MSI GS60 Ghost/ Ghost Pro Thread

We're running a very similar setup mskiller only difference being the make of thermal compound. I'm baffled by your high temperatures. Is it very hot in your room?

 

Nope, I don't think so at least.. Sometimes I even open windows too.
I'm quite baffled as well, and frankly disappointed :[

 

MSI said anything about a release date on the 4k version?

 

I've done the following tweaks and everythings seems to work propertly now

How to Make the Windows Desktop Work Well on High-DPI Displays and Fix Blurry Fonts

 

keep the scaling disabled and just increase the ZOOM i have mine at 125% crystal clear and sharp text

 

yeah... but look at the tab bar, and bookmarks, and all the button, they are too tiny.

 

OK, I Finally get it Works:

1. Uninstall Google Chrome (Delete Also Navigation Data)
2. Install Google Chrome Canary (The Dev Branch)
3. Go To HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Google\Chrome\Profile
4. Create a DWORD named "high-dpi-support" with a value of 2
5. Disable ppi scaling on the chrome.exe
6. Enjoy

Unlike the Stable branch, i can move the window with total freedom, also no letter spacing glitches

 

Just wanna confirm. I read a bunch and wanna make sure I have all the info before I jump.

The 3k model is IPS display, the 870m is keplar, even though keplar it doesn't overheat, thermal throttling isn't there, loud, exhaust fans similar to a heated PS4/Xbox One, gets warm to the touch when gaming, longevity isn't a concern due to cooling, some users are experiencing WiFi issues but there's a fix, build quality is not the best but fine for day to day. The 17" cools better.

Is this right.

Long story short I ordered a Lenovo Y50 4K non touch model and its gonna take over a month for delivery. So I'm looking else where and the 3k model interests me. Please let me know anything I've missed and please give me any additional info that a consumer may have.

My biggest concern is reliability. I had a MacBook Pro Retina 2012 and if its just as reliable as that hardware wise then I'm fine because that got hot!

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I had the same right side clicking and I also ordered pasting from Gentech. Mine wasn't a low clicking by any means and wasn't related to the fans though, as running the notebook on the power saver profile, with a 10% max CPU state, passive cooling, and a cooling pad underneath still caused it to occur. I sent mine back because that isn't an issue I want to deal with on a $2k toy.

 

Sorry to hear that. You plan on another one?
I feel like my clicking noise is from my 2TB HDD, not sure if that's cause for concern though.

 

Hi, I have a small issue about the sound.
I use option Do Nothing when I close the lid.
When I open the lid any application with sound will be muted (Youtube, Foobar, or MPC player).
To make the sound on again, I should adjust the volume control manually.
Anyone has this issue?
I tried to uninstall Realtek driver but no luck.

 

Have you tried updating the Realtek driver instead?
www.realtek.com.tw, then click on HD Audio Codec driver.

 

The only gripe people have with the build quality is the screen has some flex. It's so thin though I don't know what they expect, other than that it's a lovely laptop.
The 15" seems to run cooler from what I've seen as we have an extra heat sink per corner. This is probably due to it being a newer design.
The 3k is a glossy IPS panel.
People are experiencing heat issues and throttling. I've done extensive tweaking and now have a cooler running laptop that performs better than stock. I have also seen user doing near identical tweaks but still have heat issues. I'd say these more people without problems than there are with.

 

2 questions:

How is the battery life on the pro vs the regular version?

Are the speakers better than the Macbook Pro 13 inch late 2011? That's my current laptop and the speakers on it are not great to say, if the MSI is better, I'm totally fine with it.

 

Ugh, I just realize that my muted sound issue isn't related when closing/open the lid but instead when the display is on/off.
Both closing the lid and when the computer is idle make the display off.
After the display is on again the sound is muted.
I'm still downloading the driver, but somehow my internet connection is kinda slow.
I will try to post the result later.

 

At the weekend I used Svets tool to create a new custom EC fan profile based on the 506 version of EC firmware that is available on the MSI website

The version I created has a silent fan profile with the same values sen7itel used in his 504 and 505 versions;
My version works fine, and the laptop remains silent when idle and of course most of the time when browsing or doing light work.

However when the CPU does eventually heat up a little and the fans do then come on - I notice that they seem to initially spin up to a higher speed then drop to the expected low speed setting (43%), before eventually switching off when they have cooled the CPU enough. The spin up noise is a little distracting.

I know that this "spin up" is quite a common characteristic of some fans. I have not tried the sen7inel silent fan profiles, but I wanted to check if people with the sen7inel versions 504/505 silent EC firmware hear the same high spin up speed initially or observe the same behaviour.

If this is usual behaviour for a silent profile - I will post my version later this week.

 

I think it does mate. I thought he'd done it like that by design. To cool it quickly then it drops down. Can you upload your new EC?

 

I LOVE YOU... Thanks man... Finally.. now, how about the auto brightness adjustment? can anyone fix it?

 

my pro 3K display survive around 3hrs a quarter to half for light browsing + movie. havent tried on gaming yet.

 

add to that a poor trackpad and some blacklight bkeeding. But coming from a mac your used to both of these issues



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This is pretty much how all variable-voltage fans work. You can think of it as "kick-starting" the fan into spinning; if the voltage started straight at 0-->43% instead of 0-->100%-->43%, the fan would fail to spin up entirely.

 

Unfortunately poor trackpads are becoming normal with most laptops. In all honesty the GS60 touchpad is much better than the Y510p I owned...

 

Hmm, I seem to be stuck. I just got my gs60 3k and it won't boot past bios. I tried updating the ec firmware with the new one from the msi website, shut down and stuck a pin to reset the system ram. I followed the instruction from msi and it won't boot into windows. Sorry for being a novice, any help would be nice

It's stuck in an infinite loop, just keeps going straight back to bios every time it restarts

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The trackpad isn't certainly the best I 've howned, it's something in between my old asus rog wich was useless and required an hammer to click and my beloved eeepc 12" wich was great. Both are synaptic by the way.

I'm using it much more I was thinking of, with some tweaking for surfing and light productivity it's definitely a decent hid.

 

As promised earlier, attached here should be a 506 based EC firmware with a "silent" fan profile - this should match the behaviour of the silent 504/505 profile that sen7inel posted previously just with the newer firmware baseline.

However it is the first time I have used svet's tool so I could have made an error. It seems to work on my GS60 pro 870M just fine. As with all firmware use at your own risk

let me know if there are any issues; as I asked earlier if any users that have experience of sen7inels original silent 504/505 could confirm that it behaves the same I'd be grateful.

 

Very helpful thread guys.

Quick question: I've imaged the stock 128gb m2 ssd over to a 2.5" 840 EVO with the intention of booting from the 2.5" drive and using the m2 drive as storage... I'm finding it difficult to get the bios to boot from the 2.5" though. The only options are HDD:boot from windows boot manager, and it always boots from the m2 instead of the new 840 EVO. Any suggestions? Is this not possible?

 

Hey guys!
I've been looking into buying this laptop, more precisely the GS60 2PC Ghost 3K version. It's specs are:
-i7 4710HQ Quad-Core 2.5 GHz
-16GB DDR3
-3K screen
-Nvidia GeForce GTX 860M 2GB GDDR5
-128GB SSD, 1TB HDD

I've been hoping around the thread doing some reading but this thread is huge! I was wondering if you can help me with 5 questions:

1) What's wrong with the wifi? I gather it performs badly under battery use. Is it fixed yet?
2) Anyone have experience with the GTX 860M? Does it get uncomfortably hot like the 870? What are the chances of getting a Maxwell GPU?
3) I've read good things about the build quality, and bad things, what do you guys think? Is it very flimsy?
4) About battery life, I've read people got as much as 4+ hours out of it. Can it get a 3 hour battery life doing wifi surfing and word processing done easily? Or do I have to be reeeeally careful about the screen brightness, etc...
5) Finally is it possible to change or turn off the power button LED? What about the dragon cover LED?


I guess they're a little more than 5 questions, but any answers would be appreciated.
Thank you!

 

1. Not all people have this issue. Fortunately this is driver issue not hardware, Y50 owners also experience the same thing
2. for GTX 860M, It gets warm on the lap but i think it's normal compared to other laptops. I think we don't get a chance for maxwell unless MSI does a refresh.
3. It has some flex mainly on the screen since this laptop is really thin but quite acceptable. The chassis if from Mag Alloy and really strong
4. I think you can go up to 3.5 hours with wifi and light processing
5. The power button LED isn't programmable. The dragon logo also can't be adjusted.

 

From what I've read through the whole topic.

1. The WiFi is a bit of a hit and miss your card either works fine or will have problems connecting and staying connected both on battery and connected to the charger. People have done a few tweaks to make it work well some have worked others continue to have issues.

2. The 860 doesn't overheat it stays at a very comfortable temperature but people feel as though the gains from the 870+undervolting and overclocking are far greater than the heat produced.

3. The build quality is overall very good but the screen has a bit of flex which is expected because of how thin it is

4. The notebookcheck.Net website stated around 3 hours while on mid brightness and surfing on WiFi.

5. The power button LED changes when using the gpu (orange) or cpu (blue) I'm guessing it would be possible if your willing to give it a shot but it's not likely to be easy. And the back dragon cover doesn't have an LED it uses the light from the screen.

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I'd be one of the minority that feels the 860m is the preferred route this generation... very happy with mine, didn't want to deal with the 870m's added heat for a few more frames in some games. 860m's a great solution temp/performance wise in this chassis and requires no tweaks or flashes, etc, and will remain stable and reliable once dust builds up/thermal compound begins degrading.... come check this thread in a year and see how the 870m's are doing that are already at 93C fresh out of the box If it was simple to access the fans/heatsinks it wouldn't be as big of a deal, but it requires a full disassembly of the laptop to access them, significantly more involved than an average user will be capable or willing to do (yes, I've done it myself as I was one of the first with the GS60 and wanted to see inside ha). Plus, you can always apply those same above mentioned tweaks to the 860m for even lower temps. This isn't a knock against the 870m at all so much as it's simply I have both a 780m and the 860m and the 860m is more than adequate for what I'm personally after, ie playing AAA games @ 1080p/high but have no need for 4xAA+ and trying to run with every single eye candy option enabled.

Having said that, when there is a Maxwell refresh next year that provides improved performance along with similar efficient cool temps, I'll be excited about that :thumbsup:

I agree with what others said, build quality is very nice but not Razer/Apple level. I haven't had any issues with the WIFI and rarely use LAN, but I still think it's very dependent on your router and seems to work best on a 5.0ghz AC network.

Enjoy your new machine!

 

I will be buying the GS60 in a couple of weeks and my idea was to buy the Pro but your message left me thinking..

I already have a custom desktop to play games as high as they can go, the laptop would be to last through college and to play games while killing time between classes so I don't really need the hardcore graphics.. I'm able to afford the Pro but I'm wondering if its worth for my case.
Like you said since they run hotter problems are sure to arise sooner .
Are the temps significantly lower on the 860 while gaming?

 

Yes, my gtx 860 runs cool, gets warmer when gaming but similar to my business vaio laptop.
If you don't need very high graphics setting, I suggest to take GS60 non pro.

 

Feel free to check back through previous posts in this thread for further details we've discussed in detail, but out of the box, the GS60 860m will run around 15C cooler than the GS60 870m. In a nutshell, the 870m will run up to 93C and throttle to remain there when pushed, and the 860m will run low/mid 70C's up to around 80C when really pushed.

It is of course slower, but I just don't see it much in games. I've played exclusively on my GS60 since I got it instead of my 780m equipped GT60, and don't notice much meaningful difference, and my 780m scores over 9K in 3DMark11 (my 860m scores ~5300 and the 870m around ~7000). I'm sure your desktop is even faster, so maybe your opinion would be different. I guess my whole point is that neither the 860m or the 870m is a high end solution that anybody should expect to play new games on high settings several years into the future, and short of lowering a couple graphics options I barely notice, I'd rather have the cooler temps.

I too could have simply gone with the 870m but simply didn't like those temps. It's not, IMHO as simple as picking the faster GPU in this case. There's definitely pros/cons to either.

 

From the xoticpc review the highest temp they got was 125° F coming from the air exhaust which isn't as high as the bottom of the pro which gets as high as 172° F! I wish notebook check would do a review on the non pro and non 3k version.

I'm seriously considering the 860 over the 870. I don't have the money yet bit Mayne by the time I do the 960 will come out and the killer wireless 1202 card will drop in price (overclockers has it + an extra 128GB solid state drive for and additional ~£400)

I do wanna know a bit about streaming though cause hey! If you already have a great computer and you're not on the road and want to play games on the big screen but don't want to move your system next to it or run a long cable, or in my case have a TV a few rooms away from your main computer, why not just stream it over your own network? Maybe I'm not too familiar with this topic and want to know more I want to know how viable the gs60 (non pro) is at video game streaming?

 

I don't understand why exactly there would be that much of a difference in heating between the 860m and the 870m? TDP difference is only 25 watts.

The problem I have with the 860m on this laptop is that it's the Kepler version. Compared to the maxwell version, it doesn't only produce more heat (75 TDP vs 50 for Maxwell) but it actually offers less performance (860m maxwell on average has 10% better performance). Thus, getting an 860m on this laptop will feel like getting a worse version of something, whereas the 870m, there is only the 1 version. Compared to Kepler 860m, it should offer around a 40% performance boost. Combine that with the relatively low price in going from 860 to 870m, it would be a no brainer for me if I were to get this laptop.

However, if the temp difference is really as pronounced as people say, then that would be a consideration I gueas

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I tried to update the ec firmware to 506 and I'm stuck in bios. It won't boot to windows.. I've tried to recover the mbr with a windows install disc with no success. Any advice???

Should I try to re-flash the ec firmware by usb? I've been searching for a solution online but there's not much. I'm going to try to recover with a 8.1 install disc if I can get my hands on one.

I'm going to try to call xoticpc tech support tomorrow


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Well, not to be blunt, but you answered your own question.... temps!!! I have to chuckle that you blame the 860m for being a dirty Kepler when better is available but yet don't blame the 870m, which is also the exact same Kelper core, only using more power and runs much hotter. Not sure where to take a response... yes, 870m is faster, yes 870m is much hotter, yes 870m is $100-200 more expensive.

The rub is that the 870m will throttle when pushed stock, and honestly, if a GPU that has that problem fresh out of the box, are you going to pretend it's gonna get better with usage, dust accumulation, and thermal compound degradation? Sure, you can lower temps with flashing a modified undervolted vBIOS and using an external cooling pad, but my question is, what is all that worth?

I struggle to see much difference in actual gameplay. We are splitting hairs here. 870m is faster and hotter. 860m is slightly slower and cooler.

Neither will dramatically change any game performance wise.

 

Hey be77solo what about if I want to play on a larger screen with 1080p? Wouldn't the 870 provide a better frame rate?

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Physical screen size doesn't matter; it's the resolution that plays a factor.

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I'm talking about a resolution of 1080p looking through notebook check they set their high settings to 768 and ultra to 1080p and looking at the frame rate on the 860 it's lacking compared to the 870

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So anyone else having temperature issues like me? Even with mardon's Cool.rom, I still hit 93C, cooler and all with Crysis 3 and AC4.
Maybe I should swap for another one?

 

I guess I "blame" the 860m because I suppose to me, the 860m must be maxwell for it to be worth it to me to "downgrade" to the 860m. I think you are downplaying the difference between the Kepler 860m and the 870m here.

http://d27gsy1ysdham8.cloudfront.ne...TX-870M-Kepler-1080p-in-percentage.png?174598

that graph shows the difference in fps % for 860m maxwell vs 870m. Average of 30%. Notebookreview has put the 860m maxwell vs the Kepler and found the maxwell to perform 10% better. Therefore, we can deduce that the 870m will perform roughly 40% better than the Kepler 860m. I wouldn't call a 40% difference "slight" by any means. That difference is almost twice as much as the jump from 870m to 880m, which is roughly 20-25%

I wasn't denying the heat problems that the 870m brings over the 860m in here, I was merely surprised/perplexed by them as the TDP difference is not that pronounced.

Have people been able to do a good repasting to bring the 870m to bearable temps? Cause if so I truly believe the 870m is definitely worth it over the 860m here.

 

I'd seriously consider it. As previously discussed we running near identical setups and I never ever see 90c even with my OC bios when running on the cooler.

I have no temperature issues and I've Repasted mine along with my own custom vbios. It's definitely controllable. I'm proficient enough to clean the fan and maintain the paste if it degrades. This is not ideal for all users so I can definitely see both sides of the discussion.

 

The best way to settle this is to overclock and overvolt the 860m to as high as it goes then look at the heat and performance and see where the difference is. That's if your after max performance ;-)

 

My 860 runs at about 75 C when running the furmark or 3dmark gfx tests, thats the hottest Ive seen it. I dont use the cooling pad, but it it propped up on one.

 

My wifi still disconnects randomly - ive tried everything (drivers, distance, router, band/channel). Also games often stutter/freeze as well during play, not sure what that's all about either.

 

Thanks everyone! Very helpful.

Coming from a Macbook Retina 15'' I'm a bit of a build quality nutter. Sure, my mac doesn't have the gaming power of many machines but when it comes to useability it has never let me down.
But I miss PC gaming so much and there is only so much I can do with a 60GB windows bootcamp partition and a GeForce 650M, that's why I'm making the switch.

The MSI shouldn't let me down too much regarding build quality, battery life and display quality (the retina is simply amazing to the point I can't use any other computer screens, but the 3K glossy IPS display of the MSI should be a smooth transition). And it will more than make up for it in performance and storage space.

I'm buying it next week

PS - Anyone that has experience with retina displays can back me up on this? Are the display qualities similar?

 

I was wondering if I should try the Collaboratory Liquid Ultra.. Gentech did IC Diamond for me, but that obviously is not working. How were your temps before pasting?

 

My temps weren't too bad. The Coolabratory didn't drop temps drastically. I can't remember them off the top of my head but I did post them.
It could be that the heat sink isn't sight enough or the paste job wasn't perfect..

 

Not sure if this is already known, but the 3k version of the laptop screen actually covers 20% less sRGB and AdobeRGB than the FHD version. Just something to consider

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