GT72/GT72S and GT80/GT80S Owners GPU Upgrade Discussion

Can you private message me what happens? I would like to stay informed on this....

 

Or just post it in public. Let everyone know what's going on.


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Can't always check the forum....

 

just sent this to Michael...

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since i am going to be discussing a tier bump with msi, has anyone actually come up with any evidence of "2 generations of upgrades" promise coming from msi themselves? i looked thru the thread and we found clear evidence of msi promising an upgrade, but no evidence of msi promising 2 generations worth. if you have this data please share as i expect msi to reply to me sometime next week at which point i will either have to push for a deal or go with clevo.
thanks!

 

Please join the lawsuit, you have nothing to lose:

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Looks like we hit the 25 person mark for the class action in less than 24 hours of the announcement keep it up the more the better
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tada:

 

Thanks for trying Mason, but after reading all your attachments, i still dont see what i am looking for. there is no evidence here of msi themselves promising 2 generations of gpu upgrades.

1) most of the attachments have Journalists/pundits/entertainers claiming "msi is committing to upgrades for 2 generations".
2) the only attachments where an actual MSI Employee talks about an upgrade says nothing about 2 generations, and nothing about gpu specifically.

so we are same place we were 100 pages ago:
1)its clear msi promised an upgrade to Gt80/Gt72 900m/900 Series owners. this is clear as can be
2) there is no evidence of an msi employee promising 2 generations gpu upgrade to the public. ----------(there may have been promises given to journalists/punters/mavens behind the scenes, or maybe those journalists heard "we'd like to offer 2 generations" , but wrote "msi promises 2 generations". i doubt we will ever know, since those guys will say just about anything to get people to read their reviews. also remember that these manufacturers PAY the reviewers and reviewer sites [not directly but thru advertising on their stes, and thru giving them free review samples, and sometimes free trips to events, so most reviewers never produce a truly negative review for this reason....the review system has been rigged a long time now, just like news on cnn/nbc/etc).

unfortunately since i have to deal with msi for a trade in and not the pundits/journalists, i feel the folks on the other end of the phone/email @msi, dont really owe me anything more than 1 upgrade.

i respect your position and opinion and wish you luck in your guys lawsuit, but as i see it, 2 generations is not a valid gripe with msi ( it is a valid gripe with all the journalists/pundits, who said that msi is/was committed).

EDIT: also note how none of the review sites are willing to run the story on msi not providing upgrades. do you think this maybe related to reviewers writing promises to the public and now having to eat their own words?

 

I sent you an email, but i have not heard from you

 

looking back this is quite ironic
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2923779/how-to-upgrade-graphics-in-a-laptop.html

 

Only the anandtech site mentions the two gen upgrade as I remember. The two gens is more easily researched over a GT80 since it launched with 980m and was promised two gens. I mention this because GT72 was also promised two gens, but it launched with 800m series so it can be messier.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8818/msi-gt80-titan-full-specs-revealed

 

@mason2smart and @ryzeki i read thru them all:

1) "eurogamer 2015" ---- eurogamer says "msi promises" and in turn references Anandtech via that link..not msi..so they read Jarreds review at anandtech and wrote some words about what Jarred wrote (what a journalistic joke, they did not even confirm with msi themselves, and just referenced another reviewer)...
2) "anandtech on 2 generations""=--- this is what erogamer linked to from their review and the url is here: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-msi-gt80-titan-sli-review
while i have a ton respect for Jarred @anandtech (he was my favorite reviewer at At, but he since left AT and went to maximum pc), he is essentially saying that msi is making a public promise, but jarred is not providing any references to that promise to the public ( i am also not sure if by public he means journalists under NDA or actual end-users who buy from newegg/best buy/gentech/xotic) ........so . everything we have found from msi that was/is public ally posted provides evidence of a promised upgrade but nothing about 2 generations worth. so if anything it looks so far like Jarred may have made an error or over promised..if there was a promise made to him verbally or in writing, we dont know that based on whats written on the web and available to us- the public with no nda..... .seems like what he wrote is conjecture and not fact.... again, no disrespect to jarred, he is one of the best out there imho...
3) Chun on upgrades - there is nothing gpu specific here..if anything he is suggesting of finding some way to tempt users into upgrading the whole system every 2 years.

so i do appreciate the effort, and respect your opinion, but it looks like shoddy journalism and a potential journalist error are all that's documented here....onus is on the journalist to show evidence that msi promised THEM 2 generations worth of upgrades....so far it looks like the rigged review system caused reviewers to sucker you guys

again, i respect if you disagree, but for me to take the same side of the argument i want to see something in writing and none of this is "from the horse's mouth", its all conjectures by entertainers at this point

 

It is not a journalistic error per se. The whole situation was marketing. It was a promised made by MSI (I followed the development for the GT80 before it existed, and that's why I am one of the very first original owners). I "knew" about the 2 gen upgrades from the get go from what was said and what I read, but nothing was ever written in stone, nor did my machine came with an explicit paper saying I could upgrade etc.

It is not any different than marketing saying the GT80 only comes with "the most extreme of core i7 processors" and then you learn the CPUs are all limited, don't work as advertised and are not "extreme" at all.

I don't care about the whole "2 gen upgrades". I was merely pointing that it was said, and wasn't disproved, because at the time, only maxwell was in mind, full maxwell was a myth, and pascal was MIA.

Anyways, if it is useful for you guys, good, if not, discard it, I don't care about it. I haven't received the offer myself yet anyways, and for the price I am not sure if I want to upgrade yet. Also, the comment by MiSJAH about a possible 1070 module for GT72 might mean a module might come for older GT80, eventually.

I am considering changing machines anyways, and going single GPU. My GT80 is still a powerful force in gaming and works thanks to my tweaks, to its max potential.

 

I will send a mass invite when I get more people. I don't want to keep doing this for each person please be patient you will all be counted. This is happening fast. OnlyLSI can you help me out and create a gmail email and help add people to google groups?

 

@ryzeki well i do care about the 2 generations. if i had a link/email in writing from MSI i could potentially use it to gain leverage on MSI to get a better deal on an upgrade. so its literally worth money to me.

so if MSI promised 2 generations of gpu upgrades during laptop development, how did you know about it before the reviews were published? were you emailed by msi or did you speak with an msi rep in person? i understand if you are under nda and cannot provide the actual document/link/email, but i think its fair to at least state how you knew this if it was directly from msi or if you also heard this via "another reviewer/previewer" or some forum thread.

 

Wrote it as clear as I could. Just because I am a moderator in this forum does not mean I have any additional power over companies or knowledge about it. I am just another user and client like you. I am, by hobby, a computer enthusiast and have bought and use way more laptops since I was in high school, than the average user might use in their lifetime.

I was setting my eye originally on the GT72 for being a "fix" over the GT60. The GT72 started the whole upgrade thing. Back then, GT80 was merely a rumor, like "MSI working on a SLI machine" but nothing else. Then a rumor of a machine with mechanical keyboard. Later we saw leaked images of possible sketches and all.

If i remember correctly, it was supposed to come out in 2014 near the end of the year (GT80) but I was only able to get it until 2015. When it was still under NDA, all we knew is that it was going to pack SLI nvidia GPUs as well as "extreme" processors. We didn't even know that intel would give us the short end of the stick with soldered CPUs. Hell, the GT80 was even rumored to come with a secret 980mx GPU (as full maxwell as rumor back then).

And as I said, nothing is literally written in stone regarding this. I have no proof, nor did I think I needed to have it saved, back then.

 

@ryzeki, thanks for being clear and honest, its all i could ask for.

@infex that video also promises an upgrade in the future but nothing about 2 generations.... its great to have more evidence of a promised upgrade, butt since msi already provided us a means of getting 1 upgrade, we dont need any more evidence for that issue...

 

Someone attached to the lawsuit email Jarrod Walton. https://www.facebook.com/JarredWalton
He might be willing to help us if MSI provided him with some PR documentation.

If this was a marketing device, this information would have been sent out to the reseller channels.

 

great idea imho. +2 !

p.s. i dont fb actively so if jarred replies from there please repost or screenshot the text and put it in this thread so i can see it...hopefully we will get something back, before i have to speak with msi (i assume msi will reply to me sometime in the net 5-7 days)

 

well Chun was talking about marketing. It was probably always done word of mouth on purpose

 

Someone directly attached the the lawsuit would need to contact him for documentation. I don't want to just ask him a question only to have 5 other people also bug him.

 

I believe that we can subpoena any of them and take our chances in court I don't think it would be hearsay comming from a review site we can make them submitt the emails or whatever from MSI I think and trust me I'll find out on Monday.

 

they all claim honest reviews maybe we should use this to prove many of these review sites do not.

 

hopefully we will hear from Jarred on Monday. G/L whoever posted to FB and please repatse the response here when u get it.

after re-reading the text @ anandtech tho, 1 thing come to mind:
the post references a specific model of gt80 and Gt72 with 9X0M Series (M series). in legal terms, it could be easily argued, that two generations would be 980-laptop beings 1st gen, and then 1070 or 1080 being second gen. it could be easily argued that msi satisfied the "2 generation" clause by providing upgrade to 1070/1080, which they do provide in their existing offer we got last week.

owners of 900-laptop series (not M series) are potentially screwed here in regards to being able to upgrade beyond 1070/1080.

so its likely that even if you go to court, the best case scenario is upgrade to 1080....

for clarity and transparency sake, it appears that the promise of upgrades for "2 generations of gpu upgrades" come from this specific post and comes from AT staff, not MSI:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8818/msi-gt80-titan-full-specs-revealed


anandtech does use some very explicit (direct) language to say that an upgrade would include you getting back your old gpu after upgrade to new generation, so their response should be very interesting, since you could potentially leverage this information to reduce cost of upgrade to 1080 or at least have good leverage to ask them to send you back your old gpu , which you can try to resell on your own.

 

That would make sense if they were referring to "only" the gt80/gt72, but what about the Gt72s/GT80s models? they also have two generations. the GT72/GT80 can be argued to have the 800m series and their generations may have been achieved to the 1070. But in my opinion, those that have haswell or broadwell make out well with the trade in deal right now as it stands. I would trade up in heart beat if i had a broadwell or haswell model.

 

Let's remember the statute that if MSI is in fact violating the fair trades act MSI owes us for possibly 2 generations of GPU upgrades so they charging us for the upgrade could potentially backfire back on them. You see they have just told us what the upgrade is worth essentially doing our work for us as to how much to sue them for. I'm just saying...

 

I see your point. You know what, if MSI made it reasonable for me where they actually offered me for example what I feel I should receive as a substantial upgrade I wouldn't mind giving up on the other generation. If they gave me the GT73VR with the 1070 for my 6820hk 970m i would be happy, but for what they are charging i might as well get the 1080 and sell mine off

 

@infex if you can show me something in writing from msi or a reviewer, where the article talks about gt72S or gt80S, i would agree. but the only thing in writing i see in that AT article, that talks about 2 generations talks about gt72 and gt80. so far there is 0 information on the web that we found, about gt80s or gt72s being upgrade able "2 generations". if you have this please link. or screenshot.

@CarlJones i dont understand your argument. if you are saying msi is violating promise of gpu upgrade, and instead is offering trade in program, you can try a lawsuit and it may have some merit. on the other hand if they demonstrate that technically it was not feasible and they made a "best effort" via trade in program your lawsuit probably wont win.

as far as pricing, this was never up to end user to decide so even if they did provide kits, they could have charged 1500$ for a 1080 and not provided option to send you back your old gpu or charged 1800 and sent you back your old gpu...noone ever said the price of the upgrade would have been fair or reasonable or determined by end user.

i do think there is some price wiggle room here on some of the entries in the table they sent (the 970m sli to 1070 is probably worst deal ....and 980 sli to 1080 sli is probably best deal) but only a couple of hundred bucks in either direction, nothing epic. maybe 970m sli to 1070 for 1500 instead of 1800..but then 980 users only pay 2k instead of 2500 which is list price for a pair of 1080's......... the only possible leverage to lower cost here is Anandtech clearly stating you would get your old gpu back, which again is only said by AT , and not msi, so it depends on what Jarred, replies with via FB..if he can show something in writing from msi where they also state original gpu's would be sent back to users, we can use that as leverage to lower upgrade price

 

Look I don't know and neither do you The owing us part was told to me by the lawyer that they would Owe us for the upgrades at least one upgrade that means we send our laptops in at no cost to us because the ones we have are not upgradable. And yes the lawyer said if MSI tried in good faith to fix it we couldn't sue. Like I said we have nothing to loose by trying. It's literally costing me nothing but time and this is all on contingency from my lawyer I don't pay my lawyer he charges MSI. they won't take the case if they're not confident they will win. Again I will contact them on Monday and should have a path forward by the end of the week. We may not have a case but we have to try at least.

 

That obviously sucks either way. "We" know they offered it, but I believe MSI was covering their tracks after the issues came to light. I bought mine on the " 2 generations" the ad had the mxm info, but now everywhere I look the mxm info has been removed.

 

My lawyer also said that we each could take it to small clames court which is what I was going to do if I didn't get the 25 names and they said I had a very good chance of winning there.

 

I have it.

 

The info is still out there regarding 1 upgrade for either 9x0m or 9x0 series....thats not the issue
only real issue is for folks expecting upgrade beyond 10x0 series and so far that looks like dubious at best...


i disagree that i have nothing to loose. Time is very relevant here with Oct 31 already being one deadline. also time is relevant since i am not looking to get into a law case which could take YEARS to resolve just to get a hundred bucks back and upgrade to a gtx1080 in 2018. the whole i dea here was to get to the latest gen graphics for a price of that card without paying premium for all new platform and without waiting years after release...

the offer we are given by msi is going to have some kind of time limit on it, and oct 31 is already one deadline. So for my purpose i need to decide to either strike a deal before oct 31 (in which case i want as much leverage as possible) or i need to assume i will miss the upgrade window and risk going thru legal means....

so i need to make a choice to either Not accept their offer in which case i run the risk of missing the time frame.
then if i join the suit and it fails , i would loose the case, win nothing, and miss the upgrade window of opportunity so would be left with nothing..

so by signing up i think i am risking something

i respect if you want to take that risk, skip the offer and try legal means, but to me that risk would not be worth a couple of hundred bux

 

I too would like to make a choice. Do you have an "S" model? If so which are you looking to upgrade to if you had the choice?

 

This is a valid concern for all of us. I will ask the lawyer if some of us take the deal and stay in the lawsuit can we be reimbursed after the fact. In effect get your money back if you take the trade now.

 

I have an S-002 model and if I upgrade it would be to a gt73vr sli for like $500 or to a Gt83 1080 sli for like $800-$900

 

I joined but have not yet received invitation email. Eagerly waiting for it to show up in my inbox.

 

Sounds good to me if I had your choices. I don't see where I fall, that is my concern is losing my HK processor for an HQ may not be too much of an issue, but I would like to keep what I paid for. I am willing to pay $1000 for the GT73VR w 1080, but I doubt they will offer me that since i have the

 

i do not have an S model.

i think regardless of model s or not, 970m or 980m or 980 imho they should cost the same depending which gpu you want, not what gpu you have. the whole idea was to pay for just the gpu, and if this were a desktop, buying 1080 would be same cost, to any of us, regardless if you are coming from a 880 or 980 or 980ti- this is how they are priced on amazon/newegg/etc-- 650-900$ is what anyone would pay regardless what you have in your rig today. after all ----their claim is "the cost to upgrade is only the cost of the gpu, we are not charging you for a whole new pc". so imho their prices are ballpark appropriate..maybe 100-200 dollars off at most as noted above in the case of 970m sli to 1070 being probably "most overpriced", but not by all that much.


first thing to change would be to allow folks to upgrade to 1080 tier. since its starting to become obvious this is probably the only chance to "take the deal", its probably wiser to go to 1080 and "plan for the long haul", rather than expecting to be able to upgrade again to 1170/1180.

for S series owners they should be able to postpone the Upgrade by 1 year. (agree to offer now, but not send any money for 6-12 months).

i think most of us sent these two questions to msi, so the answers are either going to "make the deal or break the deal".

i noted prices for Clevo 1080/1070 in previous post so as long as msi can get close to them i think the offer would end up reasonable for most.

 

how long do we have to agree?

 

If MSI would give me the base GT73VR SKU for $1,000, and take the physical condition of my GT72 off of the table, I'd honestly be close to content with the deal.

 

Someone in Euroland was told the end of November. Dunno if that applies to the US offers.

 

I was thinking on the idea of going for the 1080 and not look back. My laptop hasn't broken a year yet and I would like the 6-12 months.

 

Give me an hour I will be adding all names and sending invites once a day at 6pm pacific time

 

if i follow the pattern provided in current table, i get something like this for 1080 tier:

970m to 1080 for 1400
980m to 1080 for 1300
980 to 1080 for 1000 --this exists in the offer already
970m sli to 1080 sli for 2800
980m sli to 1080 sli 2600
980 sli to 1080sli 2000 -- this exists in the offer already

something like the above would cost close to "market price" for 970m and 980m users, while 980 and SLI users get a slight discount since they are in the newer/premium segment. then if they allows S series to delay upgrade, i think that would probably be reasonable for 90% considering the circumstances and assuming we all just want to get back to gaming with a piece of mind.

by market price i am looking here: http://rjtech.com/shop/index.php?dispatch=categories.view&category_id=167

1070 with heatsink+screws is 825$
1080 with heatsink+screws is 1325$
tax and shipping not included in those prices. price is in usa dollars.

 

I am liking the $1400 for the 970m

 

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