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    MSI GS70 Stealth Pro Theard

    Discussion in 'MSI' started by charliex3, Mar 13, 2014.

  1. iManiac

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    My GS70 Stealth -037 came today. I haven't played any games yet, and I still need to install programs that I use a lot and uninstall some bloatware. Also need to get used to working with Windows 8.1. Laptop is very cool and silent when I'm just web browsing, watching videos,etc. I have 2 questions though.

    1. The laptop comes with a disk for the drivers but the Stealth does not have a DVD drive. Can I just ignore the disk?
    2. When the power button is lit up white, that means it's using the Intel integrated graphics right? And when it's orange that means it's using whatever dedicated graphics card you have right? Is there a way to manually control this? Right now I'm just browsing the internet and have a game and some songs downloading in the background, but the power button is lit up orange which means my computer is using my GTX card for no reason.
     
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    I see, definitely a repasting will be needed to help to reduce the heat.
    Or reduce the quality setting so you don't push the GPU to 93C and then receive spikes in performance.
     
  3. LonestarROB

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    I have/had the same issue ( because GenTech hasn't sent me my free USB DVD drive. Grr.. ) . You can get all the latest Drivers, Utilities, and Firmware HERE . :)
     
  4. iManiac

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    Same. GenTechPc told me that they were having a shortage of those free external USB DVD drives so they had to send the laptop and the drive separately. Laptop arrived yesterday and my DVD drive is supposed to be here this Tuesday since Monday is labor day.

    Also, ignore the second question I asked. It seems that that was just a one time thing. After a quick system restart, the power button light has gone back to acting normally and hasn't lit up incorrectly since.
     
  5. LonestarROB

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    Anybody have backpacks and/or messenger bag recommendations for the Stealth? I can't find any 17" laptop carry cases that actually fit this 17" laptop. :(
     
  6. extrospector

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    Did your GS70 Pro not come with a free neoprene notebook sleeve?

    In regards to a backpack, the GS70 is abnormally wide and long so it took me a while to find a 17-inch laptop backpack with a compartment that would fit it. Most "17-inch" laptop backpacks don't fit the GS70.
    In the end I settled on the Targus Voyager. It's a bit expensive at $100 MSRP, but I can tell you that it's an amazingly well-made backpack, has a lifetime warranty, and actually fits the GS70's neoprene sleeve:
    Amazon.com: Voyager Laptop Backpack 17.3 Blk: Computers & Accessories

    There may be other commercially available backpacks that fit the GS70, but of all the ones I tried the Targus Voyager is the only one that fit.

    I was also preparing to go out and try this, the Samsonite Tectonic, because its laptop compartment dimensions are promising, but I was already too fatigued by the time I found the Targus Voyager so I just stuck with it :) Plus in other regards the Voyager is likely the superior backpack.
    http://www.amazon.com/Samsonite-Luggage-Tectonic-Backpack-Black/dp/B00AIJ57OW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1409452949&sr=8-1&keywords=samsonite+tectonic
     
  7. RMXO

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    Extro had some good examples so here's another one but a little expensive compared to the ones he already listed but it looks cool. I've been thinking of getting this if I end up with a GS70 SP or Aorus X7 v2.

    Amazon.com: ASUS Republic of Gamers Nomad Backpack for All 17-Inch G-Series Notebooks: Computers & Accessories
     
  8. LonestarROB

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    Yes, I did. But I'm wanting something more practical ( carry mouse, power brick etc.. too )

    Nice backpack, just can't see myself spending that much. :|

    Haha that is the exact one I got today! And may still end up keeping. But the top 2 corners of the laptop fit snug right up against the zipper. Really no protection on those 2 corners. No way it will fit with the sleeve on. Otherwise it's great.
     
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    Yeah, thats whats making me have second thoughts but my current backpack costed about the same back in the days. So if I do get a 17", I'll probably go with the B7, gotta protect my investment.

    Spire laptop backpack "Torq", burnt orange / black, no. TQ7-ORN:
     
  11. extrospector

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    Haha nice, I'm glad!

    About the Targus Voyager, do take into consideration the lifetime warranty. I think it alone justifies the price. This means that one may never need to purchase a backpack again (or at least not for a reasonably long time).
     
  12. iManiac

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    My GS70 Stealth came with the neoprene sleeve, a tight fitting MSI case, and a free Microsoft messenger bag. I think the 1st two I mentioned come with everyone's order. I got the Microsoft messenger bag as a back-to-school deal from GenTechPc for free. It looks really nice and has a lot of compartments. A backpack is just too much, but the tight fitting MSI case is too little, so the free messenger bag was perfect for me. I put my laptop inside the neoprene sleeve. With the laptop inside the neoprene sleeve, I then put that in the tight fitting MSI case. Lastly, I take the MSI case and put it inside the Microsoft messenger bag. It all fits nice and snug and then of course there's other pockets on the Microsoft messenger bag for me to put other things like mouse, charger, etc.

    ss (2014-08-31 at 06.36.58).jpg

    Even though I got it for free as a back-to-school deal, I managed to find the exact same Microsoft messenger bag GenTechPc gave me on Amazon.com's site.
    http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Edg...82218&sr=8-1&keywords=microsoft+messenger+bag
     
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    Hi all! I got my GS70 yesterday. Everything great so far, but not the sound. I found that the sound from speaker is more on right hand side. I've tried to adjust the balance of the sound from the laptop but it remains the same. There are some posts about this in the net, but apparently there is no solution for this. As my thought, I think that a normal speaker should have a balance sound from both left and right hand side. Has anyone noticed the speakers on the GS70 seem to be imbalanced and come from the right edge of the laptop?
     
  14. LonestarROB

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    I didn't see the Free messenger bag with my GenTech order. :(
     
  15. extrospector

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    Your speakers are not malfunctioning:
    The high/mid-range speakers in the hinge are balanced. The reason for this imbalance you're hearing is simply because the third speaker, the subwoofer on the bottom side of the laptop, is ineffectively placed in the right corner of the laptop.
    If a subwoofer's housing is large enough, bass response would be deep enough such that location of the subwoofer would not matter (deep bass is ubiquitous). However, in the case of the GS70, the subwoofer is extremely small, so it's essentially a midrange speaker meaning the location of its output can be detected.

    MSI's dynaudio speakers are among the best of laptops in terms of quality, but if laptop manufacturers want to give a care about speaker output, they would give priority to the location of the subwoofer (center it, and maybe place it in the rear of the laptop like was done with the GT60/70).

    I recommend picking up external speakers and using the laptop's speakers only for mobile use.
     
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    Hi extrospector. Thanks for the good explanation. Do you know how i can disable the subwoofer and use only the speakers in the hinge?
     
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    I'm not sure it's possible to disable single speaker, other than by opening up the laptop and tearing the subwoofer out. If adjusting the left/right balance doesn't work for you, I'm not sure there's anything you could do.
    The speakers in the hinge are very small though, so without the subwoofer, the output is going to sound shrill and you won't hear any lows.
     
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    Hello Gents

    I need an advice... After a long quest, and evaluating Auros, Razer and MSI products in the range, MSI GS70 looks very appealing. But, there is always a but. I am worried about these overheating warning posted everywhere. I travel a lot, and the laptop has to be at around 3kg max. i and an easy gamer, and I can live with lower details if necessary (the only game I play for the past two years is WoT). The rest of the time I just surf, and while doing so the laptop is usually on the bed. is that something that should worry me, heat wise?

    To repeat myself, budget is not an issue at all. I would be getting the Razer blade pro if it weren't for that horrible touch pad screen hybrid.

    My questions are

    1. is it OK to keep the laptop on the bed while doing 2D work only, or does it get too hot.
    2. If I go for the 860M instead of 870M, ''how cooler'' do I get? if it is just a couple of degrees Celsius, then I do not care and will go for the stronger one. If it is something around 10, that is a lot in my book, and I might consider the weaker
    3. Am I right when I say that both 860M and 870M are Keplers, and that the difference in heat dissipation is not as large as it would be if 860M was a Maxwell.
    4. is it possible to get the little brother (GS60) with an mattle IPS screen (1920 x 1080) and a Maxwell GPU
    5. Is it possible to order a laptop anywhere in the states that will be repasted before the delivery (I have no problems with pays the service)

    Thank you guys in advance
     
  19. iManiac

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    1. Sure, why not. I do that at the moment. I'd say the most intensive applications I've ran while having the laptop on my bed are league of legends or some adobe creative suite programs. Take that into consideration.
    2. I don't want to say anything that might be wrong so I'll just tell you what I know. I have the GS70 Stealth with the 860M. I don't have the 870M and I'm not sure what average temps are for that. So I'd rather not your question then try to guess and end up giving you false information. However, do be aware that when it comes to the Stealth Pro with the 870M chip, it gets A LOT of criticism for it's heating issues such as constant and fast throttling, overheating, gets hot with general use (web browsing, etc.).
    3. Yes you are right, both models of the Stealth (860M and the Stealth Pro 870M) have GPUs with Kepler architecture, so the heat dissipation, while not as large as with the Maxwell based 860M, is still there.
    4. Yes, however this is only possible with the recently released Limited edition Gold Ghost(someone verify?). The regular black models are Kepler based.
    5. I ordered my laptop from GenTechPC, and one of their back-to-school deals that I got to get included a free IC Diamond repasting of both the CPU and GPU. It's normally a $35 service. So whether you get free like I did or pay the $35, to answer your question, yes it is possible to get it repasted before delivery. You won't have to do it manually after receiving the laptop.

    For what I needed, I'm glad with my Stealth 860M. I have a PS4 as well as other consoles where I do the bulk of my gaming. My laptop was mainly for college and light-gaming (league of legends, minecraft, runescape, ffxiv, skyrim). Whether you get the 860M or 870M, I just like the Stealth series notebooks in generale. Either way it's a win win for you.

    I tried to answer to the best of my ability. Hope that helps somewhat.
     
  20. iManiac

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    Hmm, odd. When did you order yours and what model? I ordered the GS70 Stealth -037 (860M and NOT the Pro version) on August 18th, 2014. The four back-to-school deals it came with were AC Liberations HD, free external USB DVD drive, that messenger bag, and a free IC Diamond repasting (normally $35).
     
  21. LonestarROB

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    Same model. My order was placed Aug 8th and shipped the 14th.
     
  22. B051LjKo

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    It does... and I thank you for the feedback... I am ready to order it... just a single bit of doubt left... If Aorus (runing only one 860M) is cooler & more quiet than the Stealth... Anyone has an idea?
     
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    The aorus runs two in Sli. If you turn one off to save heat your essentially throwing money away.
     
  25. Kevin@GenTechPC

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    Don't think you can really turn it off.
    Disabling it in Device Manager will reduce power consumption but does not equal to "cut off" power supply to the GPU completely.
     
  26. B051LjKo

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    That is correct, but on the other hand... You do not need the power of SLI all the time. If only one card is enough to run the game at 60 fps, and in SLI you get 100... i prefer to have SLI disabled, to reduce the amount of heat and noise... Thin and light gaming rigs are very rare on the market, there is literally only a couple of models to choose... For example I would really really love the Aorus (i love the design) with an IPS screen and a single GPU solution.. Unfortunately, it does't exist...
     
  27. B051LjKo

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    I agree on that one, but you will also agree that ''offline'' GPU will consume very, very little power... You can basically ignore it ''heat generation wise''

    BTW Kevin, I would like to buy the laptop and the accessories from GenTech, but I have some ''special needs'', On which email address can I contact you?
     
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    Please email Customer Service <[email protected]> directly, thank you.
     
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    Anyone faced the issue that when I am on battery with my GS70 Stealth Pro with i7 4710, max clock is only 2500 MHz. And when I am on AC adapter it goes 3500 MHz. Is there any sollution to that, so it can run on max turbo clock even on battery?

    Thank you!
     
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    That's the default behaviour, you can't change it.
     
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    AC power provides 150 watts while the battery is about 50 watts thus causes difference in performance.
     
  33. Huusoku

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    Hello,

    New member, first post! After a long and difficult mental debate between the Stealth Pro and the X7v2, I purchased the MSI about 2 hrs ago and am eagerly awaiting its arrival Friday!! *finger's crossed*

    Feel free to skip all this and jump straight to my Q below.

    My background:
    I have not had a new computer since 2007, still rock'n my 15.4" Compal JHL90 with GeForce 9600M GT and upgraded parts such as a T9900 processor (originally had T7700), maxed the ram to 4GB, and love'n the 840 Evo SSD, amongst other things. Basically I've stretched this machine out by myself as much as I can. It's no surprise that I'm no hardcore gamer, yet I prefer to use gaming equipment because I equate power for games to be power for Solidworks and other engineering & programming software I use daily. And, of course, I definitely wanna play some games when a new title catches my eye ;)

    Why I picked the GS70 Stealth Pro:
    It boiled down to better portability and battery life than the X7v2. Both are thinner than my current laptop, but the X7 is 3.3% heavier whereas the GS70 is 10.3% lighter. As my laptop is my work computer, I carry it to and from work every day, and I take it on 5 hr road trips every weekend, this weight savings means a lot -- or at least I know for sure I do not want some 2.5" thick 10 lb laptop. The slim design of the power adapter is appealing also. I am not so hot about the key arrangement -- the Window's and the backslash keys not where I'm used to them -- I am hoping I can get around this with software (such as KeyTweak).

    What I like about the X7v2:
    I prefer its key layout and its custom programmable extra keys, but I read many poor reviews regarding the feel of it's keyboard. Also it is not back-lit, something I've always wanted someday. I do like the more powerful SLI arrangement, however I know not all games will work with this, it will generate more heat and require a larger battery (= more weight and space constraints). I almost always run my laptop on A/C power so the shorter run time wasn't such a factor for me. But I do very much like it's i7-4860HQ CPU (16.7% faster according to cpubenchmark.net) which leads me to my question...

    As I've done in the past, I look at cpu-world.com and consider processor upgrades based on sockets. I see that the 4710HQ and 4860HQ both use the BGA1364 socket and I figured great!, 5 years from now I'll purchase the fastest CPU of this socket, a i7-4980HQ or whatever, used for cheap, and then get more mileage out of the Stealth Pro just as I've down with my current laptop.

    Then I figured for giggles I would compare the 4710HQ to my current Core2Duo T9900 ...and then I realized something horrible...

    My Question:
    Is the CPU of these newer i7 machines HARD MOUNTED TO THE MOTHERBOARD??? Directly soldered?! Are they not in a socket that I'm used to where you lift a simple lever and the CPU is released??

    According to cpu-world, the drawback of the 4710HQ, in comparison to my T9900, is, "Not possible to upgrade or replace."

    Ohhhh man this bums me out quite a bit. I have no doubt I'm gonna fall absolutely head over heals with the Stealth Pro, and it is going to be so fast from what I'm used to that I'll probably get a nose bleed every time I just look at it, but opening up computers, swapping out parts, changing hardware years down the road..... This has always been a fun hobby of mine.

    I searched around for someone slapping in a i7-4980HQ into the Stealth Pro or even the X7v2's 4860HQ and I am amazed that I can't find anyone doing this yet. This seems to confirm my fear that processors are no longer removable from new computers......

    Would someone please enlighten this humble fellow who is so oblivious with new technology as myself?

    Thank you very much for your time!

    Regards,
    Huusoku
     
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    Welcome to NBR forum, you've made a good pick.
    My own IFL90 w/8600M GT is still running but I don't use it anymore.

    If you intend to carry the notebook with you most of the time, then get GS70, otherwise X7v2.
    Please note that X7v2 is indeed heavier and you can feel that weight once you carry it for a slight longer period of time, and you may not enjoy that fatigue of your body.
    What review mentioned is true about the keyboard, and 4710HQ & 4860HQ processors are not upgradeable so that's the fact on both models. Unless you are able to desolder and resolder the processor, which requires both professional equipment and skill to achieve.
    HQ = BGA
    MQ = PGA
     
  35. iManiac

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    Does anyone here ever have this happen? When I press power to boot up, it shows the MSI in big white letters for a few seconds then sometimes it switches to an all-black screen and in small (probably like 10-12pt) white font displays:

    >>Checking Media Presence......
    >>Media Present......
    >>Start PXE over IPv6

    Stays like that for about 1-2 minutes, then the >>Start PXE over IPv6 line changes to >>Start PXE over IPv4 and then it stays like that for another 10-15 seconds.
    THEN my computer finally starts the boot up process and proceeds to the user login/desktop, etc.

    Sometimes it does this, sometimes it doesn't. If it's supposed to do that, then disregard this, but otherwise it's kind of annoying. I'm using an SSD as the boot drive and when it doesn't do the above thing, I usually go from pressing the power button -> desktop in a little over 10 seconds. This sort of defeats 1 of the purposes of me using an SSD as the boot drive...
     
  36. Kevin@GenTechPC

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    Could be a bad OS or bad system drive.
    PXE boot is the last boot device so if the BIOS finds nothing bootable then it goes to PXE boot (network boot).
    Restart, and press DEL to enter BIOS, then go to Boot menu to select SSD as the first boot device, then press F10 to save and exit.
    Verify again.
     
  37. Huusoku

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    Haha that is awesome!!

    Thank you for the advice. Yes, portability is quite important ... yet I realize I can't have my pie and eat it too. The X7v2 does seem faster from benchmarks/reviews I've seen, but for some reason I am just more attracted to the MSI. If it is their marketing, then they won my dollar.

    Thank you for the (sad) information! I have now learned about Ball grid array - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia & Pin grid array - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia :) I am bummed by this news but I can see the BGA being cheaper to manufacture and also allowing for a smaller formfactor (to make such compact yet powerful machines!). Maybe in 5 years if I'm still rock'n the Stealth Pro, I can find a professional to replace the CPU for me ;)

    Now that I know a CPU upgrade is not possible (in a practical sense), would I have picked the X7v2 instead which would have given me a faster CPU.... or would I have waited for the Stealth Pro II to come out...

    ...hmmmmmm I can't decidedly say that I would have chose different. Two days to go until I realize for myself what it's like to be part of new technology!! haha

    Regards,
    Huusoku
     
  38. LonestarROB

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    Mine did the same thing. Do like Kevin said to fix it. :)
     
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    Thanks Kevin!. I restarted my computer multiple times after making that change to verify it was fixed and sure enough it seems to be. Now that that doesn't happen anymore, my computer goes from pressing power button -> desktop in like ~10 seconds; 11-12 seconds if you factor in the time it takes to type my login password, and ~20 or so seconds if you factor waiting for all start up programs to fully load. I'm using the Samsung 840 EVO 250gb mSATA SSD, and it's awesome.
     
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    Job well done! :thumbsup:
     
  41. extrospector

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    Here's a problem I've had with the GS70 Pro:
    In some games (FPS games are the best example), the framerate is up to par and the games run essentially lag-free, but the camera is very choppy when I turn the screen to look around in the game. Moving the camera diagonally, it moves in a jagged (zig-zag) path rather than smoothly.
    I'm using the same mouse that I used with my GT60, and I did not have this issue with the GT60. I've scoured the interwebs for a solution but can't find a concrete one. Please help :cry:
     
  42. Huusoku

    Huusoku Notebook Enthusiast

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    Hello again NR forums!

    This message is brought to you by my new Stealth Pro-210! I've been busy enjoying this BEAST of a machine!

    I have a Q regarding the GPU towards the bottom of this post. Feel free to skip all this "blah blah I'm excited" talk and see if you can point me straight :)

    I really really like this laptop! So far I have 2 complaints, which I knew full-well before hand: 1. The Window's key is unusually placed on the right side of the space bar, and 2. The Page Up/Down and Home/End are shared keys in conjunction with the Fn key.

    As for #2, my previous laptop that I used for 7 years had home, page up, page down, and end keys vertically aligned in order at the far right side of it's laptop. So I figured I would remap the keys however it turns out Function key combinations are hardware reserved and cannot be remapped. Fortunately, and this took me almost 2 days to realize, these keys are far more accessible in the number pad (with num lock turned off). Old news for anyone who's had a laptop with a number pad, but this is my first so I was really excited and also surprised that I never noticed that they are there before.

    As for #1, my original thought was to remap and swap the Fn key with the Windows key, but alas, as I discovered, the Fn key is hardware based and software cannot remap it, or at least this is what searching and trial-and-error have led me to believe.

    So currently I am using an Autohotkey script to enable LeftAlt+R to open the run dialog, and LeftAlt+E to open Explorer, actions that I normally would use Windows Key for with my left hand (of course). I also use LeftCtrl+Esc sometimes to open the start menu but with Windows 8 this loads some pointless Apps display. So I remapped those keys as well to open the start menu :) The thing is, if my right hand is holding the mouse and I want to quickly open the start menu, or load Explorer to browse my hdd, with the GS70 I'd have to remove my right hand from the mouse just to hit the Windows key (located on the right side of the keyboard) and then return my hand back to the mouse. Lastly, to the right of the keyboard there is a second backslash key. Why there are two must be some gaming thing and is beyond me. So using the MSI-included Steelseries keyboard software, I remapped that key to be the right-click context menu key which is missing entirely from the keyboard ;)

    These might be trivial things to many, but quite meaningful to me. Also, I know this is a purpose-built gaming laptop, so I would never hold this against it! And BTW the feel and touch and size of this Keyboard is incredible. I like it so much more than my old Laptop and my hands quickly became used to the size/layout of the keys. When I'm typing at full speed these keys sounds really neat, not plasticy like my old laptop! The colors.... ohhh the colors... Why did I wait so long to get a backlit keyboard! :)

    The performance of this thing ROCKS IT!! Compared to my old T9900-powered machine, using HWiNFO's simple benchmark tool, the i7-4710HQ is 3.8 times faster CPU (scores 295,353) & 2.6 times faster FPU (scores 124,714). Comparing the 870M to my old 9600M GT, this machine's MMX performance is 8.3 times faster!!!! (scores 248,353) The memory transfer speed is 3.5 times faster (12,076 MB/s) and lastly the RAID hdd setup is 5.2 times faster than my previous and already fast single (non-RAID) Samsung 840 Evo in terms of reading speed (982.17 MB/s)! So.... yeah, this machine is amazing!!

    I do have one question: I have not played any intense games yet, so far (and don't laugh) I've only played the original Unreal Tournament ('99) and also Minecraft. Both run flawlessly. But...... I have yet to hear the left side vent fan turn on. According to MSI, the left vent is for the GPU, correct? Playing UT99 only draws about 8% processor and CPU temp gets to about 65 degrees C. Minecraft on full screen draws about 25% CPU and my temps get up to about 78 C. The fan on the right side near the power cord kicks up pretty good ..... but I have yet to hear any noise from the left vent, and when I put my hand or even my cheek up to the left vent I don't feel any airflow at all.

    So.... I am wondering, is there some setting I don't know about in Windows 8 where the built-in Intel HD Graphics is switched on but the GeForce is switched off? When I look at the temps of my GPU in Speccy they never move from 40 C. A constant 40 C for ever, for as long as I've been monitoring it. Is there a master switch for Geforce? I think I just need to wait to play a real game that can challenge this machine before the fan kicks on. But I wanted to check here first because if the fan isn't working then I need to get it taken care of sooner than later (.....however the temps aren't climbing either so it's not like I'm at risk of the NVidia frying or anything...)

    Thanks for the help and this baby is a real keeper!!

    Regards,
    Huusoku
     
  43. Huusoku

    Huusoku Notebook Enthusiast

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    Update on this. I thought perhaps updating my BIOS might cur.e this (assuming it's an issue) and during the BIOS update process both fans kicked on full blast. So for the first time my left side fan has turned on. Good news then, it's at least plugged in and operating.

    But I am still curious as to why my GPU's temps never budge from 40 C during game play....

    I don't know if this helps, but when I load CCleaner, it says, "Intel Core i704710HQ CPU @ 2.50GHz, 16.0GB RAM, Intel HD Graphics 4600". I know for sure that when I run CCleaner on my old laptop this lists my GeForce 9600M GT here.

    EDIT: Ahhhhh Just noticed something interesting. Both Speccy and HWiNFO list both Intel HD Graphics 4600 and GeForce GTX 870M, however, CPU-Z only lists "Graphics Device" instead of the GTX 870M.

    Please consider the following screen shots:

    Here is the first Graphics device listed in CPU-Z:
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    and here is the 2nd Graphics device listed:
    [​IMG]

    Why would it show up in Speccy and HWiNFO but be listed strangely in CPU-Z and not listed at the top of CCleaner? This is the 64-bit version of CPU-Z.

    As far as I can tell, everything is loaded properly and the drivers exist. NVIDIA Control Panel exists in my right-click desktop context menu and works as expected. Nothing shows up as missing or incorrectly installed in my Device Driver.

    Any tips would be appreciated!

    Thanks
    Huusoku
     
  44. Kevin@GenTechPC

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    The technique used by each utility is different when grabbing hardware information.
    CPUZ specializes in CPU but not GPU, so you should use GPUZ to grab the data instead, and both graphics devices will come up on it.
     
  45. Prostar Computer

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    This and Optimus. When the GPU is not in use, the system is running off of the Intel HD graphics by default, so most utilities will display that rather than the discrete graphics.
     
  46. Kevin@GenTechPC

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    Use GPUZ, which will display both GPUs.
     
  47. Huusoku

    Huusoku Notebook Enthusiast

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    Okay guys! I finally figured it out!

    Sorry for taking up so much time, but I am used to Windows XP and computers that only have one GPU :p

    I stumbled upon a menu option for applications of "Run with graphics processor" (right-click on an EXE file) which gives two choices, Integrated graphics (default) or High performance NVIDIA processor. AWESOME! So I launched a game with the NVIDIA option (of course) and not only did my GPU temps finally change from 40-C, but my left vent fan turned on and also my right vent fan wasn't going at warp speed and my CPU temps are much, much lower than before.

    Did some more hunting, found the option under NVIDIA Control Panel > Manage 3D settings | Global Settings (tab) > Preferred graphics processor. It was originally configured as Auto-select, and now I have it as my NVIDIA (set as default).

    All of my games seem to run smoother and the laptop is much quieter since the CPU isn't having to do everything on it's own (two lower RPM fans vs one fan going balistic). I assume Auto-select operates in an energy saving way, but honestly I think this is a dumb mode. If MSI is marketing this laptop as a GAMING LAPTOP, then why isn't the gaming GPU selected by default?

    Anyhow, all my inexperience put aside :D, this laptop is just amazing. Very very happy with it!

    Carry on :)

    Regards,
    Huusoku
     
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  48. Kevin@GenTechPC

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    Great, enjoy it to the fullest.
    If you have any questions then feel free to ask us again.
     
  49. extrospector

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    The above was initially my only problem (I'd still appreciate it if someone could suggest a solution). But now I have another one.

    All of a sudden, my CPU idle temperature is extremely high, at about 70 degrees Celcius, which is about 20 degrees higher than it was before. I haven't made any significant changes recently and I doubt my CPU fan accumulated a ton of dust in a matter of a few hours. Could I get some help please?
     
  50. mardon

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    What is your CPU load like at idle? Check it from task manager "performance"
    Have you tried vsync with games on and off? Does that affect the issue your having?
     
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