GT72/GT72S and GT80/GT80S Owners GPU Upgrade Discussion

You all need to contact @Prema here or through his site link.

I had added the other usernames so they could speak up and answer your questions, maybe they still will

They have direct experience with this situation, so can best answer your questions.

I only know that I see others that have purchased from non-Prema partners getting denied access to the Prema firmware, IDK what the rules are, the potential for future access, or anything like that. But, I would think it's best to support Prema and get the benefits of many years working on fixing Clevo firmware for getting full performance out of your hardware.

The partners not only offer the firmware to their clients, they also warranty that same hardware running the @Prema tuned firmware, which non-partners may not - something to keep in mind too.

Benefits of Prema BIOS:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...oenix-2-is-here.794530/page-631#post-10380004

 

This is an interesting video from a few days ago from hardwarecanucks showing a Eurocom Tornado laptop swapping mxm gpus and benchmarking a 980m vs a 1070 on the same machine, plus other configurations on other laptops. The Eurocom sure does look like a msi at least by the body. Wonder what magic Eurocom has to make that work?

 

It *is* an MSI 16L13 Barebones "Whitebox" laptop.

Here are a our NBR threads:

The Official MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5) Owners and Discussions Lounge
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...nado-f5-owners-and-discussions-lounge.797128/

Want to ask about Eurocom Tornado F5
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/want-to-ask-about-eurocom-tornado-f5.796862/

 

I have been watching this thread for a while and it looks like so far that MSI laptops can upgrade to the 1070 if you have a 980 desktop version. So I was wondering If I bought the 1070 GTX upgrade from here : http://www.eurocom.com/ec/upgrade(2,348,0)ec

Would it work ? or would I need a bios upgrade ?
If the MXM versions are the same, I don`t see the problem.
Currently I have a 980 GTX desktop 8Mb for a GT2VR Dragon of the year 29th edition.

I don`t understand why the 980GTX card costs more than the 1070, the 980GTXis £1187 and the 1070 is £738.

It shows you here how to upgrade :


But it doesn't show the addition of the power cable which is included with the upgrade, its also worth noting on other videos it looks like the CPU is up gradable with that computers motherboard.

 

Just to add, I did find this :

MSI GT72VR 6RE Dominator Pro 099AU Intel Core i7 6820HK GTX 1070 17.3" FHD Gaming Laptop

http://www.pcmarket.com.au/shop/msi...-intel-core-i7-6820hk-gtx-1070-173-fhd-gaming

So the GT72VR can use a 1070 card, is MSI just trying to screw everyone with their exchange program ?

 

We already knew that 72VR can host 10xx MXM cards... We are questioning this for GT72 and GT72S, not VR... Plus your site is mentionning twice 1070 and once 1080 in the same description...

 

Ok cool, didn't know that, thanks.

 

Oh yeah, I'm always glad to help where I can. Still checking in on some things, no update as of yet though.

MXM prices are weird. It is one of the few things that don't always go down in price as they get older, like you would expect. Once they are out of production, they can become harder to find and the price can actually go up.

hmscott is right on the Prema bios. We aren't able to offer it, unfortunately. If you want to find out if you can get it on a system purchased through us, you would want to check Prema's site. If you have any questions I can help with though, just let me know.

 

I was looking at your site and looking into selling my MSI for SAGER NP9873-S. I was curious on the BIOS and what makes it different or difficult to update if they both use the same hardware?

 

Kinda sad sager doesn't offer anything like the gt80 or the gx800

 

In what sense? Mechanical keyboard or what? They do have SLI machines with GTX 1070 and 1080. Or you mean screen size? Cause honestly an inch isn't much different.

Honestly I like the GT73 more right now, than the GT80. But I am curious as to how it would perform in SLI (although to be honest, I am inclined to get a 1080 single GPU, i'm done with SLI for the time being).

 

Xactly how I feel, GT73VR 1080, in size / performance.

MSI needs to allow us GT80 owners to "downgrade" to a single GPU GT73VR 1080

@snallygaster @MSI Myco @MSI Natalie @MSIGeno

And, MSI needs to revamp the GT8x line with a better screen - bigger, faster, and higher resolution, better / quieter cooling for the 1080 SLI, and a more subtle design - high end gaming performance with not so much flash.

Right now the 1080 SLI solutions aren't very appealing, too loud, too hot, not worthy of the price - even if the performance is awesome - they need some finesse re-engineered into the design.

 

I just sent this to their thread on MSI forums as well, but am cross posting from there.

and their attempt at making us happy feels like an insult...

 

yea but i like the touchpad being on the right and the mechanical keyboard

 

I love the mechanical keyboard, but I seriously miss the lack of numpad. The implementation on the GT80 is just... functional. I actually also like the touchpad on the right, though I have no problems with it being on a regular place like on common laptops.

It would be interesting if they migrate the GT73 into full mechanical keyboard, using new low profile keys.

 

Dont forget they removed the haptic feedback from the touchpad, I wanted that when I bought mine and it's not there. I received their reply back for the "upgrade" program and it is posted over here

ohh they redirected the post over here instead of the question post. I was hoping the original post over at the link below might get an answer from the msi rep of why???

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...or-the-msi-rep-2.795226/page-20#post-10377291

 

Of course it feels that way. It depends on many factors. Some might feel OK with doing the trade in, others will never be convince because they already own the computer they want, except they no longer have the promised option of upgrading. OR that the whole program is like... RIGHT NOW (and expensive).

It's ok to vent and express it. A lot of folk feel the same way here. This isn't the end about the subject though.

 

jokes on me i tried to have xotic pc install the haptics module but they also removed the port on the gt80s version

also lost ability to switch from discrete to integrated in the gt80s as well so battery life was effectively 1/4 of the predecessor

 

I actually did miss the haptic feedback from the original previews. They simply never shipped with it. And only the original GT80 series, with haswell and broadwell, could ever use it. Apparently that one offered a subpar experience, but we might never know...

I want to get one and try though. The stock numpad just doesn't feel right being touch, with lack of buttons.

 

If you want to upgrade to a better gpu, you much in effect purchase the direct upgrade and then buy the following better gpu.

MSI are on drugs.

 

Pat's looking into it -- he said he asked MSI and they are going to start replying NEXT week.... GG

 

I am more interested in the opposite. Going from GT80 to a GT73. Though I am hesitant as I very much don't want to trade in my GT80 at all...

 

for the right price I would go to a gt83 or a 73vr

Not sure if I like the 73vr... build quality may not be the same. when i saw one on display at microcenter all the lighting was messed up... and that laptop was literally chained to the desk. They have the new gt83 on display i think... maybe during break i'll go look at it if they still have it...

 

Where's the price for GTX980 M to GTX 1080?

 

According to the chart they gave us, atleast $2,000 USD and maybe more if they allow that option. 2K was with desktop 980s and not the M version.

 

They are quoting the power requirements of the pascal video cards and heat requirements. I've read pcgamer and other websites claiming the 1070m's use less power and are lower heat output than my 970m's. I can see if they changed the mxm design specs for chip placement and the heatpipes not fitting it to dissipate heat, but the mxm spec itself requires the slot to do certain things and as far as i know the 1070's come in that format. Seems odd that they can not do up a heatsink upgrade with video card and if needed a hookup that takes power (if that's actually an issue, but opinions of reviews seem to say the opposite), from someplace else nearby to power the cards "power requirements"

 

looks like $1000 USD per 980m to 1080

 

and for the 1070 variant, looks like it still requires the dual brick power setup

 

This still makes no sense. It doesn't matter what GPU you have or even if that GPU works. The advertised upgrade meant you would pay the price of the card you wanted.

What the hell is wrong with MSI?

 

no thats currently per 980 to 1080

 

310 274-1715

I agree. Pretty pissed with MSI. I have always been a hardcore Asus fanboi and this upgrade promise is what made me jump brands. Now I just want to sell this and go back to Asus. My beef with Asus is that they are hardcore behing with gfx chip offerings for some odd reason.... I remember when I got the Gt80s, took Asus nearly 6 months to make a similar offering with a 980M

 

LOL I said per 980 to 1080. so 2000 if you have 2 of them according to the chart they sent in email. 1000 if you have 1 980m and upgrade it to 1 1080.

curious though, are these upgrades all to desktop cards? I know nvidia is doing away with the m at the end of models as heat and power requirements allow them to use the same chips on both vs a special mobile chip thats locked in lower speeds.

 

If you have a 970m and want to upgrade to a 1080 machine that $2,300 for a $1,000 card (MSI's pricing based on only upgrading the GPU).

 

Ive still got my last laptop here. was going to sell it but tempted to keep it now.

TOSHIBA 17.3" X875-Q7390 Intel Core i7 3630QM (2.40 GHz) NVIDIA Geforce GTX 670(3D Vision) 16 GB Memory 2 TB HDD Windows 8 Gaming Laptop

upgraded it to 256GB SSD for main drive and 2TB for second drive. Had a toshiba qosmio X850 before that and loved it, the 875 has way smaller heatsinks in it.

 

And why does the GT80 with a single GTX980 M or a single GTX980 get to upgrade for $1,000 when the GT72 with 980 M does not?

 

yeah the whole "you pay the upgrade for your card price, plus the price of the new card upgrade" sticks in my craw. look at the email pic i attached to my post a few pages back and it explains it. so essentially you pay double for the upgrade from the 970m to the 1080 according to their pricing and the paragraph at the bottom of the chart

 

Yeah that's what I'm basing my disbelief upon.

But 970m to 1080 is three times, 970m > 1060 > 1070 > 1080 - $600 + $700 + $1,000 = $2,300 because MSI screwed up/lied about the upgradability of their notebooks.

 

here is the direct quote off the email.(I tried reading my attached jpg and couldnt lol)

 

Upgraded my GT80-Titan SLI-258 with below. I play a lot of steam games and looking at my list and stack of bluray backups Im still short on it for installing everything. But it does play Elite Dangerous and most any other game I throw at it pretty well on Ultra settings.

2 x SAMSUNG 850 EVO M.2 500GB SATA III 3-D Vertical Internal SSD Single Unit Version MZ-N5E500BW

1x Seagate STBD2000102 2TB 5400 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 2.5" Internal Notebook Hard Drive Retail Kit

 

Yup. That's the same email that I got and that is what ticks me off so much since if they made good on their promise it would only have cost me $1000 dollars, according to them, to upgrade to a 1080. However now with their "upgrade" plan that downgrades every part of my laptop, I've got to pay $1700 for a 1080 and get me back to close to my currently laptop specs.

I honestly cannot fathom how anyone thinks that is a good way to treat your customers and I can only hope at this point that this is not their final plan to present to their customer base.

 

And that is unacceptable.

 

wow ur right that's a huge inconsistency

@pat@XOTICPC

 

None of this makes any sense.

If it 'Each upgrade cost is the same as if you were only to upgrade the GPU' why are the 2 in the red box different costs?

And if point three is correct *** then the upgrade cost from sli 970m to sli 1070 should be $2,600 as it is a 2 tier jump in GPU. 970m > 1060 > 1070 - 2 x $600 + 2 x $700 = $2,600

Is MSI run by kindergarten kids that have zero understanding of basic math?

 

even worse for me i put 2 500 gb 950 pro's in it.... If I can't keep them......

 

how was 3d vision?

 

And there is only $700 difference between the GT72VR GTX1070 and GT73VR GTX1080

Both have I7's (GT73VR's is unlocked), 512GB SSD, 32GB RAM, 1TB HDD.

Did no one check the email before they sent it out?

Did they think we are too stupid to analyse it?

 

Loved it in the games that supported it, wife couldn't be in the room with it as the doubled image made her sick to her stomach. Was great until the VR hardware started coming out, Now it looks dated but still cool when I get it out to play with lol.

 

seems so... lol

 

I'm still waiting on MSI UK to get back to me. To be fair on the phone they seemed reasonable, the person that deals with their facebook page and their emails (her that shall not be named) is terrible.

I genuinely hope the HQ, realise what a thundertruck this is, swallow their concerns about this quarter's profit and make all MSI locations fix this at their expense, endearing them once again to gamers worldwide.

If not it won't take long for those that buy MSI's GPUs, MB's and other kit to find out how MSI treat their customers.

This thread has over 130,000 views,my thread on overclockers forums has another 6,000+ then there's reddit and other forums.

That's a lot of people being informed.