GT72/GT72S and GT80/GT80S Owners GPU Upgrade Discussion

This is mostly inaccurate.

It's very difficult to find a reseller (in the UK at least) selling at MSRP.

This isn't a jump in hardware for a gaming notebook. 6th gen i7's bring no benefit over my 4th gen, ddr4 has no measurable benefit, PCIe brings a minute loading speed increase.

MSI are out to profit from their screw up at a cost to us the customers and that is simply unacceptable.


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Thanks @Neo79 - glad you finally got through

If the deal is acceptable to you, you like / want the new Pasal laptop, then you are in the fortunate position of wanting to move forward immediately and MSI USA has been good at following through these trade-in's quickly once started.

From what I have seen posted here when most owners get contacted with a quote, and the owner accepts the offer the transaction occurs quickly, with emails getting quick response through the completion of the transaction.

The only haggling I have seen work is when the owner has upgraded DDR4 RAM / PCIE Storage and wants to use it in the new laptop - MSI will sell the new laptop without RAM / Storage and will reduce the price accordingly - basically a 2nd offer from MSI USA for the trade-in without RAM/Storage. You do need to have the original MSI RAM / Storage included when returning the old laptop.

I haven't seen any owner posting that they offered less, and had that counter offer accepted - maybe someone that has successfully done this can speak up.

Making a lower counter offer seems to stop the interaction - IDK if MSI USA Trade-in Team needs to push the counter offer up the management chain and that is taking a long time to accept or reject, but owners are posting that they stop getting emails from MSI after making counter offers.

My guess is that since they are short on people they are working through all the owners that want to accept the offer now and follow through now.

Please come back and let us know how MSI USA treats you and how things work out

 

I'm posting from that same rig now, and I currently have no plans for "upgrading" to the GT72VR. While not everyone would have the same issues wit the move as I do, I would be losing a few of the very things that swayed me to this laptop over the Asus G751JY for instance.

It seems with this program, it really depends on what you have, what you need, and how much you're willing to pay for it. Since we're rocking "lower end" versions of these high end laptops, and the equivalent versions are now further lower on the totem pole, we're all but SOL.

So what's going on with the lawsuit then? Who do I need to contact to get involved with that?

 

The GT73VR 1070 / 1080 models aren't a good fit / trade-in price for you?

What is the trade-in price for the minimum config 1070 / 1080 from your current laptop?

Do you have M.2 / Storage components that you could move into the GT73VR?

Maybe that will save some $ off the trade-in cost; MSI has been ok leaving out Memory / Storage from the trade-in - giving you full MSRP credit off the trade-in price.

You could start the process with MSI to try to get one you want for a price that works for you.

 

[email protected] Email Carl to be added to the database of those involved in bringing a class action against MSI for this BS.

 

Actually thanks for this idea. I am going to inquire what MSI will reduce my $700 upgrade cost to by leaving the 128 M.2 SSD out as well as 16GB DDR4 which I can access pretty cheap. Shipping is an easy $45-50 hit as well, but I may be able to reduce the upgrade to just over $500. The GT72VR's biggest benefit to me will be longer use with the higher gpu

I assume since the unit will have had a Win 10 license installed and tied to motherboard all one needs to do is install the appropriate OS MS, Win 10 64.

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Yes, but another piece of sage advice is to always use the vendor backup tool to make a bootable restore image of the OS before blowing away the recovery partition with a from scratch MS media install.

MSI BurnRecovery takes about 20 minutes to backup to a fast USB 32GB 3.0 flash drive. The recovery image was 19GB last I did it, so it's too large for a 16GB flash drive.

I also make a Macrium Reflect bootable flash recovery drive, both of the out of the box OS image and after the first rounds of Windows Updates and driver installs are done, before I move into app installs.

It's a real pain to blow away the out of the box image, and then need it for one reason (testing before RMA) or another (selling it) down the road.

When asking for a quote on the trade-in price for the system without RAM / Storage, just tell them you have your own, rather than explaining much more.

I've learned to keep the text straight forward and plain when communicating with vendors using English as a 2nd language.

GL!!

 

No, because I am still having to fork out $700 for the GT72VR, $900 for the GT73VR Titan...GT73VR Titan Pro $1500, which is the closest internal BluRay, and the lowest tier to get into a 1080. Also dont know if it fits in my backpack; the GT72 barely does.

I am already using two m.2 slots, and should I want to continue to add more SSD, I'm not one to buy a bigger one, transfer my old stuff to the new one, and toss the old one. I use them cumulatively. Occasionally you find a good deal on one and want to double up. I dont have that option with the 72.

I'm also very much against the idea of having to get an external BR drive if I want to do anything BR related. Just one more thing of weight and cost to add to my backpack in case I might want to use it somewhere, one more thing that can be damage in transit. If I didnt already buy a laptop with one and instead planned on an external one, it might be different.

I'm willing to give up the GPU switch, as it's nice to have but never used. Everything else is fairly regularly used by me

 

So one would be making this image from their current GT72 I assume. Soon as I got my unit I did a backup and then installed the the original M.2 SSD to port 2, I then added my own M.2 and cloned the original to it. After that I pulled the original M.2 put it in an anti static and placed it in original box. I have to think if this is the route I want to go because it sounds like once they accept the trade it moves quick and realistically I can't do till end January


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A bit confused, the GT73VR doesn't have an Optical Disk slot, do you mean the GT83VR Titan Pro @ $1500 trade-in cost?

There is a GT73VR 1080 as well. No optical drive, but it should be much cheaper than the GT83VR 1080.

Check the GT73VR specifications page for size / fit.

The GT83VR is much larger and won't fit in many bags. The GT80 fits in the Oakley Kitchen sink and Everki Titan among a small number of larger 18" laptop bags.

That's why I don't recommend the GT72VR, it's too limited in storage options. The GT73VR only has 3 M.2 slots, whereas the GT72S had 4. And, the GT73VR doesn't have an optical bay.

Yeah, it definitely sucks that MSI left out the ODD slot in the GT73VR. But, there are a buncha people that have been complaining about how they never use the ODD and don't want it included in their laptop's any more.

Everyone seems to forget that the next generation 4k BD is coming, and we need that ODD slot available.

Yeah, except for me it did save me a couple of times to be able to boot on iGPU and get more battery time on my GT80... without needing to mess around with Optimus.

It sounds like a GT73VR + External BD is best for your situation. The GT83VR is going to be a lot more cumbersome to backpack vs. a GT73VR + slim BDR

By end of January you may hit a snag / gap - MSI might be out of the Skylake models for trade-ins, and MSI won't be ready with the Kaby Lake models for trade-ins. Timing for trade-ins may be tricky during model line transitions.

It might be more expensive to do the trade-in if you wait, either paying more for the new laptops or getting less as a trade-in. It's always possible it will be exactly the same, but there is no solid info.

Also, if you have a backup image from Windows 8.1, it likely will not work with the Skylake laptop shipping with a Windows 10 license.

And, if MS's threat comes to pass, that Windows 7/8.1 won't work on a Kaby Lake CPU laptop, then it definitely won't work - and Windows 10 will be the only choice.

So I would keep the Windows 8.x backup to try it, but I would also get another 32GB USB 3.0 flash drive to backup the Windows 10 out of the box OS image's too

 

My GT72 Dom Pro G came w Win 10 on it , I did not purchase it from a build to order reseller. If the price or item is not available end of January I will just have to wait and possibly pay more. But I am not gonna be forced into getting the upgrade because I am constrained by time. I can only look at the GT72VR as an upgrade, nothing more as much as I would like to. I left the desktop world and bought the GT72 as my computer I would have for at least 3 years and after 2 I planned to upgrade the gpu. Now I got screwed.

Who knows though it will be interesting to see if someone can get a 1060/1070 into the 5th gen units, is there still a slim chance of that ? If not I will just have to use it and live with it till I can afford to spend the cash to upgrade, the budget for pc gear is fixed as other things in my life have a much higher priority, like modding my WRX, lol

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Are you in the US? Why not bear with an alternative such as a desktop first and talk to MSI for a better upgrade?

 

Yes I am in US, I am not really sure what MSI will do for a better upgrade aside from offering me something in the GT73 series. A 1060 is better than my 980m but their 1060 offering does not have a G Sync panel and is even worse than the GT72VR. The way I see it now is I am losing some great features to get the 1070 alone. I may respond to their email w some simple questions and see where that goes.

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From what some users had experienced, you can try negotiate your way in for an upgrade that better suits your needs. So yeah, give it a shot. No guarantee though.

 

Yes, I meant the GT83VR. Regardless, this program just isnt doing it for me

 

Be sure and let MSI USA know that. Be nice and be specific, let them know what doesn't work for you, and ask if they have any suggestions.

It might not get you anywhere now, but with the next generation models with Pascal around the corner, you would be setting up positive communication with them for that round of trade-in's.

Letting them know what's wrong with these first choices for trade-in, so MSI can make better options available in the next Pascal model releases.

It looks like we might get 3-4 shots for upgrading GPU's 2x; with 2 model releases per GPU generation - new models based on tech other than the GPU.

Something to consider, don't burn bridges yet

 

I work in customer service, so while I'm not thrilled about the situation, I do not blame anyone in particular, nor do I take it out on anyone. There's no reason to get uppity in this situation, as it helps nobody.

I've made it clear that I'd like to keep the functions that I bought, though I'm not getting much in the way of reassurance, budging on ideas/pricing, and still very little communication.

I'm definitely worried about the next generation (GTX 11xx) being released just in time for my laptop to be entirely obsolete, and thus not worth anything with the trade in. I'm also fairly certain that if you opt in for the trade in program now, they will not let you trade it in again for the 2nd generation. I would be very surprised if they let you trade it in twice like that.

 

Each person needs to confirm this with MSI USA personally, because so far MSI USA Trade-in Team hasn't published their public Answers FAQ.

MSI USA Trade-in Team has confirmed 2 generations of upgrades, either doing both or just 1 - either one.

Here are a couple of quotes from MSI USA - copied from Post #1:

2) How long do we have to take advantage of the trade-in, many of us can't spend that much money on such short notice.

No time limit or final date for the trade-in was included in the offer letter. I was expecting to be able to pick my time to upgrade over the next 2 years.

"There is no deadline for the applicant to decide to accept or decline the trade for the 1st generation GPU upgrade.

Applicant may opt out of the 1st gen GPU and wait for the 2nd Generation GPU upgrade."

And:

"Hi Scott,

If you decide to opt in for the 1st gen upgrade, you will still be able to upgrade for 2nd gen.

Only users that previous purchase GT70(s)/GT80(s) with 9xx series will be qualify.

To be honest, we’re not sure what NVIDIA have up in their sleeves, but as far as we know the 2nd gen gpu that we are honoring will be 11xx series.

We do not know if NVIDIA will consider 11xx series as Volta or whatever name they come out with.

We do not know what the next gen GPU price will be, it may be similar, higher, or lower to this generations. Again, it’s up to NVIDIA."

On the other hand, here is a recent email snapshot posted here by another owner, and it only mentions the choice between taking the 1st Upgrade to Pascal or the 2nd Upgrade to Volta, not both. See number 6.

Spoiler: Recent email from MSI USA Trade-in Team

I will email MSI again with that image and re-confirm whether we can trade-in 2x, during the 1st Pascal Upgrade and again during the 2nd Upgrade for Volta as promised.

I am posting answers to questions I asked MSI USA Trade-in Team just like other owners have done. I don't work for MSI, or speak for MSI.

Please read everything MSI USA Trade-in Team sends you, and ask / confirm everything with MSI USA Trade-in Team before following through on your trade-in.

Please help us all out and post what you ask and get answered from MSI

 

Posted in the GT73VR thread, 2 videos - unboxing and review (long):

The Official MSI GT73VR Owners and Discussions Lounge
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...cussions-lounge.794968/page-146#post-10409729

There are 5 models of the GT73VR 1080 showing on newegg, from $2599 to $3749:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100157995 50001312 601206491 4814&IsNodeId=1&Manufactory=1312&bop=And&SrchInDesc=GT73VR&Page=1&PageSize=36&order=PRICE

2 models (3 sellers) of the GT73VR 1070 showing on newegg, from $2078 to $2299:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100157995 50001312 4814 601206490&IsNodeId=1&srchInDesc=GT73VR&Manufactory=1312

And, 3 models of the GT73VR 1070 SLI showing on newegg, from $2899 to $3799:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100157995 50001312 4814 601206488&IsNodeId=1&srchInDesc=GT73VR&Manufactory=1312

If you are looking for the lowest cost model to trade up to a GT73VR from a GT72VR, those are some good choices

 

Ok, I guess its down to productions lines then, MSI and Intel are always pushing the next gen of what ever.
I dont think they are able or willing to produce a line of laptops with older cpus.
If they dont make 4th gen cpus with 1080 cards, how can they create trade ins ?

They would need to create a totaly new motherboard and redesign things.

Well Cant argue there, it seems that some laptops are coming down in price, which is beating msi offer.
I guess you could try and sell privatly and go from there, but thats more of a pain to do.

I would of liked a cheaper 1080 SLI offer, As I`m not paying those prices for a 1070 and shelling out almost £1590 isnt going to happen.
Some of the prices do seem a bit strange, but saying that we dont really know the true specs of each machine.

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Yeah, there are only 2 GT83VR 1080 SLI models listed on newegg right now, and both are over $4k, $4299 and $4699:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100157995 50001312 4814 601206466&IsNodeId=1&Manufactory=1312

But, the GT80S 980 desktop SLI laptops were the same or even higher in price.

 

I know what 'inquiry' means I meant the sentence as a whole.


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lol, sorry thought it might of been a usa UK lost in translation thing,

Expensive, what I have noticed on vids and pics, that on most GT73VR 6RF, there is an extra slot. Is this for a 2nd GPU ? I`m sure I saw a video or a comment somewhere which surgested it.

 

Yes. The GT73VR can sli 1070's.


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GT73VR 1070 SLI, with 2 x 230w PSU's + coupler box for the PSU's, just like the GT83VR 1070 SLI

Check my post for newegg GT73VR models:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...rade-discussion.795236/page-375#post-10409758

 

Still not sure but found a better pic.



Cool, so if a none sli, still has the slots I wonder how much an extra card will cost ?
Would it need new heat sinks and fans ?

 

More to the point, the MSI laptops with a single 1070 MXM GPU doesn't have an SLI connector, and so far MSI isn't selling a 1070 MXM GPU with the SLI connector. It's only found in the 1070 SLI laptops.

The MSI 1070 MXM GPU Eurocom is selling as an upgrade for the Clevo P870DM also doesn't have an SLI connector, so you can't upgrade the Clevo to 1070 SLI.

 

Thats a shame, I`m just going with a single 1080,just wondering if there will be any future upgrade path or if this is going to be it.
Not complaining, 1080 should be good enough for VR, for a long time, not as if I`m going above 4K or to silly resolutions. its the only reason why I want an upgrade, as the 980 desktop is a good card for my laptop res, I just think its not quite cutting it for the vive.

 

If you are upgrading from the 980, the 1080 is a good choice, only surpassed by the 1080 SLI, but that's a noisy beast

 

Thanks for those!
I will watch them on my commute.

 

Have any UK based people asked for a quote with a damaged laptop? Mine has a small crack in the screen surround plastic, I have asked how this will affect the price, no reply as of yet though.

My laptop is the GT72S 6QF(DominatorProGDragon)-032UK and the trade in price they had given me was £1819, with the original retail of the machine being £2599.

 

I do wonder why there is a price diffrence between yours and mine, when did you buy it ?
mine was in july 2016.

 

I bought mine in January 2016. What was your offer? I tried going back through posts and looking but am on mobile.

 

I looked at yours online and it looks like the same except my model number is GT72S 6QF(DominatorProGDragon)-094UK
I was offered £2209. original price £2599
Bought in june 2016

Does it go on time or is it a lottery ?

It just gets confusing, so many diffrent models which are all very simular.
I do wonder what the diffrence is.

 

From looking at it here: http://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/9S7-178344-094-MSI-GT72S-6QF(Dominator-Pro-G-Dragon)-09_1917427.html there's no difference in specs I can see, different included bag though.

 

The 1070 SLI performs better than the 1080 solo from what I've seen..?

FYI. Since Saturday I have not had any further contact with MSI.

 

I have not been contacted in 1 month 13 days.. almost 1 message every week.. still nothing... so.. be patient.. i guess.

 

Did you receive an initial response though?

 

If the application software, game, benchmark, etc support SLI that's true, the 1070 SLI will outperform a single 1080.

But, if the software only supports 1 GPU, then the single 1080 will outperform the 1070 SLI - because the software only "see's" the single 1070.

That's the choice when building a computer with SLI of less than the top GPU.

If you have a 1080 SLI then even if the software only runs on 1 GPU it's still the fastest single GPU available.

It's a trade off.

I wrote a few posts ending in this last post about 1070 SLI, with other user comments, you might check out those thread posts for some additional perspectives:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...scussion-thread.794965/page-349#post-10409706

 

Seemed like a weird comment to describe the succession of the single '1080' to be the '1080 SLI' if you're using the logic that SLI is a non-factor due to it being excluded from certain software? Then it wouldn't be supplanted by the 1080 SLI any more than the 1070 SLI would.

I thought maybe somehow the single 1080 GPU outperformed the 1070's in SLI and you were excluding it intentionally. Hence my question mark.

I will check out the post in a bit to see your additional comments.

Edit: Of all the software and games I've used or played recently, I haven't come across any that have not supported SLI..

A recent patch to Rainbow Six: Siege disabled SLI briefly, and I 'forced' it to render SLI in the Nvidia utility which caused no problems at the time..

Outside of that, nothing in recent memory.. Are there any popular titles or software tools that don't utilize SLI but are graphically intense enough to prefer a single 1080 over a 1070 in SLI?

 

It's funny, when I suggest SLI many point out the non-SLI supporting titles, of which there are enough to make sure people understand SLI isn't a slam dunk for being the top performer.

That's why I pointed out the 1080 SLI is the best SLI to get so that even if an app doesn't support SLI, you still have the highest performing single GPU to fall back on. With a 1070 SLI laptop it could be outperformed by a single 1080 laptop on software that only uses 1 GPU.

VR apps only use 1 GPU for the most part, I think some of the technical demos like the VR Performance test use dual GPU (VR SLI).

Many new games only come out single GPU, and then the developer puts out SLI support through Nvidia and/or a game update.

You need to look at every game to see if it has SLI support. Google it
https://www.google.com/search?q=non...rome..69i57.2498j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Nvidia used to keep a list of games that support SLI, somewhere in their SLI section I assume, but I don't see it off-hand:
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/sli

The real drag (pun intended) with the SLI machines this generation is that they *require* 2 physically independent Power Supplies merged together with a physical Coupler box - with the associated mass of wires between all those parts, the wall power, and the laptop

 

I've just been playing SC2 in 4K which has no official SLI profile but worked fine with it forced on via AFR (either type 1 or 2) set from Nvidia control panel. So it is possible

 

Yes, but not all games will support SLI, even with a hack, but everyone tries to get the non-SLI games working in SLI when you have an SLI computer. It can become a time consuming never ending hunt to get games to support SLI, some never do.

That's the other thing about SLI, you need to have an awareness and dedication to interactions for tuning and hacking to get it to work, often enough that you should know going in it's gonna be your thing as part of being an SLI owner.

With a single GPU, you just need to worry about game settings, Nvidia 3D settings, and OC'ing your GPU / CPU to get optimal performance. Adding SLI makes add's whole 'nuther range of possibilities to be aware of.

I enjoy it, but some don't, and complain about their time with SLI as being burdensome, focusing on all the negatives - some people get OCD about not being able to get a game to support SLI - *that one single game that is the center of their lives*

All good stuff to be aware of before getting / building an SLI computer.

 

I used the 'LMGTFY' link you provided and still can't find an accurate list of what's not supported.. Even the mentioned recent Wolfenstein titles I don't recall having issues with when I forced the sampling.. Hmm.. *shrug* And I'm quite an avid gamer.. -- I was just wondering if you personally could recall any newer titles that had this issue.

So you're only saying the 1080 SLI is better than the 1070 SLI to the 1080, because if it doesn't support SLI you're getting the same performance either way? Ok, I can see that.

Not a big concern for me, still waiting for VR to mature a bit.

This has not been my experience at all recently..

Also a non-problem for me. I used to carry a 60+lb bag with me everywhere full of my text books and the additional measly 8lb laptop I slung over my arm throughout college.. even if they're slightly bulkier than the large GT80's. God forbid I need to shift a few pieces of desk things around.. lol (If they can be stacked without worry of fire-hazard, hell, might even be better than my GT80's) -- I mean think of the workout! Free exercise functionality included with purchase!

 

Yeah, the GT83VR / GT73VR are huge thick in back, look at the side views in review videos.

They are both definitely instruments of war, when you run out of ammo, pick up your SLI laptop to bludgeon the enemy, then tie them up with all those power supply wires

There is so much mass in the bag with the GT80 + one heavy 330w PSU, I can only imagine what it will be like with 2x 330w PSU + adapter box, plus GT83VR's bulk. Wow.

Most lists of games for SLI are lists of games that support SLI, not lists of games that don't support SLI.
http://www.game-debate.com/news/10694/complete-list-of-compatible-nvidia-sli-supported-games

I don't buy non-SLI games, I only have one in mind from watching for SLI support over a long time - ARMA - that I wanted to get, but it didn't support SLI, but now it does. Otherwise I check each game out when I get interested in it, I don't keep a list of non-SLI games handy.

There are a lot of games I recall that didn't support SLI, but months or a year later they finally did.

Remember I am a proponent of SLI, so I am always going to think positively about it, so I need to be careful to not over promote it, gotta mention the pitfalls too

It's important for someone thinking of getting an SLI computer to know all the pitfalls before hand, otherwise they are gonna come back later and complain that you didn't tell them their favorite game doesn't support SLI!!

I am not gonna dedicate my life to keeping a list of SLI / non-SLI games, especially when they change so frequently. New Nvidia drivers break SLI all the time, as often as new games get SLI support in new drivers, it's an ever changing list.

You are welcome to build such lists, keep them to the minute updates, and publish them for all to benefit

@KommandantKavu

Here you go, you can always count on an SLI detractor to climb out of the darkness to bad-mouth SLI, and you can count on them to keep an up to date list of a handful of the latest games that don't yet support SLI as their *huge* reason to poo-poo SLI

That list used to include almost every new game at release.

After a few months each and every one drops off the list as SLI support is added.

DX12 might take longer, but it already supports multiple GPU rendering - not SLI - but still it will use both of your GPU's, eventually.

 

If you don't mind me asking, how many unofficial SLI fixes for games have you published, and what is your knowledge of NvAPI, DRS API, and SLI-related bits and driver hacks? Just food for thought before you poo-poo my educated assessment of SLI.

 

I didn't say your educated assessment wasn't true, I just said you can always count on an SLI detractor to pop out of the darkness with a list of new games that don't currently support SLI

If you look back at the recent SLI discussion posts here, @KommandantKavu was looking for a list of non-SLI supporting games, and there you are with just that list at the ready

 

On the contrary, most of the SLI fixes I've published have been for older games or games whose SLI support has been broken in more recent drivers. It's much more difficult to hack in SLI for newer titles due to non AFR-friendly rendering techniques and the limited number of SLI-related functions in the driver.

 

Are they larger than the GT80's?

See, tons of possibilities! Turn those double power brick into some kind of Nunchaku!

I was in no way presuming you'd do such a thing. I almost never even check now for SLI support, it's never been a real issue for me (besides flickering). Total War and BF1 come to mind for shadow issues (but I've even fixed those with modified in-game settings).. But Titanfall 2(though I purchased it over thanksgiving, so it's probably gotten patches) I haven't seen ANY issues with.. runs smooth as butter. (The rest aren't my kind of game)

I don't want to sound like I'm being a contrarian, I just personally from my limited anecdotal experience, have had almost no issues with SLI besides very few select instances.. But no more than any new single GPU.. Maybe I'm just extremely lucky?

This is fair!

I'm not even sure why we are discussing this in the fashion of you being against it and me defending it. My request was fairly innocuous, I had no ill-intent, was simply curious.

 

Well you kinda need to be able to argue a point from both sides to be able to understand all the facets of something.

Yeah, the GT83VR is big time bigger in back than the GT80. Looking at the internals you can see why, the cooling system is multi-level and too tall to have fit in the GT80 height case.

This video has some interesting views.

04:30-05:00 PSU's, connector box, cables, weight 6 lbs 9 oz

05:20-06:00 laptop weight 11.7 lbs, and side view of huge height 3" in back 2" in front.