GT72/GT72S and GT80/GT80S Owners GPU Upgrade Discussion

i agree. that discussion leads back to "they are big and rich and should give me something for free because they lied".

personally i wish they permanently keep this program running so in 2 years i can take the gt73vr with 1080 and trade it in for 1500 bux for the top gt74VR (or whatever they call it) with top gpu in fall 2018 in 2 years. then trade in again in 2020...etc etc i initially suggested this as "club msi" with membership at the start of this thread but i think i got laughed off as being ridiculous....i am still in favor of such a program tho..msi would get a predictable revenue stream from me every 2 years and i would always get a top laptop with top gpu every 2 years at a much better cost than paying for whole new laptop every 2 years....

 

It appears, at least currently, that if you opt for the 1st gen upgrade and get it, you can opt for a gen 2 upgrade and get that - that would be the end of the upgrades covered in this trade-in.

You could also opt to apply for the Gen1 but opt to wait for the Gen 2 upgrade. That would be the last upgrade covered by this trade-in.

So we can either take the Pascal Upgrade now, and then upgrade again to the Volta Upgrade later. Or, wait for the Volta upgrade before acting on the trade-in - but you need to file the Gen1 trade-in form now/first!!

I would assume MSI would need to offer another trade in program to allow future generations of laptops an upgrade path not connected to these GTX8xx/GTX9xx trade-ins.

We have the GTX9xx => 2 generation upgrade path.

And, the GTX8xx => GTX9xx => 10xx 2 generations of GPU upgrades for them too.

 

wait they are still actively emailing you back?

 

wait...Isn't it $1400 for the 980m sli model to go to 1070 sli? how is a 970m sli model getting the same price?

 

Yeah, I've been asking MSI the questions asked in the thread on a 1 at a time basis. There are a few MSI people responding.

I figured to ask while the channel was still open.

But, I am feeling it's about time to stop it before they start actively ignoring me again

 

can you pm me some of the emails of the one's responding?

 

No I can't PM you private emails.

I am posting everything they are sending in the emails except their address and some off topic interactions.

Do you think I am holding back some juicy stuff?

I also gave them the link back here so they know what I am posting, and so they can follow along and read the responses.

 

i Hope my two
SAMSUNG 850 EVO M.2 2280 500GB SATA III 3-D Vertical Internal SSD Single Unit Version MZ-N5E500BW
will still fit the
GT83VR Titan Pro w/GTX 1070 SLI they are offering

 

if we choose to upgrade that is...

 

Why wouldn't they "fit"?

The GT83VR has 3 M.2 slots, 2 that can take either an M.2 SATA or M.2 PCIE x4 drive, and 1 slot that is M.2 SATA only.

I think you are ok

 

only 1400 dollar quote on the chart is
GT80 w/980M SLI GT83VR Titan Pro w/GTX 1070 SLI $1400
how does that work exactly? the 970sli is 1800 for the upgrade as I well know...

 

wait they got rid of the 2.5 in hdd slot????? crap.

 

thats exactly what I was asking... no wonder the costs to upgrade from 980m and 980 sli are so inflated... And they are saying we should trust THEM to do the calculations??

 

i got my tinfoil hat on, so i think you have a back-deal with msi for a free vr backpack, ghostbusters style, and are feeding us misinformation

(just kidding of course)

on a more serious note, its very helpful to find out how they use the price-matrix as the base and then Product MSRP to calculate value. that should allow thread participants to estimate the value of just about any trade in - up, or down.

according to the manual- yes the pcie m.2 slots in gt73vr and gt83vr are pcie/msata combo and can be set to either mode pcie or sata.

https://us.msi.com/Laptop/support/GT83VR-TITAN-SLI-6th-Gen-GTX-1080-SLI.html#down-manual page 2-20 in the english manual
https://us.msi.com/Laptop/support/GT73VR-TITAN-Pro-6th-Gen-GTX-1080.html#down-manual page 2-17 in the english manual

1 2.5" drive still fits into either notebook (2 into the gt83 if you swap the optical for a hdd caddy)

 

Your GT80 SLI 970m upgrade cost is $400 more than an upgrade from a GT80 SLI 980m because of the original model cost difference.

The GT80 SLI 970m $2799 vs GT80 SLI 980m $3399, about $600 more originally, give or take some $ for model differences.

https://us.msi.com/Laptop/GT80-Titan-SLI-GTX-970M-SLI#hero-specification&sku_no=372

https://us.msi.com/Laptop/GT80S-TITAN-SLI-6th-Gen-GTX-980M-SLI.html#hero-specification&sku_no=881

That $400 more from $1400 to $1800 doesn't seem fair to you, or what?

 

they best not have gotten rid of the 2.5" slot. specs still show it. Im hoping to get a slightly deeper socket for the HD as I miss my 7200 rpm 2 TB drive that barely fit my qosmio x875 but was too tall for the GT80
I'm curious about the extended warrarnties we bought through places like newegg etc? those are machine dependant and before you ask I did ask in email, on the 2nd or 3rd when they sent out the price chart I replied back with I was interested with several questions. Technically the 2 year extended warranty through newegg will be invalid, and I cant get a refund, but will MSI extend it a further year (3 vs 2 they are currently offering), for the loss of use if it goes down.

 

no, her quote makes no sense about another customers upgrade normally being 1400 but downgrading saving 700. looking at the chart shows 1800 for the card she mentioned being the same as mine, but its upgrade cost to the 1070sli being 1400. when it is 1800. but the customer decided to downgrade to the single 1080 being so much cheaper. could have been a mistype but 400 is 400 unless they are going on a case by case basis lol.

 

Yeah, no VR backpack, not even a cute stuffed Red MSI Dragon

Providing that table and their description was their way of giving us just that facility to figure out our costs on our own so we don't need to wait for answers from them going back and forth to focus in on what we want.

US MSRP is at the bottom of many product Specification page, like here for the GT80 970m SLI and GT80 970m SLI example used in my last post:

https://us.msi.com/Laptop/GT80-Titan-SLI-GTX-970M-SLI#hero-specification&sku_no=372

https://us.msi.com/Laptop/GT80S-TITAN-SLI-6th-Gen-GTX-980M-SLI.html#hero-specification&sku_no=881

It should be a simple thing to get the MSRP's of the trade-in laptops offered and mix / match as desired

 

i am pretty sure it was just a typo or the person meant 980m not 970m which is 1400$

 

Can you please point out the typo, post # / link, and I will fix it or ask that it be fixed if needed.

 

most likely. I can't help it, if I can instigate at least once a day I feel empty and sad... sooo Devil's Advocate it is!!

 

Sorry, which post are you reading, please give me the post # / link, and quote the quote so I can find it and fix it, or have it fixed.

 

not sure post, last page or two, email from msi to you.

"I just recently responded to a customer that had a 970m SLI model and his trade-in cost for similar spec is $1400 for the new 1070 SLI laptop. But he asks to downgrade to a single 1080 GPU model, which is $700 cheaper in both model MSRP differences. So his downgrade cost will be $700."

i quoted you in post #2861

 

Yeah, let me change it to a 980m for now, and ask.

Lets see which way it goes

"XXXX this email of yours brought up a question - you said:

"I just recently responded to a customer that had a 970m SLI model and his trade-in cost for similar spec is $1400 for the new 1070 SLI laptop"

Either you meant a 980m SLI model, as that is a $1400 upgrade, or you meant a 970m SLI model but it should be an $1800 upgrade.

Either you got the GPU name wrong or the upgrade price wrong

970m SLI to 1070 SLI => $1800
980m SLI to 1070 SLI => $1400

Thanks XXXX!"

 

Here is what I want...a free laptop every year....and a personal apology from the head of MSI..TAIWAN...not USA ''
for making me a kick-ass laptop that can run my HTC vive without a hickup but not making it "future" proof!

 

considering all the second GPU seems to really do is the physX work and contribute memory, what would the real advantage be of having a second one in most cases if you upgraded to a single 1080 vs 1070 in sli? I am seriously curious about that considering benchmarks seem to show an increase but if its primarily from offloading physics processing that the processor can handle in most cases....

 

they did move the windows key to the left i think as can be seen from the posted manual... and yes they did leave in the 2.5 in slot i checked

 

well mine can't cause vive doesn't have sli except on "The Lab" which ran without a hitch

 

In a fully SLI supporting game / app, you get rendering on both GPU's, not just Physx. SLI uses the same memory on both cards, there is no "contribute" memory for SLI.

I only purchase SLI supporting games, and my batch jobs / app work supports multiple GPU's.

DX12 is supposed to eventually fully support 2 GPU's, if not in SLI mode at least in independent shared rendering tasks. In this case the GPU memory is independent too, so you do get an additive effect.

VR SLI is supposed to put the rendering of each eye on it's own GPU.

These are all things in the works, not all supported now, but there are a lot of games that have already released and now support SLI.

For games or apps that don't support SLI, you can dedicate a GPU to Physx, but there aren't enough Physx intensive games to make that alone worthwhile.

If you get a 1070 SLI, even 1 1070 GPU will almost match the 980m SLI previously, and for the games supporting SLI, it's way over and above 980 SLI or a single 1080.

 

memory is actually not added in sli, each card uses its own memory as buffer. so 2 cards with 8 gb each are same memory as 1 card having 8gb. (its not 2 8gb cards = 16gb..it doesnt work like that).

sli is dependent on game optimization and drivers. some games really get a boost for the fps from sli, while some others only benefit little or not at all. if a game is optimized and nvidia releases a sli profile, the game can really double fps in a sli config.

in a desktop scenario sli may make sense if you can only afford a single 1070..you can start with 1 card and add another card later....same with 1080.. also Clevo offers this option in the new laptops- you can start with only 1 card, then later add second card, sli bridge (although you have to pay 150+ for a new heatisnk that covers both cards) and additional power brick.

in most basic scenarios (games generally) you are better off with 1 high end card, rather than 2 mid tier cards. but there are scenarios where its nice to have an option for the mid tier cards.
there is always the "best of the best" which is 1080 sli..if money is no object and you think you can get the value out of it, why not ?

sli has some potential issues with VR due to latency between the cards, so they initially rolled out VR only to Single cards..this may change in the future

 

if you go thru with that, you can also make sure that the guys who are responsible for sacking guys like that marketing manager, get sacked

2m2s

 

@hmscott my model is the GT72 i7 4720hq - 980m 8GB - 32GB RAM - m.ssd 500 (4*128) super raid - 1TB HDD. well can u tell me more or less how much i will pay for the GT73VR 1070 or the 1080?

 

No, but ask MSI [email protected] and they will get around to responding.

I asked MSI for a more comprehensive table of trade-in's, but they prefer what they have with MSRP calculations.

You could give that a run and see if you can figure it out. Then ask MSI [email protected] to confirm it.

 

just sent a email, hope they answer fast

 

@hmscott could you pastebin all the emails you have sent/received omitting any contact details/names as appropriate please.



Now if you have a GT series notebook with a 970m, and you want a 1080 machine they expect you to pay for 2x GPU upgrades, $2,300 for a $1,000 card (MSI's pricing based on only upgrading the GPU).

And why does the GT80 with a single GTX980 M or a single GTX980 get to upgrade for $1,000 when the GT72 with 980 M does not?

If it 'Each upgrade cost is the same as if you were only to upgrade the GPU' why are the 2 in the red box different costs?

And if point three is correct *** then the upgrade cost from sli 970m to sli 1070 should be $2,600 as it is a 2 tier jump in GPU. 970m > 1060 > 1070 - 2 x $600 + 2 x $700 = $2,600

 

All of the email text I posted is also in the 1st post in a "spoiler" under:

"Update: 11/9/2016, 11/10/16 - Answers to questions received via email from various MSI people, posted in the thread and added here for easy reference."
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...0-gt80s-owners-gpu-upgrade-discussion.795236/

I can't speak to the thinking behind the table MSI has released, and how they computed the costs of one laptop vs another, but if you have questions or suggestions please pose them to MSI: [email protected]

 

Also, if you have the GT80 with SLi GTX965M the generational costs to 1080 Sli that MSI are saying are appropriate would mean your upgrade would cost more than the purchase price for a GT83VR with SLi 1080's.

Come on people look at MSI's math.

This is not worked out. It doesn't add up.

Do not be taken in by this.

My latest email from MSI UK:

Dear Andy

Apologies for the delay in updating you recently. The solution is still being worked and we would hope to offer a solution in the very near future. We fully appreciate that you want a resolution to this situation. Being perfectly honest, we will give an update once we are in a position to do so. At the moment there is no update to offer so anything we would say would be of little to no value to your specific situation.

Having spoke to ** and HQ this morning, our HQ will be issuing a global press release in the near future which will detail our offer to the community.


Kind Regards

___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

So HQ hasn't made a decision, I wonder what MSI USA are basing their 'trade in' offers on?

 

From the latest chart it seems there is no upgrade option for a 4k screen.
However if I look at some re-sellers it seems the Model referenced (GT73VR Titan Pro-202) Has the 120hz screen While the GT73VR Titan Pro 4k-225 has the 4k sceen yet is not an option.

Of course since these are being looked at on an individual basis that could change.

The thing I wonder about is the model referenced retails at $3099.00 While the 4k model is $300 less.
So if I want the 4k model instead of the 120hz model I should get a "better" deal.

 

it depends wut fits to u i think. for me i think i prefer the 1080p + fps to use the 120mhz rather then the 4k screen. u should ask them wut options u have like i did and still w8ing for answers xD

 

It was a "typo", it was supposed to be a 980m SLI and not a 970m SLI as the example
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Hi Scott,

I apologize for the error, the customer I was referring to had 980m SLI.

I guess I didn’t double check and submit my email to you. I was working OT over OT and I guess my energy drained a bit. ^_^
---------------------------------

Let's all try to remember these are overworked people just like us at MSI trying to do their best to do a good job, and remember to be nice to them when we interact with them, and not abuse them too much in this thread - I am pretty sure they read our posts.

 

my cross shipped laptop arrived at my p.o.box today (they billed me on Wednesday, the laptop hit tracking info on Fed Ex Ground, Thursday 1 pm from Santa Fe Springs, Ca, and today is friday)

Note: Santa Fe Springs, Ca is about 30-40 miles from my p.o.box, so time spent with the mail carrier will vary for you, but MSI did their job fast and shipped it out quick. they basically shipped it out 1 day after they billed me- fed ex picked it up next morning, after they billed me.

so far everything is legit.

i'll try to make a trip to my po box later today or tomorrow and will provide update on what i get- if its retail packaging or something else.

 

Yeah they'll probably go with UPS Ground, for those of us who are closer to the Eastern coast.

 

I have a gt72s with 980m and the gt73vr they are offering has half the RAM and SSD. Do i get the same 32GB RAM and 256GB NVMe SSD in RAID 0 or not?

 

same here. ask them directly.

 

Considering they have a ton of different models/customization.. each person that opted for the upgrade will have a different case.. and on top of that different upgrade options and prices.

They should just have an automated site that you input your model and specs. I'll be out for a month (military training) hopefully everything gets sorted out before Christmas.

 

i just finished the initial migration to the new laptop. everything is as expected.
what i received was the promised sku, very well packaged: inside a shipping box, was the msi brown box, and inside the msi brown box was the retail red/black msi box.
i took some pics with my phone and posted them here: https://goo.gl/photos/sEhnmzS2JHKK7rWb6
there are many unboxing videos on the net if you want super high quality. and they all show same packaging as what i got.
nothing overly special about the laptop i received, there is an adjacent thread in the msi forum covering the specifics of the gt73

i had 2.5ghz/16gb ram/128gb ssd
i got 2.6ghz/16gb ram/128gb ssd


I can confirm the pcie m.2 slots do support m.2 sata drives, so you can move over any drives you may have put into your old laptop as "aftermarket". i moved my old 2 m.2 sata in there. in the bios the setting is automatic- it just auto detects them, see:
https://goo.gl/photos/ts8Fhd1Vw5KAakAMA

so i am happy with what i got- i got my generational gpu upgrade with 2 year warranty going forward with the only real loss being space for 2 more 2.5" drives. i do gain 120hz gsync and thunderbolt so its a trade off....Better than what clevo did to help get their users into a gtx 1080 (cough clevo did nothing).

Final step of the trade in will be on Monday i will send back my old laptop. Its in pretty much mint condition (functions 100%, with 100% original parts, and no cosmetic damage or damage of any kind), so i will update when they refund me the value of my old laptop. then we will have an idea of complete timeline for the process.

 

Alas, Clevo/Sager never advertised generational MXM GPU upgrades, therefore have no promise to fulfill.

 

Still waiting on the final offer email here, has anyone else in the USA gotten theirs yet?

 

If anyone else has they have not posted here.

 

Haven't even gotten responses to my list of questions from over three weeks ago.