.

 

I suspect that this won't really have too much effect on MSI. Even if they offer 1:1 GT72/80:GT73/83 for every claim made against the MXM issue it's not really going to touch them much. The market has been aware of this as long as we have:

Share price has climbed 3.2TWD in the last 5 days.

And this isn't really that big of a 'mess up' it only affects a small niche of it's notebook users, and notebooks is only a part of their portfolio.

I predict they'll weather the storm, the market will take little notice, they'll make an attractive offer to users that make the upgrade request. Everyone will be happy (except those bleating for free laptops and keeping the old ones).

 

I'm going to start looking into the laws for my state [NY] concerning false advertising & bait and switch tactics [...which would seem to cover requiring us to get new laptops] because I don't want a W10 laptop. I did not take the free W10 upgrade and I disabled updates for over a year to avoid it being put on my system ...I have a ton of posts on various forums attesting to my disdain for W10 and my steps taken to avoid it.

So unless MSI provides a 1070 for my GT72 with W8.1 or has laptops with 10x0 series GPUs running W7/8.1, I'm going to hit their wallet with either a free upgrade-trade to offset the OS downgrade or straight cash for failure to deliver on the original promise.


...all of that might sound like trying to strong arm a free 1070, but I'd gladly pay for a 1070 that could go into the laptop I'm typing this from. Anything other than making the 1070 available for 900 series GT72 owners, it makes no sense to pay for a trade in because it is really no deal whatsoever for GT72 owners. Why pay MSI if they can't provide GPUs for our original systems when you can get $300-$400 from them instead because they are just so completely in the wrong? GT72 owners can sell $1k for the 970m systems & ~$1300 for the 980m, so if they wanted to sell their system, that plus the other $300-$400 gets the 970m owners to a 1060 laptop and the 980m owners to a 1070 laptop for little to no cash out of pocket.

GT80 were way more expensive, so they stuck being upside-down either way

 

I'd love to be able to pay a little extra for a GT73 chassis.