GT72/GT72S and GT80/GT80S Owners GPU Upgrade Discussion

@infex Please read the post you quoted.

 

Had the pricing been like this maybe I would have been able to be talked out of the class action provided we could do something similar when the 11xx came out. I would even go for the 1080SLI option which is what I was thinking when I chose to buy. However I still think forgive the second generation upgrade for even trade. Why does no one address the second round of promised upgrades in your thinking? We WILL be able to prove MSI promised 2 upgrades. I showed the advertisement that was deleted off the MSI website to the lawyer with the you tube stuff, they say that's enough to prove intent. Especialy because they took it off. Join me at [email protected]

 

Show us the advertisement from the MSI website that said 2 gens upgrades Carl. Does it mention from which generation the upgrades were from, ie. 8th gen, 9th gen?

 

I wouldn't be surprised that a 1070 is being made since it uses the 230w brick and fits nicely in a GT72 chasis.

 

If MSI were making an MXM 1070, why would they continue to roll out the upgrade scheme in the USA.

 

-_-

 

I said with the videos they can prove it. There are lots of videos that advertise 2 gen LTT for one that's what I showed them. A MSI rep listening to a reviewer say MSI promises 2 upgrades and not saying different means they agree with what the reviewer is saying. LAWYER...Intent......

 

Link the videos please.

 

it may not be online anymore

 

12.30 only mentions upgrade from 9 series to pascal.

 

@spurst I am on my side, of me wanting to get the best deal i think i can get. i am on a side that will need to make a decision to either strike a deal with msi in the next 30/60/90 days. Or i will need to tell them i will skip the deal, join the class action and buy the clevo. IF i am going to push them for better deal, than what is offered, i need actual facts- web links, urls, msi letterheads, msi employees on video etc, to backup my demands based on what msi themselves promised (not what a 3rd party promised). so far i see promises to upgrade my laptop for cost of the new gpu. thats it. if they cant offer me an mxm, then they need to provide new laptop with comparable parts (same tier) PLUS new gpu, for the cost of that gpu... which is essentially what they are offering (except no option for 1080 for alot of tiers)

yes English is my "primary" language and i do live in an area which is part of the upgrade- i was the guy that posted the actual usa offer details into this thread a couple days ago.

@MiSJAH all the stuff you are linking just repeats what we know. - 980m will be up gradable to next generation. there is nothing explicit here about keeping your old 980m/980. the video is an msi shill not an msi employee.....another instance where "entertainer" or "journalist" or "reviewer" is acting. i respect your position, you can make the argument to msi about keeping your old gpu base don whatever reason you provide, you have the right not to strike a deal and go with the lawsuit or take another course of action.

bottom line for me at this point: i feel very confident asking msi to offer gtx1080 upgrade for 1300-1400$ and feel i can point to lots of evidence for this, from msi themselves (thanks everyone who linked msi employee videos, and links to msi site showing these clear facts). imho this is inline with the links you reference where they advertise to upgrade your 980m/980 laptop to next generation graphics for the price of the graphics card(s)

IF @anandtech replies and can provide something in writing from msi showing "MSI publically promised 2 generations of upgrades and returning your old gpu to you after upgrade" i will feel confident in changing my position and demanding an even better deal.
so far out of what was found anandtech is the ONLY source on the entire net which @mason2smart showed us, that explicitly stated both those points in writing. So IMHO the 2 groups of people claiming they were promised "2 generations" and "my old gpu back" all stem from a promise by Anandtech, not a promise from MSI. Their response will sure be interesting if/when we get it, and would be relevant for many people in this thread.

 

Been trying to keep offline copies of all evidence...

 

ask for it for all of us lol. not just yourself or post what you told them. and each of us will modify your post to ask.

 

This and your existing card/s, so add an extra $500 - $1,000. That means you feel very confident asking msi to offer gtx1080 upgrade for $1800-$2400. That a lot more than the cost from rjtech that you linked to previously.

 

Why wouldn't we get our old cards back as long as we asked. We paid for our old cards. We would have paid for the new cards (only remanufactured cards could have return cores) and this is not a warranty repair. They would have no legal claim to them. They would be ours to have as backup, sell, or even make art out of.

 

what about our old laptops too? didn't we pay for those?

 

Per MSI's email:
a) Unit must be shipped back to MSI without any physical damage and with all original components which includes the following but not limited to:
i. Power Adaptor
ii. CPU
iii. Graphics Card
iv. Memory
v. SSD/HDD

So does that mean you need to ship back the box, packaging materials, stuffed dragon, etc? I understand that is a bit extreme, but the email does say all original components. I don't even see how this is fair or legal, because the only thing required to buy a video upgrade is the card.

 

How else do you expect them to sell the laptop without it all.

 

Of course, but in the trade in, that's what you are trading in. The notebook for notebook.

However, you are paying for the GPU, so the existing GPU should not be part of the trade agreement.

That's why this is a bum deal. They want your notebook and old GPU in return for a notebook without a GPU, then they want you to pay for a new GPU on top!

Whereas the original advertised MXM upgrade, was a purchase of a new GPU, and therefore the original GPU still belongs to you.

That's MSI's problem for screwing up the original MXM upgrade. They can take my existing GPU when the make allowances in the costings in the 'trade in, upgrade' offer.

 

To this I agree because I still have old RAM laying around from old laptops and desktops that I thought I would sell. The point is I WOULD ask for it back and if I didn't get it I would need a good reason why. Because it's mine and I bought it with the laptop. They would need to show me why or I wouldent do it plain and simple. Doesn't seem fair to keep my stuff. IMO

 

Exactly, I couldn't agree more and that's the point I was making. People are talking like the laptop trade in was the deal in the first place.

 

Yeah it's some serious ******.

They claim "we can replace your laptop for a new model at the same cost as if you were to have been able to solely upgrade the GPU", but they are taking the full value of our current laptops. Shouldn't we then get a discount? Furthermore, if they are being so kind as to sell it to us at MXM cost, why does the price differ, depending on the specs of your current laptop? 970M SLI pays $1,800, while 980M SLI pays $1,400. Hello? Isn't 1070 SLI sitting at a fixed cost?

Why does the condition matter? Why do the original components need to be included? Oh right, because they intend to resell our laptops for a nice bit of profit.

MSI's only intention is to find a loophole where they can claim to have fulfilled their legal obligation, but without taking any sort of financial hit in the process.

This shouldn't even be a "trade in" guys. We didn't ask for a trade, and we certainly didn't buy our machines with the knowledge that they would try to pull this. We were told we'd be buying new MXM cards, for our old laptops. That's classic bait and switch. MSI sold us a promise, and is now reneging, turning it into a way to make even more money.

We can not let them get away with this.

 

I concur with that! I would rather be able to upgrade my GT80S but that's not going to happen so it's all a bum deal, and yea I'm butt hurt!! I love my laptop that I have I'm attached to it.

 

At least we have MSI's prices for their MXM Pascal cards as they kindly provided them.

• GTX 1070 $700
  
• GTX 1080 $1000
  
• GTX 1070 SLI $1400
  
• GTX 1080 SLI $2000

These prices must be accurate as they are direct from MSI and to quote "Each upgrade cost is the same as if you were to only upgrade the GPU".

So we can now ignore rjtech's pricing for GTX 1070 & GTX 1080 and use MSI's own pricing.

I think this makes things much more interesting.

 

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Funny I think that's about what we will be sueing for X 2 upgrades hummm...

 

should only be $1k to go to dual 1080 from 980m sli... and like $500 to $700 to go to 1070 sli

 

This. They keep our existing cards they reduce the cost of the new card accordingly.

 

Just wanted to reiterate that you probably won't get anywhere near that, and certainly not within a reasonable time. Think about the otherOS lawsuit that Sony dealt with. The lawsuit claimed that by removing the feature, Sony had invalidated its own marketing and committed false advertising, and owners deserved their money back since they couldn't use the product as described. The lawsuit was filed in 2010. A settlement deal was just announced. It took six years to get to a point where some people get back $55, and some others can get back $19, and this suit hadn't even gone through a trial yet. For those of you considering, you have a decent chance of winning and a better chance of getting what you want on your own than you would doing this as a class action. Even if you win, you'll probably only get a few hundred bucks back. Most states don't equate potential savings lost as damages.

 

We can also leave the class at any time. Why wouldn't you want to look at all of your options?

 

I will say he does have a point about doing This lawsuit in Small clames court but me personally I have nothing but time my lawyers are going to take care of everything so I'll just wait and maybe I will do the upgrade maybe not I still have a laptop I can wait and let's not forget the bad press gamers are serious about their machines. And I'll reiterate this again it's better than sitting there and doing nothing but complaining on this stupid forum, at least I'm trying something instead o shooting down people's ideas and crying like a bunch of b@tches. IMO

 

I'm totally for a lawsuit. I think it can be won without much trouble. I just don't want people going in thinking this is a slam dunk case where they are getting exactly what they want. You'll probably win, but you may not get as much as you want. MSI may not want to fight a bunch of small claims, but one class action is easier to deal with. I'm putting together my own case to try and leverage a better deal myself.

 

Every one here knows that we may get mext to nothing but what do we have to loose? Nothing...we can take the trade in hopefully later we will find that out later through the lawyers. Hell we may get nothing, it may get thrown out. There are a lot of maybe's but what's for sure is if we do nothing we will get NOTHING but what they give us.
[email protected]

 

depends if there is a waiver to sign when executing the trade in. there is probably something to sign...question is will it contain "by agreeing to these terms i agree not to take legal action against msi..etc..etc" ..we wont know until someone actually goes thru with the trade in....
even if we dont take the existing deal or some tweak of it, the lawsuit will end up nowhere if they end up releasing the 1070 as a kit in the next 6 months, which @MiSJAH was saying is a possibility

 

Well you can lose a bit. For example, you could end up having to pay court costs and attorney's fees for MSI if you lose (that's at least fairly likely to happen if you lose). Also, if the courts find that your claim isn't as strong as you think it is, MSI could actually rescind their offer and change it to be much more expensive to trade. MSI would likely not allow you to trade in the laptop while involved in the lawsuit anyways. So while agree that the risks are on the low side, I wouldn't say they are nonexistent. Once again, I'm not against anyone putting forth a lawsuit; its a great idea. I do have a decent knowledge of law (political science degree, pre-law, and I study law as a hobby), and I don't want people getting the wrong impression from the whole procedure. Best of luck to all of you though!

 

What's wrong if we let a lawyer ask questions like the ones you all are asking?
They can tell US anything they want only a lawyer can call BS. An only a lawyer can interpret trade laws and hold companies to it. That's why I started this, I make it a point to talk with professionals when dealing with money and wish I would have done that before buying in the first place and found out the chances they could keep their promise because one reviewer said "its not going to happen" some English gentleman on a review site. And he was right.

 

make sure your lawyer understands computers and components and values and upgrades. my parents don't (they think an xps 15 or a razer is comparable to a gt80)

 

The cost of that way overpriced Razer was $3500, which is just about the same as the GT80. IDK about the XPS 15 you had, but it could be configured to be priced over $3k.

From the cost factor alone, they are identical

 

lol they want to get me the xps 15 for college and i dont want it lol. crappy dell machine with optimus

 

Hey guys : see that joke
GT73 VR - Win10 Skylake i7-6700HQ GTX 1070, 8GB GDDR5 DDR IV 8GB*2 256GB NVMe SSD +1TB (SATA) 7200rpm
17.3" FHD, Anti-Glare (1920*1080) eDP 120Hz Vivid Color 94% (I) : 1700-1900€

GT72 VR - (Win10/ Skylake i7-6700HQ/ GTX 1060, 6GB GDDR5/ DDR IV 8GB*2/ 128GB SSD (M.2 SATA) +1TB (SATA) 7200rpm/ 17.3" FHD, Anti-Glare (1920*1080) eDP IPS-Level) : 1100-1300€

Man ? MSI go to hell

 

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Do what I did. Sell and then you have a choice of going with MSI, Clevo, Alienware, Asus, Eurocom... Whatever you want.

 

Yeap, as soon as i get back to my homeland

 

In my case (germany reference) i have to decide within this month....
Is the same for other in EU?

Actually i think: keep (since it's still a fast machine) or sell like some if you... And back to desktop...when i will not have any problens to upgrade when i want my gpu...

 

mind sharing the German details?

 

I did already some post ago:
From my notebook to gt83 with 1070 = 1300 euros, with 1080 = 2800 euros!

 

So the price in France came in:

Here is my actual computer:

GT72S 6QE-083X Dominator Pro G (bought in january)
CPU 6820HK
GPU 980M
16GO DDR4
IPS G-Sync

and this is what they offer me:
GT73 VR - Win10 Skylake i7-6700HQ GTX 1070, 8GB GDDR5 DDR IV 8GB*2 256GB NVMe SSD +1TB (SATA) 7200rpm
17.3" FHD, Anti-Glare (1920*1080) eDP 120Hz Vivid Color 94% (I)


Price of the exchange: 1300-1500€
For a GPU Downgrade !!

My god do they know that thes will loose trust of 50% of gamers?

 

How's the gpu a downgrade?

 

Sorry I was talking about the CPU! I have a I7 6820HK and they offer me a 6700

 

yea... if i go to a gt72 i end up with a crappy cpu but smaller laptop... if i go to another gt80 the laptop increases in thickness... but i get a better cpu...

btw which cpu is better
6920 or 6820?