GT72/GT72S and GT80/GT80S Owners GPU Upgrade Discussion

Ok thanks, Ill try again monday, I only got the email friday and couldnt send anything all weekend.
Il reply back soon, for me the offers not that bad.

 

Yes that is the one I had

 

You win the 'only reasonable offer from MSI' award, so far.

That's a great deal for you.

(I wonder which previous MXM upgrade they are making your trade-upgrade comparable to?)

 

Glad you knew about both configs and choose the one you wanted.

I was concerned MSI didn't let you know about the less expensive model.

Please update us when you get it and let us know how the whole trade-in went for you.

 

So now I am totally lost. Your MSRP was $3099.99. They gave you a trade value of $2899.00. Your device has 1 less video card than mine (but you do have the Desktop variant). You also have the 4k screen, which they seem to value at $300 looking at the other models (GT73VR-201 vs GT73VR-4K-200 = $300 diff).

Using that, the value of my GT80-SLI-001 should be like $2899-$300=$2599.00. I am so confused. I really want to know how they assigned our values.

Sorry Unpilot - this isn't against you at all. I appreciate your #'s, and am adding them to the sheet.

 

Yeah no problem...I have n idea why or how they came up with prices.
During my email's I expressed my disappointment with the lack of a BR drive.
They responded with the fact the machine I would get had way more ram and ssd space.

Aah the joy of tryng to stay close to the cutting edge

http://www.tccomputerkh.com/product/notebook/msi/gt73vr-7rf-titan-pro-4k-p4404

 

Yeah, but you paid $1000 for that Ram and HD space. It isn't like they just were giving away free Ram and HD Space.

I Updated the main sheet.
http://www.ifshtf.com/files/MSI-GT72-GT80-TRADE-PROGRAM.xlsx

 

Are you sure you have a GT80S SLI-001?

AFAIK there was only a GT80 SLI-001, an early model for $3299 MSRP.

Which SLI do you have 980m or 970m?

There are a couple GT80S models of both, but no SLI-001:

GT80S TITAN SLI (6TH GEN) (GTX 980M SLI)
https://us.msi.com/Laptop/GT80S-TITAN-SLI-6th-Gen-GTX-980M-SLI.html#hero-specification

GT80S TITAN SLI (6TH GEN) (GTX 970M SLI)
https://us.msi.com/Laptop/GT80S-TITAN-SLI-6th-Gen-GTX-970M-SLI.html#hero-specification

 

Nope they were not giving anything away...if they were I doubt this thread would be over 300 pages!

 

If the GT80S = 6th Gen CPU's, then I have the GT80. I didn't realize that is what the "S" means. Guess I've been typing it wrong for a while - wow I feel stupid!

I have the GT80-SLI-001. It is the version with the 4720HQ, 16 gigs ram, and since I've been using the wrong model # to verify my specs, it seems I also have the 256SSD 1TB 7200RPM, and not the Raid. LOL! I went back to my receipt to verify my specs. Sorry I have 3 toddlers and sleep deprivation.

Despite that correction, I still don't understand the valuation, if it is supposed to be based solely upon GPU cost.

 

I don't understand the valuation either since my GT80S with 980 SLI was valued at $3000.

 

Wow, so you're still looking at ~2k to upgrade to the 1080 equivalent of your machine.

What is the exact model of yours so i can add it to the spreadsheet? GT80S-SLI-??? or get me the specs and I'll look it up.

 

GT80S 6QF 072US.

 

I think I have the list of models...

GT72-2PC-DOMINATOR
GT72-2PE-DOMINATOR
GT72-2QD-DOMINATOR
GT72-2QD-DOMINATOR-G
GT72-2QE-DOMINATOR-PRO
GT72-2QE-DOMINATOR-PRO-G
GT72-6QD-DOMINATOR-G
GT72-6QE-DOMINATOR-PRO-G
GT72-2QD-DOMINATOR
GT72-DOMINATOR-DRAGON-EDITION
GT72-DOMINATOR-PRO-DRAGON-EDITION
GT72S-6QD-DOMINATOR-G
GT72S-6QE-DOMINATOR-PRO-G
GT72S-6QF-DRAGON-EDITION-G-29TH-ANNIVERSARY-EDITION
GT72S-6QF-DOMINATOR-PRO-G-29TH-ANNIVERSARY-EDITION
GT72VR-6RD-DOMINATOR
GT72VR-6RD-DOMINATOR-TOBII
GT72VR-6RE-DOMINATOR-PRO
GT72-6QD-DOMINATOR-G
GT72-6QD-DOMINATOR-G-TOBII
GT73VR-6RE-TITAN
GT73VR-6RE-TITAN-SLI
GT73VR-6RF-TITAN-PRO
GT80-2QC-TITAN-SLI
GT80-2QD-TITAN-SLI
GT80-2QE-TITAN-SLI
GT80S-6QD-TITAN-SLI
GT80S-6QE-TITAN-SLI
GT80S-6QF-TITAN-SLI-29TH-ANNIVERSARY-EDITION
GT83VR-6RE-TITAN-SLI
GT83VR-6RF-TITAN-SLI

So the above user's GT80S 6QF 072US is a variation of GT80S-6QF-TITAN-SLI-29TH-ANNIVERSARY-EDITION.

My GT80-SLI-001 is a variation of: GT80-2QE-TITAN-SLI. I am guessing the -001 changes according to exact build (RAM / HD).

I went through the support page and clicked through the model type drop downs. This would cover build types, but wouldn't really cover exact config like CPU speeds within that generation, Memory Size, or HD size/configs.

From here, it looks like they further break down into builds, which seems to be what the 3 digit number code corresponds to? I am trying to reverse engineer MSI's naming convention, so I could use some help... especially since the older models aren't even list by 3 digit build code any more.

I wish they would just post the spreadsheet with all of the trade values.

 

So this is for Canada.

This is the original offer from MSI USA to me in Canada.

On Nov 24 I sent the following:

Nov 30, Dec 6 I resent my requests.

I finally got a reply:

So from what I understand from the replies. I have one option for an upgrade (GT72VR w/ GTX 1070 @ 950$ CAD) and it will be the only upgrade ever offered, no offer to go to 1XXX series card. Am I reading this right? If so, I am utterly disgusted but at least the choice will be that or nothing.

This is my laptop currently:

MSI GT72 Dominator Pro i7 4710HQ 24GB 1TB 256GB SSD 17.3in FHD GTX980M 8GB BD Win8.1 Gaming Notebook

So from what I gather, the GT72VR will have a better processor, no DVD drive and some different SSD slots (don't really care as long as I have what I have right now), along with the 1070. Is that the gist of it for 950$ CAD?

Thanks for any reply setting me straight!

 

The way i am reading it is you you can choose any of the options in the list at the price listed below each option. But yes i agree with you that they are saying you get one upgrade and that is it.

 

Don't feel bad - Feel Human - it's very Human.

The valuations are what they are, you can question them if you like, and it might help, but I would assume they went through a process to arrive at those values higher up in the chain of command.

It doesn't hurt to ask, but people have been finding that the few people working on this soon pass on owners with too many questions and start on another owners request - it's the "low hanging fruit" rule of triage.

Those responses you quoted are very much like the first gen responses we have seen from the MSI USA Trade-in Team, but they have changed over time. You should request updated information from who you are working with on the MSI Canada/USA Trade-in Team before moving forward.

I can't speak for MSI Canada/USA Trade-in Team, but if you are working directly with the MSI USA Trade-in Team, they have been pretty clear about what you are asking.

MSI USA Trade-in Team answers as quotes by them are posted here by me and other owners, and added to the 1st post.

1) You can pick any Pascal GT Laptop model as your trade-in target, you just need to pay the MSRP difference between the example offer and the one you want. And, MSI USA Trade-in Team recently sent that list of laptops with their MSRP to make it easier to find the information in 1 place. I posted it in the last few days, but haven't added it to the 1st post yet.

2) The MSI USA Owners of a Maxwell laptop for trade-in get 2 generations of GPU upgrades through trade-in, once now during Pascal model releases, and once during "Volta - or whatever Nvidia call it" whenever Nvidia releases it and MSI integrates them into GT models.

You should double check with whoever you are talking with on the Trade-in Team before relying on information given to me and posted here, but it is supposed to help disseminate the information quickly to everyone on NBR in the USA - and from what you say Canada too.

I would assume the MSRP prices will be different for Canada, at least they need to be converted at current rates, but again double check with who you have been working with on the Trade-in team to verify the actual costs. You could send them the MSRP image I posted - or the text list - and that should help them.

Please come back and post the new responses from MSI Canada/USA Trade-in Team so we can all be up to date.

Good luck!

 

While I'm dealing with the USA team, it really seems there are different rules for Canadian owners from their replies. They specifically state 1 upgrade and only one choice. I think we're being funneled to the U.S. team simply because there aren't enough Canadians to have our own team but still different rules.

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While that is certainly possible, and I understand what you are saying, the information seems dated.

If you think it clearly states you only get one generation of upgrade, then I would make this one count

Also, I don't know about the limits on the trade-in either, that seems like an odd restriction to allow only 1 choice of trade-in model. We complained about this for the MSI USA Trade-in Team and they opened it up to any GT model available for trade-in, you could try to do the same.

Maybe send another request for answers, telling them you are on the NBR forum and in Post #1 it states the rules differently for MSI USA, is there a different set of rules for Canada.

If you haven't asked explicitly to explain the difference between USA and Canada rules before I would now.

And I would then follow up with, Why are the rules different? What is wrong with paying MSRP difference for a different GT model instead of the single one you have offered me, like you alllow for the US Owners?

@tjg_marantz

That's either SLI-072 or SLI-072US

 

Good advice hmscott. Devil's advocate, if they restrict me to one choice for some reason, is my breakdown of the 72VR pretty accurate?

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FYI - always re-read my posts later, refresh the page or re-access it by going to another page and coming back, as I add info and edit as I think of new important details.

"So from what I gather, the GT72VR will have a better processor, no DVD drive and some different SSD slots (don't really care as long as I have what I have right now), along with the 1070. Is that the gist of it for 950$ CAD?"

The GT72VR's all have a DVD optical drive - at least all the ones I've seen, with no model's having no optical drive and no model's with a BD drive.

The "better" processor is a matter of taste. The 6700HQ doesn't OC like the 47xx series did, Intel locked down all the sku's except the K models, the 6820HK is offered in a GT72VR model in the US:

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GT72VR-Dominator-Pro-015-i7-6700HQ/dp/B01IO9Y35G

Which is why I wonder why MSI still has "Canada Owners" limited to one specific model, and the listed "model" isn't a full model number... I would ask which specific sku number is the trade-in model. That will specify the config.

The other problem is the GT72S that you have vs the GT72VR, big downgrade this year on the features.

First, you lose the CM236 motherboard chipset, and get the lower spec HM170.

Due to that loss, you get 3 less M.2 slots, only 1 M.2 in the GT72VR.

You also lose the hardware MUX switch for the GPU's, so the GT72VR is dGPU only, you can't switch to the iGPU for longer time on battery.

There are other losses too, but those are the ones that hurt the most.

That's why I have been suggesting GT72S owners trade-in for a GT73VR model - they have 3 M.2 slots and the Mux switch, which is I think why MSI USA change the initial rules to allow trade-in for any GT model.

Taking all my text and picking the useful stuff thrown back at the Trade-in person, referencing NBR and MSI USA Trade-in Team could help, I hope so

GL!!

 

I certainly hope so. Thanks for the guidance. I'll craft something and update here as it happens. Thanks again.

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You need to drop the connecting '-', it's written as "GT80 SLI-001"

MSI for that model I think only that that sku -001 that specifies the specific configuration.

the -xxx number is the model configuration specific ID. That's why we ask for it whenever someone gives the generic or long ID, it's quicker to look up the SLI-XXX number.

The info I have, although from google search instead of MSI directly - MSI took down that product page - at least I can't find it from google, the MSRP was $3299:
https://www.google.com/search?num=5...001+msrp&oq=site:newegg.com+gt80+SLI-001+msrp

 

For 2QE there is the -001 that i own. There is also -033US, -023UK, and others. Some are non US.

It is pretty confusing and there are so many models, it looks like it won't be worth the effort unless MSI assists us. As others provide values, i will update the sheet.

 

And, you sent the email to the MSI USA Trade-in Team to get the info too, right?

But, you have the -001 model, as it specifies your config specifically?

And, yes, after that there were lots of -xxx configs. Not so much confusing as voluminous, and without a lot of research MSI USA could help shorten the search.

Reading between the lines in MSI USA's responses so far, there are ~30 different models that qualify for the trade-in.

If MSI USA Trade-in Team did that, you wouldn't be able to save the day for the rest of us

 

Yep, i sent the email yesterday. Still waiting for a reply.

 

I plan to use the upgrade. I have the GT72 2QE 1666 Dom Pro w 4gb 980m. The upgrade will cost me $700 to the GT72 VR Dom Pro w 1070 8 GB.

Does the new GT72 VR have ability to install 4 m.2 ssd? My unit came w 128 M.2 and 1TB but I upgraded to 4x128 M.2 in 2 raid 0 arrays. However my current unit does not support pcie nvme SSD, does the new GT72 VR, if so how many, 4?

The only bummer is losing my i7 5700 which I feel is better than the 6700k, looking for comments as I got reply email from MSI on process. I just wished they would ship unit first, is that an option but I did not buy from one of the Build to Order Resellers.

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I've been keeping up with this thread on and off -- but I'm not going to read over 100 pages of stuff.

What's the collective conclusion? Take the deal or not? I understand the lawsuit has disappeared?

I have a GT80 009 with the 2x980m. According to the email I received from Ming Rong, they want $1400 to upgrade to the GT83 023 or $2400 to upgrade to the GT83 024.

Should I stay where I am, or shut up and take the "deal"? Will they haggle with me for the price?

 

It hasn't disappeared, but nothing will be shared about it on this forum.

As far as to take the deal or not, it is purely personal choice and something that only you can decide as to whether it is fair or not. There are some that feel it is a good deal and have done the trade-in, while there are others that feel MSI isn't fair enough in their offerings and are only making it appear that they are doing something good for their customers while still trying to make money on the trade-in offer.

Basically, there is no definitive answer as to whether to do the trade-in or not, even whether it is fair or not. Good luck in your choice though...

 

But is it a blatantly good/bad deal? Are we clearly being shafted by the numbers they have put forth? I don't keep up to date with the tech to be able to recognize that.

What happens if I refuse the deal? Will I end up having to pay an exorbitant amount for the 2nd generation upgrade?

 

Well I lose my blueray burner/dvd drive, but I dont even use it, I think alot of the pricing depends on what specs you already have.

They got back to me and said to email [email protected], so I did and this time it didnt bounce back.
So waiting to hear back from them, still undecided on upgrade though its either going to be 16Gb/256SSD or 32GB/512ssd £200 diffrence.

 

You might want to do a little research on the one you will be getting in the trade in. Because for what i know the 72vr version do not come with a k variant at all and also it only has one M.2 slot and yes cross shipping is an option . They will just charge you full price on the new unit and send it to you and then you mail them your trade in and they will process it and refund the charge and then charge you the correct amount.

 

So whats the diffrence between :

GTX 1080, 8GB GDDR5X 120HZ/i7-6820HK/ 32GB/ SR-512+1TB GT73VR 6RF(Titan Pro)-035UK 9S7-17A111-035

and

GTX 1080, 8GB GDDR5X 120HZ/i7-6820HK/ 16GB/ 256+1TB GT73VR 6RF(Titan Pro)-220UK 9S7-17A111-220

Besides the mem and SSD.

Is there any specs of the trade in laptops ?
I have looked online and there is still diffrences between computers, which have the same serial codes.

Laptop Directs sell the 220UK 9S7-17A111-220 with i7-6700HQ, I dont want that cpu, I take it thats locked and less power than the unlocked /i7-6820HK.

What else does the laptop come with ?
Is it just a plaine box, with laptop and powerpack or is retail packaging ?

Thanks

 

Compared to what was originally marketed, blatantly bad deal. We are clearly being shafted by numbers and claimed reasoning behind those numbers not matching up (trade in cost only related to cost of gpu upgrade). Now this current deal is the "best" we are going to get out of the situation barring the conclusion (years) of the lawsuit that is in the works and not to be discussed on here.

According to MSI USA you can refuse the deal and still opt into the Gen 2 upgrade down the line but a lot of forum users, myself incldued are looking at the current trade in program and pretty much looking at our "trade-in value" taking an even larger hit before the Gen 2 option becomes available. So taking the upgrade option now can put you in a better position for the "future" trade in program should MSI go the same route.

Now what would really be nice is if us less fortunate people who aren't HMScott could actually get responses to emails to follow through with the program while I am still in the United States on leave from abroad so I don't have to deal with international shipping/extended coverage gap.

 

It's blatantly a bad deal. You can buy an MSI manufactured MXM 1070 for $750, you can sell a MXM 970M or 980M for between $200 and $600 max cost for the upgrade $550.

RJTech list the 1070 for Clevo (made by MSI, so MSI has a profit on that card and so do RJTech), look at completed listings on ebay for sold values of MXM GTX 9** cards (I always used the lowest value, but an average value would be more accurate).

MSI are trying to get people with the GT72 to trade to the GT72VR that has fewer features, and if they want the same features as their GT72 they need to pay a premium to upgrade to the GT73VR.

Very simple.

 

This is a bit of a bummer so an equivalent upgrade is the GT73VR which is way out of budget for me, that would be an upgrade cost of $1k plus what I paid for mine, I would actually pay more than a good sale price had I just waited for the GT73VR. So the 72VR has one M.2 alone , crap, BUT does it support nvme? What is the chipset for that model? I gotta look at this a bit more in depth, don't want to short change myself. Crap my 980m ain't that bad, grrrr

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I updated the sheet with the newly posted laptops. Please post your trade offers. I need the Model you have with the 3 digit number code or your exact specs, and the offer they made with you with the exact model, and price. This will help us figure out the value they assigned to your computer.

http://www.ifshtf.com/files/MSI-GT72-GT80-TRADE-PROGRAM.xlsx

It looks like the SLI-009 is worth $500 more than the SLI-001.
The SLI-009 has an i7 4980HQ - MSRP $623.00
The SLI-001 has an i7 4720HQ - MSRP $378.00
A Difference of $245.00 (prices sourced at: http://ark.intel.com/)
The SLI-009 has 24GB RAM vs SLI-001 16GB Ram.
8GB DDR4 Laptop Ram = 49.99
Total: 294.99

Once again, The SLI-001 is about $200 low on valuation.

 

And this is why this scheme is a scam also:

MSI offered you £2,209 for your notebook, if you take the MSI GT73VR(Titan Pro)-240UK from the list above you pay £209. However, you can purchase that notebook from Tesco for £2,300 link so that's only a £90 saving in reality. Not to mention that Tesco is making a profit on that laptop.

Complete piss take by MSI.

 

It is not a black/white situation. Some models are too expensive, but you can always find a decent deal. People are more hurt regarding the loss of value of their machine over anything else. But part of the loss in value is because indeed there was a large jump in performance.

The older your machine is, the more you stand to "gain" in terms of tech. Meaning new everything. But users that recently bought the previous model tend to sport the same or better specs, except GPU, and that's where it also becomes difficult.

If you refuse the deal, but you provided your info and got in contact with them, you can then participate for the next generation upgrade (provided your original machine is maxwell based GPU, meaning 900m series). However, the value of your machine will decrease by the time new models and GPU launches, so the price will be higher. Or similar, I don't know. I guess by the time volta launches even a midrange offering will have more power than a 980m.

Personally I would almost always go for the lower RAM/ssd config, because price is tricky. You can later find a deal yourself for those parts and have them cost less. But that's just me. For what I use it (mainly gaming) 16GB of ram is more than enough. And the SSD I literally only use it for windows so I don't have problems there.

You can't just take up the price of a manufactured MXM 1070 because it is not even sure it will work without possible significant modification to the machine, depending on the machine you have. And selling your GPU will be also subject to actually having someone buy it, which customers will surely decrease since it is a dead end upgrade path. You can of course go this route, no one is stopping you, but I wouldn't go modding my machine for 750dlrs in hopes it work, and also have hopes someone will buy my previous GPU. And you also need the required tools to mod the machine. And this is also considering a user willing to work on their machine.

So no, it is not a blatant bad deal for all scenarios. It might be depending on your uses, and the models (like you pointed, GT72VR has less features compared to a GT72/S, and a non upgraded CPU performance at all). Uses depends entirely on what you need it for. Some obviously care about the missing features, and they are something not even GT73 can cover (like the lack of optical disc), but others don't care, and thus their value is lower-to-meaningless.

I still can't believe how limited the 6700HQ is. 6th gen CPUs are either entry level or max level performance, no inbetween.

 

I believe that it does have one nvme and one sata

 

Can anyone understand what the hell that means? When was there an 'inquiry', whom was involved, what was it about?

What the hell MSI, get yourself together and proofread information being sent to customers.

 

Yeah, it does suppor nvme, just not RAID. I think only one slot does.

 

GT72VR 1 slot SSD NVME, GT73VR 2 slots NVME and 1 slot SATA both plus 1 HDD.

 

Thanks for the update that the [email protected] address is working again

 

Thanks for the info. At this point I would consider even taking the least expensive upgrade option for my GT72 Dom Pro which would be GT72 w/o G Sync but w a 1060, for $100 more I get 1070 and G Sync.

I lose Thunderbolt 3, mxm graphics switchable option and raid ability moving to 1 nvme/m.2 slot w GT72VR

With upgrade to GT72VR I gain reduced power consumption, nvme, 6th Gen CPU & up to 64 DDR4 support vs 32gb DDR3 max support and a 10 series gpu w 8gb VRAM that will be upgradeable vs current 980m 4gb.

Who else is currently rocking a 5th Gen MSI GT72 2QE 1666 Dom Pro?

This is a tough decision for me as I bet second gen upgrade option will cost more as my 5th gen unit will depreciate further. How well will a 980m hold up if I am not playing the latest games regularly, more so older titles, Assetto Corsa, Far Cry 3&4, Half Life 2 Deathmatch, Crisis here and there, that's about it.....

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On the other hand, buying an upgrade package would have come with having a MSI "tech" install it along with a labour warranty (you'd hope!!), and that would not come for free, it'd be priced in. So it's not a direct equivalency between sell price on eBay and retail buy price of MXM card.

I agree with your general point though. MSI have contradicted themselves - "cost of GPU upgrade only" yada yada then are claiming more ram/storage/new unit/reset warranty/whatever justifies an asking price above that. But by far the stinkiest thing about this trade in is that they are pocketing the profit that would usually go to the retailer if the unit were sold by anyone else other than direct from MSI.

 

FWIW, MSI has still not gotten back to me. hmscott, I think you're alone in having them answering your emails. lol.

 

I dont really care what MSI value my machine at, it is the amount I need to pay for the upgrade that is the issue.

They could turn around and say your laptop is so badly damaged/with such a poor spec. etc. that we will only give you a tenner for it, I could not give a rats asss about that, it is the fact that all they should be saying is 'the closest laptop to yours is 'xyz' laptop, in order for you to upgrade the GPU it would have cost you £XGBP, therefore pay the amount for upgrading the GPU and you get this upgraded laptop.

In the UK it may well be worth waiting until after Christmas to agree any deal as you may well be able to better negotiate due the sales having started and the laptop that you are after may have fallen in price.

For those interested, not sure I am going to get anywhere with the retailer I bought from, I will give more details after I contact CAB again when I next get a chance which will be Wednesday.

 

I checked my emails and I did send it too, [email protected] not sure where the typo came from and originaly it did give me the above responce.
The servers may of been turned off, because it was a friday evening and coming towards the weekend, i dont really know how many people they have to check the email address.
But I guess it stops a massive backlog, if they shut down the servers, nothing worse than coming into work with a **** load of emails.

Good proof reading, the email is indeed, [email protected]

 

Thats capitalism for ya, even if you sold your laptop do you think you can get a new one any cheaper sold by retail ?
I`ve had a look and most retail sells them at MSI prices, so your not going to get them for trade prices.

Sadly, this is another technologicaly jump in hardware, I dont think its possible to buy a new laptop with the same specs of some older models only with newer gpus and MSI cant suddenly create a new line of old spec new gpu`s laptops, then there is bottlenecks in hardware, would there even be anypoint putting a super fast gpu in a older system.

So instead they are offering upgrades which sadly cost alot of money, but its really hard for me to say much as I dont know what you guys have or what your situation is.