MSI GS70 Stealth Pro Theard

Just wondering if the 2QE-200US had slower SSD or something that would reflect the price difference I'm seeing. Both are available here in Canada.

 

Hello guys

ordered MSI GS70 Stealth Pro-488.

It possible to choose SHIFT modes without installing MSI dragon center? This software looks awful, I need something light like SCM was..

 

Hi guys. I desperatley need help. So i purchased a gs70 2qe from a user on ebay... it was brand new but opened however non registered. Since day 1 non of the usb ports work... neither lighting up or being recognised. Under device manager one usb tab is coming up as unrecognised (link in compliance mode). Machine is fully updated and right bios. Bios usb settings all seem sound. I like to consider myself mediocre in solving issues but this is beyond a joke now... cant get any help anywhere... please help

 

Are you using the stock Windows 8? USB drivers are native to that verion. If you happen to put 7 on there it will need drivers.

 

Hey guys, I've had my GS70 for a few weeks now I just want to let others know about this:

One of the reasons I bought the GS70 over the GS60 is because it has the three video output ports. I planned on just plugging the three external monitors that I have set up on my desk into the laptop when I'm home and just making it into a portable workstation. When researching the laptop, I could've sworn I saw that it said that the GS70 supports up to three external monitor and has it listed as one of its features. Needless to say, I purchased the laptop and tried to connect all three monitors and it didn't work. When I contacted MSI support, they denied that it was possible and now the the website reflects that it only supports two external monitors. Needless to say, I was disappointed.

Anyway, I started looking into other methods when I came across a MST hub made by StarTech. It's a hub that connects via Mini DisplayPort 1.2 and has three DisplayPort connections for monitors. It's marketed heavily towards the Surface Pro 3 and it has pretty good reviews. It's expensive at $100 but I figured I'd give it a shot and return it if it didn't work. Well, it does work. Better than I thought. It works to output to three different displays in extended mode and it also works for collage mode which surprised me. While some of you may be aware of this, I wanted to let everyone know that if you were planning on doing something similar, it does work. It may cost a bit extra but it does work.

 

Just received the GS70 and most is great but the constant fan noise even when idling is driving me crazy

The problem seem to be that the fan can't run at a lower speed that about 3000 rpm which is bad for at least 2 reasons, first, if it could run longer on let's say 1500 rpm it wouldn't be as intrusive and second, wouldn't have to go on and off constantly. Only solution I've been able to find is to use a modified BIOS - Svet's Fermi/Kepler VBIOS/EC Tuner but seriously, if that is the only solution available, I will just return the GS70 and buy something better. What was MSI thinking here? The problem should be obvious to anyone who has used this laptop for more than 15 minutes. Or is everyone just using it for games and nothing else?

Or am I missing something here?

Edit:
Still curious though, has anyone tried a modded BIOS like Svet's Fermi/Kepler VBIOS/EC Tuner and can comment if it helps? I guess the fan probably can't run any slower so it would have to be to raise the temperature curve then.

 

Might want to check your thermal paste out. I play Borderlands 2 on mine and never hear the fans run. And I have it set to "Sport" mode.

 

No offence but then you might need to check your hearing I don't mind having fans at full at max load, well, or at least that is what I would expect. But having to repaste a brand new computer I feel is just as bad as having to flash a custom BIOS. In both cases, if there is no simple solution to this, I think MSI really missed the boat here. I mean, how hard can it be to have a fan that can be controlled below 3000 rpm year 2015?

 

Can't see that this question ever got answered, ie which "tools created by other users" that could help solving this? Svets EC firmware I know of though. Thank you.

 

Hi, I have 8.1 out of the box. I understand that drivers are included, these however dont seem to work. I have tried also doing the Intel usb 3.0 extensibile work around by using win 7 drivers edited .inf's to make win 8 believe they are for it (this means Intel drivers instead of Microsoft as I understand). This does not also work. Im really running out of ideas tbh and its annoying me that my new laptop has seen nothing but hours of chrome searching for the answer.

 

Akira, this notebook can do 3 displays maximum and you do not need to purchase a MST hub.
But you will NEED to disable the internal screen on the notebook itself, because if it's ON then you can't have 3 external displays.

 

Yes, you can use Svet's tool to accomplish this task as the other tool is no longer being maintained.

 

None of the Intel USB 3.0 drivers will work on Win8.x because they are native.
What's the symptom you are experiencing though? What USB devices do you have that are experiencing problems? And have you tried different USB devices and/or USB ports?

 

I've discussed this a bit with Svet and it seems like 3000 rpm is the minimum fan speed available so only alternative is to raise temp limits and similar. Which might buy some time but sooner or later I guess it will end up in a similar scenario with fan on-off-on-off

 

Hi, yes I have tried different devices. Ranging from simple wired mouse, bluetooth mouse and usb flash drive. I have also tried printer too. The symptoms are simple, just nothing works in usb ports. Doesnt detect in bios either

 

Hi ...

I've had my GS70 for about 7 months now and have never noticed the problem you speak of. When browsing the web and otherwise doing things like word processing or even watching a youtube video, the fans are generally all but totally silent; I know they are working though because there is the slightest warm breeze coming out of the exhaust ports (mostly just the CPU side since the Nvidia card isn't engaged during these times).

There was one time, though when my fans were ramping up all time and it turned out to be a certain sensor I had configured in MSI Afterburner to report certain Nvidia card data; seems the enabling of this sensor automatically triggered the Nvidia card to be dominant instead of the built in Intel Graphics and this was causing the cooling fans for the Nvidia card to run pretty high, even when I thought my machine was idling. Once I disabled that particular sensor in MSI Afterburner, things went back to normal, silent operation during regular desktop usage.

The only times my fans become noticeably audible is when gaming; depending on the game, they can get very noticeable when in a quiet room. I game with headphones so this is never an issue.

I would recommend a couple things:

1. During idle operation, is your power button glowing white or orange? If it's glowing orange, then that means your Nvidia card is being used by some process. If it's glowing white (as it should be during most desktop usage) then this means the built in Intel Graphics are being used. If it's orange during idle operation, then you'll have to identify what process is running that has triggered the usage of the Nvidia card.

2. Also, get an application such as " Process Explorer" or otherwise (even Windows Task manager will work) and carefully look at the CPU cycles being used by all running processes. If you have some process in the list that is continuously using high percentages of CPU cycles during what you think is an "idle" time ... then this too could be triggering your CPU side cooling fans (on the right side of the machine when looking at the screen).

Also, when the fans are running at idle as you describe, what exhaust port seems to be the most active, the one on the left side of your computer (the Nvidia graphics cooling fan) or the right side of your computer (the CPU cooling fan)? This might also help you narrow down what is causing the fans to ramp up at idle times.

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But the machine should be near dead silent at idle, or something is certainly wrong. I know mine is silent ... I certainly can't hear any fan activity. The only times I become aware of the fans being audible is when gaming or doing CPU intensive routines such as rendering video. Once these given activities stop, the fans are very consistent at returning to a silent, idle state and rather quickly at that.

Anyway.

Best of luck...
Joel

 

Thanks for your input, even though I've already tried/verified most of it before my first post. The GPU used is the Intel one so naturally it's the CPU fan that is used mainly to cool the CPU and CPU load is 0-10%. Not trying to be a prick here but not hearing the fans is probably a matter of how good/bad ones hearing is (combined with ambient noise). Not sure if I was a big vague in my first post, my main problem with the GS70 isn't that it needs fan to cool it's powerful components. It is that MSI has limited the minimum fan speed to 3XXX rpm forcing the fan to be either off or running at 3XXX rpm and up. If it could be configured to spin something like 2000 rpm, it would probably be silent enough not to bother even if running all the time but still efficient enough to perform required cooling.

 

I too once sought a way to manually control the fans but I wanted to make them run at absolute max, all the time, while gaming. Never found a sufficient method other than a bios update and I'm not going to mess with that.

Otherwise, what program are you using to show your 3000rpm fan speed? I'm curious as I've never been able to find software that accurately reads that sensor and I'd like to try it out myself if you can forward that info.

My hearing is quite good, btw ... I just put my ear directly against the CPU vent (yes, I got up in the middle of typing this message) and I could hear something but it was more so the sound the air made as it traveled in to my ear canal than it was an actual mechanical sound from the fan. Sitting at my desk, with the machine a couple feet away ... it's impossible to hear any fan noise whatsoever. Unless gaming, the machine is very quiet.

Best,
Joel

 

For having the fans run at maximum, have you triede the GT70 fan tool? It seemed to work even on the GS70 (at least with nVidia GPU activated) but it doesn't seem to be able to make any changes to minimum CPU fan speed, which I guess is because MSI hardcoded it into the fan itself. Naturally you would have to run it at each reboot compared to a modified BIOS which you would only have to do once.

In this case, I only used the Dragon Gaming Center to watch the CPU fan, can't really make any promise about how accurate it is though but I hope MSI know how to read fans on their own laptops. But even with my 40+ years I had no problem making the same observations with my own hearing from my normal seating position as I could see in the Dragon Gaming Center, the CPU fan going on-off-on-off between 0 rpm and 3000 rpm. Can't say I could make out exact fan speed only with my hearing though

Which GS70 version is it that you have, as you say it is 7 months old? Mine is the latest version 2QE I believe it is called, which might be different from previous versions in this regard.

Edit:
I wouldn't mind trying the modified BIOS solution if it hadn't been for the fact that everything indicates MSI hardcoded 3000 rpm minimum into the fan so not even a BIOS modification can change that. Discussed this with Svet also and he seemed to agree with that although there are other changes you can do via modified BIOS.

 

Do you see the USB ports over device manager? Do not use the win7 method. If you can see the USB ports on device manager, uninstall them and then restart the PC (not shutdown/power up, but restart). Try manually updating the drivers then.

Windows 8 uses native USB 3 drivers. I had a similar issue with my Asus N550, where I had the USB shown on device manager but none worked. I had to manually uninstall the drivers, delete them, and then reinstall them via manual windows update. They haven't failed since.

 

If you can support 3000rpm fans, you can easily make the fan tables so that you don't hear higher RPMs until a high temp. I use this mode on my GT60 in which fans are silent up until 75 C which means I am doing something slightly/more demanding.

 

Thanks for your suggestion. I considered that but won't it just mean that you get a few more minutes (guess) before you reach the 75C limit (as there is zero cooling with 0 rpm) and when you do it will just be the same thing but a bit delayed? Fans during gaming etc is no problem at all, it's the fans blowing when I type an email or similar that bothers me. And the fact that this seems so unnecessary, if just MSI wouldn't had done such a stupid thing as to set a 3000 rpm lowest speed on the fan.

 

I meant, though poorly worded, that if you can endure hearing the 3000rpm spinning, you should probably put it perma spin haha.

But if its zero to 3000, you can test how hot it gets on 0 fan speed. Temps will climb but not forever. There will be a max temp on passive cooling, that you will reach. If while doing small/light work you are not getting, lets say, above 75 degrees Celsius, then you can keep it at 0. It will all depend on your usage, and how good it can cool itself passively.

 

Been following about fan noise and such and yesterday I did some BL2 and actually turned sound down. I can say that fan noise was noticeable, but not annoying. Also, I got more airflow out of the right hand vent (with me facing the screen and keyboard) than the left hand vent.

I've got spare covers, top and bottom, and intend to open it up some. Just need to find a nice mesh to put in where I'm going to open it up at. Any suggestions?

 

Tried this already with no luck at all.... i see them there but when restarting it just installs the same microsoft drivers. Windows update does nothing

 

If the BIOS doesn't see any of the devices then this is a major issue.
Best to contact MSI directly to request a RMA to proceed with warranty service.

 

Hmmm

I have a SteelSeries Siberia Elite and notebook GS70 2QE Stealth Pro with steelseries keyboard.

Which version of SteelSeries Engine I should use? V2 or V3

 

Hey .. thanks for the suggestion on the MSI GT70 Fan Control program ... I just tried it last night and as you said, it worked. Like you said, I could only adjust the fan speed once the Nvidia card was made primary; to do this, I simply opened the Furmark program without even starting a benchmark and this is enough to switch priority over to the Nvidia card (IE > the power button turns orange).

Oddly, though, when adjusting the fan speeds with the MSI GT70 tool, it seemed to work very well but it changed what I think to be the CPU fan speed and not the GPU; when looking at the screen with the computer in front of you, the CPU fan is on the right side (side with the AC adapter port) and the GPU fan is on the left side (side with the HDMI port), correct? If this is true then the MSI fan control program only affected the CPU fan (right side fan) and the Nvidia GPU fan never changed. Be that as it may, though ... the fan control program worked very consistently when switching from MAX to FAST to SILENT, etc ... (but only the right side cooling fan).

Am I right in my placement of the CPU vs the GPU fans (right vs left)?

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I wonder if it really is correct, I mean, the CPU will continue to produce heat no matter what and if nothing is cooling it, shouldn't the temperature just continue to rise? Even if the CPU is close to idle, wouldn't it still produce enough energy (= heat) to at least maintain it's current temperature, and then rising when under more heavy load?

 

Glad that it helped. There is a similar program based on RwEverything but if I recall correctly so is the GT70 Fan Tool so it might just be the same. I believe you are correct in placement of the fans even though I haven't verified it. As you probably know, you can also force the nVidia GPU to activate by selecting it in Nvidia Control Panel (default is autoswitch). Running FRAPS probably will activate it also.

 

Nothing produces eternal heat my friend. There is a temperature by which you would need added energy to rise from. At low usage, your TDP is in the single digits on watts, up to around, lets say, 20watts. The power consumption varies.

this is why we have passively cooled systems, like smartphones, that use no fans. Because the heat produced is still being sent to the ambient. the surroundings are getting all the heat generated by the computer. Without a fan, the temps will simply be higher, than with a fan at lets say, 1500rpm. but both will reach a stable temp if there is little to no load.

I am not saying the GS was designed to work that way and maintain low temps. Your light work may very well be enough to reach 75 degrees at some point. But idle? Nah, you can max out at a certain point.

I have in my office a core i7 dual core mobile processor we use passively cooled on a PC. since it is dual core, it has a lower TDP, and it never gets hot enough to need a fan.

This, of course, is not something I would recommend. I would much prefer have the fan run at 3krpm permanently and only rise when needed. Instead of going ON/OFF constantly.

 

You are probably correct here, I thought that the components used in the GS70 were to performance oriented to be able to handle heat within limits before the computer would either shut down or do some emergency start of fans. Looking at my GS70 idling (CPU load less than 5%) it seems to require 20-30W.

The best thing here would probably be if you could have the fans constantly running at something like 2000 rpm, compared to on-off between 0 and 3000 rpm. Perhaps the Comfort and Sports mode are less intrusive after all as I guess they might have the fans running all the time (haven't tried this yet though).

 

Yeah, the ideal would be a higher range of operation for the fan, but in this case it is not possible. Try to find the use that best suits you In my case, it was a constant minimal rpm fan always on, and then high rpm when gaming, instead of the usual fan table.

 

Guys need help please! I inserted flash drive with windows 8.1, pressed f11 chosen flash drive, instead of starting the installation I got into the BIOS... and then I restarted and got this... black screen with white dash Have a problem like this dude https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=254589.msg1463091#msg1463091

MSI GS70 white dash by MajorBoobage posted May 24, 2015 at 7:43 PM

 

This looks like it's not booting.
Can you list the content of your USB flash drive?
How did you create it?

 

Kevin
Flash drive created a 5 months ago and successfully used on my old MSI GT70. Created using rufus v1.4.3

I solved the issue, unplug the SSD and plug it back in.

NEW PROBLEM
playing GTAV I got the blue screen and reboot, after that all sound device are missing...




any ideas?

 

Hi guys,

I am seriously considering the purchase of this GS70 Stealth Pro http://www.amazon.com/MSI-GS70-STEALTH-PRO-003-9S7-177314-003/dp/B00O65HR6A/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1432601498&sr=1-5&keywords=msi gs70 stealth pro

I do have a couple of question and hope this is this place to ask them.

1, I've read that many users have had wifi issues. The work I would do on this pc is extremely important and a good wifi connection is a must. Has this issue, whatever it is/was, been resolved? Can I reasonably expect not to have a problem?

2. Can you realistically use this on your lap from simple tasks like web browsing without heat being a problem?

3. Here's an odd 1. I have an HP right now that is aluminum finish. When on my lap I will often use a wireless mouse without a pad and just place it to the right of the touch pad. In other words, I just put on the open area next to the pad and below the keyboard. I'm wondering if this would scratch the black surface? Any thoughts?

4. How difficult is it to hook up 1 or 2 additional monitors? Any extra parts needed besides the monitors themselves?

5. I'm not a gamer. This laptop will be used for work. It need to be able to load programs fast, handle 7-8 Chrome tabs open at once along with charting software, chatrooms, and AIM, without getting too hot or slowing down.
My desktop (i7 4790K, 760GTX Ti 2gb, 128gb ssd) handles everything I do without breaking a sweat. Would you think this laptop should handle this without problems?

Thank you

 

Looks like either the OS or SSD is unstable, did you upgrade RAM or doing any kind of overclocking on your PC?

 

1. You can update the driver to the latest version since some issues are related to driver itself, and other cases where it could be just wifi card setting, or router firmware issue.
2. Yes, as long as you are only performing simple tasks (nothing intensive to CPU/GPU).
3. It should not, but sometimes dust/fine sand can get in between then it becomes hard to say.
4. GS70 supports up to 3 external display (internal one must be turned off). Use the Mini DisplayPort output on the NB to provide two output, and one with HDMI.
5. The NB can handle these tasks smoothly and promptly.

 

Actually, I decided to take a chance and invested in a Aorus X7 Pro V3 instead which as surprising as it might sound so far is MUCH quieter in idle and low performance mode than the GS70. Have just had it for one day yet so there might be other problems but so far so good. Has a really good IPS screen also (not all version seem to have this though).

 

Enjoy the Aorus mate glad to hear it improves on your needs! Plus you are now under SLI, which can result in quite a healthy gain in performance

I'd say that if you use vsync to get fixed framerate, you should keep things cool enough, at least for now. Not many games require dual graphic cards to be maxed out at 60fps.

 

Don't really mind the fans working when gaming but it's more irritating when sitting in an open office environment reading emails Anyway, enough of the Aorus in this thread, just wanted to share the solution to my problem.

 

Should one venture to buy this laptop now? Going to purchase this summer but reading about new Intel processors. Will sites like XoticPC update the laptops anytime soon?

 

There is an excellent chance that they will be updated, much like the GT80 was updated. However, one CPU generation doesn't really mean much. BUT, the discounts on older models could be attractive.

 

I was looking on your websites and I was particularly interested in the gs70 stealth pro that has the 6 Gigabyte 970m and also has the new intel 5th generation processors. When do you think these will be available? Is MSI not making these models?

 

We have not seen them yet nor have heard if/if not they will be coming. As you've seen the i7-5700HQ models are just coming with 3.0GB version GPU's right now.

 

What settings have you guys been playing The Witcher 3 on? There's no in-game benchmark tool, so I'm having a bit of a rough time finding the sweet spot. I've got the crimson stealth with the 6gb 970m.

 

Hi you answered my previous questions. Thanks for that. So I’m buying this laptop after saving for a while and I upgrade laptops every few years. I usually say larger is better. IN this case is there foreseeable benefit in having the 6GB vram over 3GB ?Will FPS be larger on 6GB or will connecting to an external monitor be better even though i wont do that much. Im not sure how much vram modern games take up.

 

You're very welcome
For a 1080 screen 3GB should be plenty and last you until you get your next computer. If you output to a 4K screen then the vRAM may be a bit low, but the 970M won't be the best in 4K gaming regardless of the vRAM amount.

 

has anyone been able to connect to a 4k display over hdmi on this machine and get the reduced chroma 60hz? I just can't seem to get it to work at all on this machine. I've tried on 2 different displays that do it fine attached to another machine.

I also get noticeably higher lag on the displays at 4k 30hz than on the other machine.