GT72/GT72S and GT80/GT80S Owners GPU Upgrade Discussion

This upgrade program better be the freaking deal of two lifetimes, because I see very little reason to give out cash I'm pretty sure I don't have right now ...nor have later most likely, on top of giving the laptop I do have when it still does this stuff like this:

 

It's the "immutable" part that got ya, right?

It's rough going when running up against the walls of nature, they're made of stone.

Unless you are Paris Hilton...

"The Paris Principle is now threatening the universe; Paris Hilton cannot be contained by even the immutable laws of thermodynamics, and I've set it all in motion. "

The heat has to go somewhere, so stop generating heat, convert heat to useful work, or move it along elsewhere outside the system that is generating it.

And, yes, turning the heat into Steam to run a Calliope spinning atop the laptop would work.

You could condense water from the air, generate steam, and blow it out an exhaust vent stack over the laptop.

Your idea's aren't limited except by the... yeah, you got it

Spoiler: Extra Credit

Or, was it the "magical wiggle waggle" that tipped you off that I was having a giggle?

For me it was the "making things smaller will help with that by making more room for more effective cooling solutions".

That started me going, I'm still giggling

'cause ya gotta make'em bigger to give more surface area for the conduction of the heat to the surrounding air.

You can pack many plates of heat conduction to make the efficiency of the heat exchange(r) increase, but that is making the surface area larger too - not smaller where it counts.

Think of it as a really hot cookie.

Then you take the heat of the cookie and distribute it evenly over a pizza.

That cookie sized amount of heat wouldn't even start to melt the cheese, so it would be a cold pizza.

That's what we need, a giant laptop shaped like a pizza, generating the heat of a single cookie.

 

There are more and more examples of Pascal overheating laptops of all sizes, but I thought this review posted here was particularly helpful. He has gone through 2 GS63VR's, and come to the same conclusions:

"Got my replacement GS63VR in.. Same issue, I'm to expect all of these units have a high pitched CPU fan (right side looking at the unit)"

"Of course everything works fine at a cost of complete high pitched nonsense noise."

"I find this laptop to not be recommendable by anyone who's not okay with vacuum cleaner-like noise levels. The fans cannot be tuned to be quieter without hitting 90+C on cpu and gpu. "

"I am done with the GS63VR and I wish you all good luck, it's a good looking laptop and has amazing weight and size but it's pretty much garbage on the heat/noise levels in my books."

"It also spits out so much heat it makes the keyboard area uncomfortably hot and forget about putting your hands anywhere near the back sides of the laptop, it will fry you alive."

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ro-owners-lounge.795498/page-14#post-10338287

"This laptop is far too thin to be taken seriously and for the money spent on one. My final thoughts and update are above post #132. I absolutely under no circumstance would ever recommend this to anyone. It runs too hot and is far far far too loud. On to other laptops, good luck guys.

And if you're just seeing this, I've had two GS63VRs.. Both identically bad."

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ro-owners-lounge.795498/page-14#post-10338338

And, the GS73VR has the same fans as the GS63VR, giving the same symphony of fan music:

"I have both and they are both about the same. The fans are identical."

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ro-owners-lounge.795498/page-15#post-10338424

The Clevo P870DM3, the MSI GT83VR, the GS43VR, the GS63VR, the GS73VR, pushed to heavy sustained GPU use when gaming or even light benchmarking they all fold under the load of the Pascal GPU.

Here's the @GenTechPC review of the GT83VR, check out the temperature results for 3dmark Firestrike - for some reason the 3dmark11 results weren't shown...18:00 for the Fire Strike results + temps, go back to 16:28 to see the FLIR view of the heat put out by the laptop - remember this is a brief test. And, go back to 15:15 for fan noise during test run, and back to 8:21 for full 100% fan noise test. And, don't miss the complete tear-down of the laptop starting at 21:30.

 

I'm curious to see the new 21" Acer in Q1 2017 ... I think we will have a new leader of the gaming notebooks.
Acer, lol ... who would have thought.

 

I would liked to see the 1070 perform in the GT83VR. Should be cooler yes?

 

yes.... I heard about that monster! That may be my next years Christmas present! that 21 inch screen will make up for no upgrade for GPU
I should start saving now

 

@MSI Myco @MSI Natalie @MSIGeno

What I would like to see are the GT73VR / GT83VR trade-in configurations benchmarked with performance, temperature, and fan noise results comparisons.

The GT73VR single 1080 looks pretty good temperature and fan noise wise, from the single review we have seen.

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While the GT83VR 1080 SLI runs hot during even short benchmark runs.

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I would like to see the GT83VR 1070 SLI and GT73VR 1070 SLI tested similarly with performance, temperature, and fan noise results comparisons.

I would rather get the GT83VR 1080 SLI, but not with the current temperature and noise characteristics, at least as seen in that one available review.

The 1070 SLI in the GT83VR would be my 2nd choice, but I would like to see if the GT73VR 1070 SLI performance, temperature, and noise in comparison as the 120hz 5ms screen in that model is of more interest to me than the 1080p 60hz screen in the GT83VR.

Thank you!!

@GenTechPC - any plans for GT73VR 1070 SLI and GT83VR 1070 SLI reviews?

How do the rest of you GT80 owners feel about the GT83VR / GT73VR test results so far?

 

Great minds think alike, check out my just posted post

 

http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/acer-launch-predator-21x-swift-spin-laptops

you want to see here it is

 

The Acer 21x isn't actually running for review yet, probably not till Feb/Mar 2017 according to Acer's current talk.

 

Just a look that's all....I like the flip over num pad

 

That 21x is a pretty sweet design and I love the curved 21" display, but I still have concerns over that thing cracking in my backpack.

I hope MSI releases the details for the trade-in soon, so we can stop admiring laptops from other manufacturers... especially acer of all places. lol.

 

I don't know why, but I feel we will get new laptops trade, in our old ones. I also think MSI will take the hit in cost but we will have to pay them something. Not as much as we are hearing around $500 depending on the GPU we have will be more or less but I'm sticking with the 1070 to match my 970 wasn't the fastest but stayed cooler from what the comments I saw about the 980 and 980M. I didn't have heat issues but my bench marks were lower for performance.

 

for me is science fiction, but I also try to save money to see if I can too. My problem is that I do not know what to do with my GT80S, realizing that is not the notebook I had in mind and I wanted. I will never sell it to help me in the purchase of this amazing Acer.

 

That looks....AMAZING!

After this Fiasco and the Upgrade Premium out the door, this laptop is worth 1800 if you are lucky, becuase think about it really

980SLI= $800

BGA Soldered CPU= Nothing

16GB DDR4 2400= $80

Mechanical Keyboard = $80

Note Book Portability and Power= $840

The real Selling Forte of this laptop was Upgrade Ability ($3000 Plus!)

Without it I would have never bought it. MSI better give a darn good trade in.

 

its not worth only 1800 lol, ive had plenty of offers for high 2000's ( 2600-2800 ). I am confident ill sell mine for 3000.

 

if you got an offer of 2800, I'd take it to be honest... for 3k people can almost get a new gen laptop....

 

I'm selling my 970m for $1700 if that

 

When selling something unfortunately we cant rely on how much we paid and try to make our money back... we have to take into consideration that people will prefer to buy a newer generation item since they are shelling out good cash. Whoever sells one of these laptops must either sell it to somone not fully aware of the laptop scene or be ready for a hefty loss. Especially when talking about sums above 2000$. Like really who would give 2 grand for old hardware.. Im also speaking about myself, unfortunately we are all in the same boat.

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Well then you'd better take that offer, before the fool realizes an SLI 1070 gt83 is a way better deal. It's probably too late though.

You're dreaming if you expect $3k.

 

if that's the case then I'm going to rely on this trade in, I have no other choice. I have 0 confidence that MSI will cook up something amazing for us also. This all sucks, ill never invest in something like this again. Paid a nice premium to have drop in parts; was planning on keeping this thing for 3 years with upgrades.

 

i trade commodities to make a living. believe me when i say that any computer you buy is a bad investment (unless you are buying a value computer to support your education, in which case its simply an educational expense, like textbooks) . worst investments you can make in usa, are computer or buying a new car.
you want to make a good investment, buy some SPY calls instead. you'll then be able to take SOME of the profits in a few months and use them to buy that computer you wanted, and you will still have profits left over....

 

Ouch...

I was trying to sell my SLI 980m GT80 locally for $1500, and that's with 2TB of SSDs in the m.2 slots included and I got no takers. Lot's of sub $1k offers.

I think I'm going to have to go with whatever this trade-in program gives me.

 

It's hard for the GT80 980m SLI to compete now, so you need to price it accordingly.

The mechanical keyboard, 18.4" screen, and IO expansion are additional selling points.

I would sell the GT80 in stock condition, and keep the extras, the added memory, storage, power adapter, laptop bag, etc separate.

Sell them as add-on's if the buyer is interested, but don't give big discounts on them when negotiating the sale, they are valuable to other laptop owners too, so remember that you can keep them to sell to recoup the most $.

I have had buyers try to get me to drop the price so far I am giving away the extras, so I found it's easier to negotiate the stock laptop configuration price, and get that settled first.

When it comes down to the sale day, when they are paying you the agreed price for the stock laptop, remind them that you have other items as extras, show them the items and offer them at a fair price.

9 times out of 10 I have sold them the memory, disk, power adapter, carrying case, etc during that time.

Offer to help them install it, and run them through the laptop internals while doing it.

You might make a friend for a time while helping them transition to the new laptop

 

B grade GT80S now selling for £2k - https://www.overclockers.co.uk/b-gr...920hq-nvidia-gtx-980-sli-8gb-g-bg-523-ms.html

Wow, I feel for you guys.


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I assume "B" grade is "Used"?

2000GBP is about $2700 USD, so that's about right.

 

Take off 20% vat for the U.S. makes it ~$2,200. B grade can be anything from open box to returned unit. Limited seller warranty.


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Well then that's too low. Distressed or open box units of GT80's have gone for good discounts even during the peak sales times. So that's not a good indicator of value.

 

Fair enough. That store is one of the leading UK tech components/PC/notebook resellers.


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Amazon lists GT80S 980 SLI used prices starting at $2900
https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GT80S-Ti...473596597&sr=1-1&keywords=GT80S+TITAN+SLI-072

And, GT80S SLI 980m's used starting at $2350
https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GT80S-TI...473596597&sr=1-2&keywords=GT80S+TITAN+SLI-072

Those prices are getting to the core value of an 18.4" mechanical keyboard SLI laptop.

To get that experience in a new laptop, of those models or new Pascal models, would cost a lot more.

The GT80S 980m SLI or 980 SLI can still play any games and will be able to do that for a long time.

It's something to consider, the GT80's can all still provide awesome functionality for gaming.

 

Tbf, I considered purchasing the GT80s @ £2k it's a stomping machine.


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If it's open box here in the US you usually get the full warranty, 2 years + 3 months if you register right away.

Plus you are the registered owner, and can qualify for the trade-in program, and depending on the cost get a new GT83VR 1080 SLI out of the process.

Hopefully the UK MSI folks will follow through with an upgrade program as well

 

My laptop is selling on Amazon for $2499 open box used I'm guessing it was returned that's not bad maybe I can sell mine for $2000 stock I'll only loose ~$1000

 

Well I was able to get my replacement "side/downgrade" GL502VS without selling my Titan. Needed to get a smaller notebook ASAP, but now that I've done so I've got less pressure to get rid of this one. I relisted it on Craigslist (unfortunately have to do cash, so I had to stay local) for $1700 with all the upgrades I've done, I figure I've gotten a year and a half of good use out of it, I'm not too hurt about the hit.

I figure if it sells, cool, if not I can see if the upgrade program will let me get into a GT73VR with a difference.

 

WOW, were at 100 pages in this thread already, and it's amazing how so few, have written so much, LOL! More interesting, is how the opinion fluctuates amongst the participants.

This thread is representing the opinions of a relative few of GT72/GT80 consumers, and an interesting character study, when one examines the expectations herein. I have seen these expectations ranging from reasonable resolution, to the absolutely ridiculous. That said, the grievance is about the inability to upgrade to the NVidia 10 series MXM product, which cannot be done for technical reasons. This not only affects MSI, but other notebook manufacturers as well. The only difference here with other manufacturers, is MSI expressed an 'implied intent' toward future MXM upgradability of their GT72/GT80 series..... something clearly they would not have done, if the future of the technology were foreseen..... and a mistake it is doubtful they will repeat. If MSI is obligated to anything here, it would be the availability of those NVidia 10 series MXM upgrade kits..... which if available, GT72/GT80 consumers would have to purchase at a significant price tag. Problem is, it is the GT72/GT80 platforms themselves, that makes MXM upgrading an issue. If the manufacturer chooses to honor it's implied intent, all MSI need do is provide a basic GT73/GT83 barebones 'platform' to which MXM NVidia Series 10 upgradability now becomes an option. In doing so, they have then honored the implied intent suggested in marketing, and current GT72/GT80 owners will now be able to purchase MXM upgrade kits, if they choose to this path. As with the original MXM upgrade program, the upgrade path was recommended through authorized service centers, and I imagine the same would apply here.

It's clear reading these forum pages, some actually are interested in MXM upgrades, and some really want to take advantage of this situation. Most did NOT upgrade when MXM kit were available. One thing I do know is it will be impossible to make everyone happy, and regardless of the resolution, some will still be unreasonable. I would not expect folks thinking of purchasing used GT72/GT80 units now, will be honored in whatever resolution is to come. I would expect it will apply to original purchaser's only, and proof of purchase will most likely be required.

This said, why not a little consistency here, and what would you suggest is 'reasonable' or productive moving forward? Remember, the aim is about resolution, the focus is about MXM upgrade kits, and not about getting FREE stuff.

 

With open discussion, allowing all owners voices to be heard, with the goal of hearing out how this bothers them and what they want in compensation for their loss.

There is no particular consistency to be enforced, other than to respect each others comments - no shouting down or demeaning others expressed desires, and to be decent to each other - remembering that we all want to get along after this is resolved.

Many people still want the promised MXM Upgrade kits for their current laptops rather than a trade-in program, especially one of short duration, as the upgrade kits were expected to be available for years to come, and owners had the freedom to act when they desired rather than on an unexpectedly strict schedule.

Not everyone has the monetary freedom to act on short notice. And, we expected reasonably low priced Pascal MXM GPU upgrades, and to be able to sell our 980/980m MXM GPU's to recoup the costs of the upgrade, and to not pay for a whole new laptop.

MSI has been clear that the current full desktop GPU's aren't backwards compatible and can't be used to upgrade out laptops.

We don't know if the next generation GPU's will be compatible in our current laptops or in the GT83 / GT73. Compensation for the loss of the 2nd generation of GPU upgrades also needs to be addressed.

There have been several requests for MSI to design Pascal MXM upgrade kits and follow the original promise of 2 generations of GPU upgrades for the GT72/GT80 series, and not stop that promise abruptly and unexpectedly.

We are all waiting for the trade-in offer terms from MSI.

 

Reasonable: Provide replacement notebook with Pascal GPU at equivalent cost to MXM Pascal. Options in cost whether to go 1070 or 1080. MSI to swallow an aspect of the cost of the replacement notebook. Compensation for no volta upgrade in the way of a backpack/mouse/gaming surface/ toy dragon.

To summarise provide the equivalent of our GT72/GT80 with pascal at the cost of MXM Pascal less the value of selling our Maxwell cards.

 

That is all MSI LEGALLY has to do. Not should do-, and with a company that big,- it is definitely not all that they can do.

Legal Bare minimum:

To make our current laptops upgrade able, taking out all our current components and throwing it in with a GT83VR Mobo and chassis so they can SELL upgrade kits for us to purchase whenever we please.

Should do:

1. (Preferred) MSI should take our laptops back and give us a full value retail refund ($5k)
2. MSI should send us a compensation check for the laptops not being upgrade able. ($800-1.5k)
3. MSI should take back our old laptops and give us the next generation up no hidden fees or charges.

 

I'm intrigued which of your options do you think is reasonable?

 

Honestly at this point, #2 seems pretty reasonable, just give us back our money we paid for the upgradability premium.

I would still also be happy with the legal bare minimum, my original intent of this laptop. Buying upgrade kits for the future.

 

No one is suggesting consistency be enforced, but it could be helpful as these pages are being read, and reasonable productive suggestions may be helpful. As to Pascal upgrade availability, that is precisely what I was suggesting with a barebones GT73/GT83 platform offering. As to the future of MXM upgradability, I'd say the manufacturers (all manufacturer's are aware of this situation) are learning a hard lesson here, and unless they can receive assurances from NVidia, it would be a mistake on their part to continue this course. As to compensation, for what? Where is compensation warranted? The idea here is NVidia Series 10 MXM upgrades, correct? As to folks wanted upgrade kits for their current notebooks, doesn't look as though this is feasible, so this is kind of a moot point. As to monetary freedom on short notice, we'll have to wait and see if this is considered.

 

Ditto on the *Big* Toy Dragon as part of the compensation, I already have the Keychain Dragon

But, we need a bit more than that for the loss of upgrade-ability to Volta when it comes out.

 

I would do the barebones offer but MSI better move all my components into the other chassis, I dont want to void my warranty. Talking about that, they better transfer over our warranties.

 

MSI marketed that these models would have 2 generations of MXM upgrades. They are only solving the first generation issues at present. The end users should be compensated in exchange for an acknowledgement that Volta MXM will not fit existing models.

 

As for compensation if no volta I would take an additional PSU and splitter box thing
($250 value if even?) so I could run my 980's to their true performance level uncapped.

 

I don't need the disruption of time and effort to just get a new laptop frame.

I assume we would still need to send in our laptops to have our current GPU's and RAM / Storage swapped.

Which entails upgrading drivers for operation in the new laptops, many of us are on Windows 7/8.1, and if MSI isn't going to get our current configurations running - I don't want to send my data to be mucked around by MSI - that means we need to do it.

It takes a lot of time to accomplish such a migration, either by risking our current OS installs, or starting out again from scratch on another OS install.

And then we send in our new laptops again to have the Pascal GPU upgrades done. And, do this migration all over again.

Better to get it all done at once.

 

No, you choose your paid NV 10 GPU upgrade, your DDR, storage, and any other components would be swapped over, a fresh install of your OS..... and you receive a GT73/GT83 product in return. Simple, and all done at once..... no migrations, you would be responsible to back-up any existing files you want to keep.



@OnlySLI, that is certainly something I would think could be placed on the table.

 

That's doing the whole thing at once, upgrading to the Pascal GPU's and getting a new laptop frame, which is what MSI is already proposing as their Trade-in program.

And, that does include migration to a new OS for many of us (most?) from our current OS installs to Windows 10, which many of us don't want at all - we want to keep our current Windows 7/8.1 OS installs.

That begs the question, it seems what you are suggesting is that we keep get to keep our current laptops and GPU's as well, right?

That would help recoup the costs of the upgrade.

 

That would be reasonable.

Not sure DDR3 sodimm would fit DDR4 board? My 3 x SSD's installed, fresh win10 install. Done in a reasonable time frame.

Free dragon!!!

 

That would be nice, and of course.

MiSJAH I think I would want those gold looking keys for the mechanical keyboard as well.

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Well MSI is legally obligated to provide me with an upgrade able platform, if it just so happens that they are not willing to xfer my components to the upgrade able chassis, they still owe me an upgrade able platform or higher so if I end up getting a GT83VR Stock with 1080SLI lucky me and I aint complaining