MS16F2 along GTX580M (dell, rev3)

Yeah I have a copy of Xonar's unlocked MSI GT780XXX 30e bios if you need

 

Yeah I know, I checked it doesn't have any added component, it's just the soldering iron.

 

So -=$tR|k3r=-, did you get your MSI 580 working?

 

Wow... I might get this instead of the Clevo I was planning on getting. The three year warranty, Same CPU, 580M, and the standard Matte screen are VERY enticing here...

Does the keyboard come backlit naturally? If so, I'm sold. ^_^

 

I'm not sure about the 15" model, but the backlit keyboard comes as an optional upgrade on the 17" model for about $90. Worth it IMHO.

 

Ken,

There does appear to be a small difference here. It looks as though a terminal was added (below EC-62) to the 580M MB. If so, is there any other component addition on the opposite side of the MB..... perhaps connected to this terminal...... a diode, resistor, etc. etc. etc.? Two pics (570M & 580M MB's) of EC-62 on the opposite side of the MB would be helpful.

570M MB:



580M MB:

Not yet...... I need more clarification to the above. I am still on the bench in pieces, LOL!

 

All in all, I'm pretty happy, stock clock on the 580m, decent temps, almost 15k on vantage, runs games smooth. I've already done enough over kill, i'm good with throttlestop being my duct tape to make my laptop running above and beyond.

The clown scares me....

Always running logitech G110 keyboard and G500 mouse with this laptop (nice, you can pretty much match the keyboard colors between the laptop and the keyboard) but when I type with the laptop keyboard, very responsive, well lit, never a problem since I've owned it. Also use xbox controller with this laptop, very straight forward also, easy to use.

 

I hear ya..... but my goal is to convert the GT780 to GT783, without the use of ThrottleStop. The mod looks simple enough for any DIY person.

 

Your talking about a very intricate multi layer pcb board and if one of those holes that go to another layer are accidentally connected with solder that seeps through, good luck. So many things could go wrong. At least if msi did it, you could blame it all on them. I like my mutant 780/783 laptop.

The through holes around it look solid but you never know....

 

Not worried at all, and prepared to add a terminal if need be...... not gonna rush into this until everything is clarified, but thamks for your concerns.

Mutant 780/783? I like that..... add that to your SIG! I dub thee the honorary title, "THE MUTANT!"

 

Updated my sig for ya.

 

Very Cool! Thanks Mutant!

 

Uploaded it to rapidshare

The modified bios is titled bios.rom ignore bios115.rom this is me modifying the bios for larger ac adpator ( untested) the bios.rom is xonars original didn't realised I had uploaded mine aswell

https://rapidshare.com/files/3205328926/GT780_30e.rar

 

some additional pictures:

 

Very strange the way that EC-62 solder is done..... ??? I notice how the 'L' shape solder passes over a couple PCB circuit holes..... ??? Again this makes me wonder if anything is there, on the backside of the MB.

Thanks Ken!

 

I think it could be these PCB circuit holes need to be solder too.

There is nothing been added and confirmed it's just a wire by this guy at Taiwanese forums who discovered the mod, he also successfully mod a 570M mobo:

Google Translate

 

That was my hunch, but it seems critical to verify those PCB hole circuits. Is there any way to follow-up with MSI on this..... perhaps get a tech bulletin on the mod? I realize this is a longshot, but had to ask.

 

Thanks for uploading that I'm curious the BIOS needs a mod for a new power adapter? Can you tell us about it? Interesting!

 

Your welcome hope it helps. The 30e standard and xonars unlocked bios both have strings that allow for a 180w ac adaptor max in fact it allows for the 3 options which are not seen in the bios 120w, 150w and 180w, I created a 4th string that allowed for a 230w adaptor to be used but I have not got around to testing the bios yet to see if it actual works I have even allowed this section to be seen in the bios and be a selectable option but just not tested it yet.

 

You and me both just need the clarification

 

That would be my next question as they did the bios update to accept the 180w, now if we could go to 230/240 adapter, would the modified bios update work. Then we get back to the heat issue once you have the power to push it even further would be more heat. Interesting the Alienware did two fans in the M17X and three fans in the M18X.

 

I am running a dell 230watt adaptor and will test the new bios soon, I am at the mo interested in the GT783 wire mod.

 

Looking forward to hearing about your results on both counts

 

Tried to flash the bios.rom using "afudos bios.rom /p /b /n" and it gave me an incompatible error. any thoughts?

"rom file romid is not compatible with existing bios romid"

 

If you have an early bios, try adding a '/x' switch to the comand line.

i.e.: afudos bios.rom /p /b /n /x

MSI has since corrected this issue, and this switch should no longer be needed after flashing to the latest bios.

 

This card has no limit:

Generic VGA video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-2720QM Processor,Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. MS-16F2 score: P4679 3DMarks
Now waiting for the adapter to turn up before going further

 

So the /x worked and then it started blue screen. I thought of something on the way to work this morning (yes work) and decided to load bios default, check the boot sequence, save and exit. It's working. Now to figure out what you guys used to over clock.

I did see under advanced, dimm profile, there is a default dimm profile and xmp profile 1 and xmp profile 2. Guessing this might be one of them.

Guessing the next step is under icc.

 

This is what you need
http://forum.notebookreview.com/msi/615041-overclocking-cpu-16f2-barebone-success-bios.html

 

Thanks for the link, unfortunately not able to overclock at all so far, no setting is stable.

 

You dont need it though, 2860qm is already a beast =)

 

ya, I was already thinking that and I think I will flash the default msi bios back and call it good, it was seeing the correct speed for the ram 1600 at 800mhz, how much more am I going to squeeze out of it....

Sometimes I can't leave well enough alone. Wish I would not have looked at the alienware m17x r3, 240 power adapter, separate fan for cpu and gpu. Besides that, no different than what I'm running but still...like a kid in the candy store...

Thats a nice overclock on your gpu pau1ow, I have yet to try the 92 bios, heres my 750/1800 3dmark11

http://3dmark.com/3dm11/2642078

 

lol Got exactly same score as you with 0.87V and 750/1800 (4111)

This is enough for me to play BF3 flawlessly but always want more so might push the GPU to 825/1880 like 560ti clocks, can't push memory further though as I am seeing green lines

 

Hi everyone . pau1ow i have question for u. When you made holes for fan and ram heatsink in backplate did you notice temperature decreasing ?. And what about warranty did you loose it doing this modification ? it's possible to buy backplate for msi gt683dx?

 

Steru,

I lost my warranty since ages as I sold the default parts which came with my laptop (CPU, GPU). The holes and ram heatsinks definitely help ventilation & cooling, I will need to compare with someone with the same setup but I think I won about 7-8°C overall with the good quality pads and cooling mods.

If you need the heatsink (not backplate as there's no backplate anymore on MSI laptops), you should refer to Majster_msi

 

It's tempting to sell the stock parts (again, changing the cpu and gpu should void the warranty) but the chance I can still honor the three year warranty might warrant keeping the 570m, memory and stock cpu (not like you can get much money for a 2630 and four sticks of stock memory)

On a side note, you would think that having a dedicated fan for cpu and gpu like the alienware m17x R3, you would think it would stay cool. Been surfing curious about this laptop and hearing issues with the bottom staying hot. Also hearing issues with both hard drive channels not consistently running at sata 3. What's up with Dell? Isn't it the H67 chip that gives us the ability for sata 3 on the two hard drive channels? Kudo's to MSI for getting that right. And for being a single fan for cpu and gpu for the MSI, seems the heat is pretty decent.

 

Yep the fact is that the MSI fan is more powerful than each fan on M17xR3 or Sager P170HM and handle not so bad the heat I have to admit.
You can't beat MSI electronics layout I think and that's why I like my laptop

 

Paul1ow, you ever test your SSD performance after running it for a while? and if so, have you seen performance drop yet? I was looking at mine (and currently investigating it) and seeing a drop in write speeds (still better than any hard drive)

 

If you can run a Crystaldisk mark as I find it more explicit than the other drive benchmark, I can have a look too.

 

Mushkin claims they're true performance can be better measure with ATTO due to the way is compresses data or something along those lines....

 

Today i make the holes, added ram heatsinks to my msi gt683dx, gtx570,i7-2720QM and i must say im more than happy temperatures decreased to 75°C cpu and 62°C gpu decreasing 6-9 °C(maximum temperatures) in BF3 full hd and high details.
GPU clocks:720,1700,1440.Pau1ow thank you to convince me to do this modifications Additionally i called MSI service, they told me those modifications don't affects the warranty . Sorry for my english

 

TRIM doesn't work in RAID right?

That's probably the reason for the performance drop.

 

I believe Trim does not until 11.5 irst comes out but garbage collection is supported with Mushkin

 

Good to hear that Steru !!! Well done

 

Garbage Collection usually happens when the system is idle or under low activity; depending on how aggressive Mushkin set it up to be. While TRIM happens pretty much immediately, once data has been "deleted".

So without the TRIM and under constant use, noticeable performance drops can occur.

 

I just drilled some holes also:


Max temps at 820/1640/1960 and 0.92V are back down to 81°C.

Great idea pau1ow!

 

wow 820/1960 @ 81C ? Is it after gaming?

Can you run both Vantage and 3dmark11 @ your clocks and post your temps and score ? I think my holes are too small

And what are your Max core and mem clocks ? I can't seem to go above 870 core and 1860 mem before seeing weir stuffs on 3dmark11

 

That was after two Vantage runs, one at 820/1640/1900 and later at 820/1640/1960.

Raising the memory clock had no effect it seems:
Generic VGA video card benchmark result - Genuine Intel(R) CPU 0 @ 2.40GHz,Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. MS-16F2 score: P18465 3DMarks
Generic VGA video card benchmark result - Genuine Intel(R) CPU 0 @ 2.40GHz,Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. MS-16F2 score: P18115 3DMarks

Playing BF3 at 820/1640/1900 gets it up to 85°C though.

 

Fantastic scores and temps, mem clocks will show very little gains on bench marks can't rememebr if that was in 3d mark11 or vantage it makes no difference, it's the core clock that will make all the difference how high can you go on core clock's before artifact's etc....

 

I had write cache disabled which I'm pretty confident was causing the write speeds to drop. (back to my SSD performance question earlier of course)

 

Seems 840MHz is the max core clock I can reach.

I've gotten the memory clock as high as 1990MHz.