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    MSI GT660 with Nvidia GTX285M

    Discussion in 'MSI' started by v_c, Feb 23, 2010.

  1. Genna

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    Wow! What can I say ... It's beautiful ...
    ... but why this resolution ... why, why,why?!?
     
  2. min2209

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    Wow, if their GPU really is like 56C under load like they claim I'd be very very impressed.

    Anyway, how did they run the dx11 Heaven benchmark? and get a higher score in dx11 than dx10? I just ran the exact same dx10 benchmark as them to compare. Below is my score, and for reference, theirs was 44.9 FPS / 1131 points.

    [​IMG]

    :D
     
  3. catacylsm

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    Duuuuuddeee, its single fan again, but look at the size of those heat sinks!!!

    3 pipes specifically on the GPU and 2 alone on the CPU+NB, thats madd!!!

    Fan has been redesigned too (Wonder if we could GX740 this?) Also has a strange whole configuration on the top, maybe MSI has been doing some heavy research.

    Passive vent too as suspected :p

    When i get home im going to compare 4850 to 285.
     
  4. Riddhy916

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    well gt 660 is minimum usd 1499 i bet gt 760 will start at usd 1799

    saw the 480m benchmarks its only 11% in avg faster than 5870m

    so i really now dont think 460m will beat 5870 or might play catch up with 5850 gddr5 asus g73jh costs usd 1499

    i also think asus and msi will not offer 480m in their retail units as last time they offered upto gtx 260m so if they offer 460m and charge more than g73jh thats stupid

    the best they could offer is gtx 470m if it exists?


    i really like gt760 build i hope it gets a i5 540m/i7 620m with gtx 460 at usd 1349 max then it will be an awesome laptop though it will perform neck to neck with 5850 mobility

    anyone got the lineup for mobile 400 series with specs??
     
  5. catacylsm

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    I havent read the review yet, but its using hevay heat piping + passive cooling vent for the gpu, i think a 480 is definately a doable.
     
  6. Genna

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    cata,
    there is not too much to read :D But yeah, those heatsinks are probably the best done up to now, and probably the GPU one will be good enough to keep 480 in reasonable temperature limits. But what will be the cost: $1499 for the lappy + $940 (@ rjtech.com) for the GPU + $150 for WUXGA screen = $2589. Well, that's a nice price :)
     
  7. a3r0x

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    Wow this is the best single cooling solution I have seen so far. Congrats msi, this really gives a room for better (hotter) GPU's. Pity the review wasn't very descriptive, but it hadgreat pictures.

    The thickness IMO is justfied, but the screen resolution is way too low. For gaming it's good, but the windows just look too big.
     
  8. catacylsm

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    I'd buy it in a heartbeat because of the res lmao :p

    And its true msi engineering,

    Now i dream't about them doing the cooling like this for a while, but what they've done is,

    1)Single Fan Solution
    2)Introduction of thick heat sinks (What material though, wont be silver will it)
    3)That passive vent which allows the easy introduction of air enables the ability to sweep fresh air directly over the GPU which is pure genius, building off their original idea.
    4)Bigger fan, more fins (I think), holes in the fan (Something to do with dissapation maybe?) and most likely higher RPM. Actually holes in the fan could take some weight off the fan too :p just like getting smaller spoke alloys on a car as opposed to thick things :p.

    I was originally planning to do the exact same mod on my machine a few weeks ago (Adding another intake for air on the opposite side.) MSI did it though :p
     
  9. Phinagle

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    Some of my favorite lines from this review's really bad translation:

    When Dell took over production for AW they claimed it would open up the brand to lots of new countries....sadly the reviewer's country was not one of them.

    On second thought, that'd still be no excuse for confusing the GT660 for an Alienware. :nah:

    Good thing other parts aren't the jealous type.

    Queue Rocky montage music.

    The worse translation, the funnier joke.

    I absolutely love this. A review that tells you to go Google another review if you're interested in how good one of the features is of the product the first review is reviewing.

    Chatroulette. If you don't know how it applies than you can Google the images after you're done reading about DynaAudio.

    etc. = CUDA. It was only one letter longer to type out.
     
  10. Phinagle

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    Cooling in the GT660 does look very solid but even still I don't expect to see MSI use a GTX 480M in it.
     
  11. catacylsm

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    Yeah dfinately agree, it'd be at its limits alright but from what im reading, the 480 is a pointless gpu compared to the 5870 anyway, performance inceease that was promised isn't there apparently,

    Msi should give the user a choice of GPU i think, 5 series Ati both 5850 and 70 (some heat and power differences supposedly) and the 4 series fermi parts (not 480) unlessmgtx 285 gets a push
     
  12. Xazur

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    I'd still doubt MSI would release it with GTX 285m if it was inferior. The fact that it has lots of support should be a plus, rather than a newly released video card with hardly any support. I am all for the GT660 other than the fact it weighs 3.5kg, low resolution, and being a Sager NP8690 look alike(back side). I don't quite like having ports in the back, even my 3yr old notebook doesn't have any.

    Read the review, aside from the poor grammar it was very good. Love how cool it runs, that being said, hope it comes with GPU upgrade.

    I wonder if the LED lights only come in orange..........
     
  13. min2209

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    You never know. Companies do weird things. Asus also went from a GTX260M to a GTS360M in their G51/G60 series which is a downgrade. They could easily have popped a HD 5870 in there without even redesigning the chassis as the 5870 has the same TDP as the GTX260M, but... :S
     
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    will there be barebones of gt 660 and gt 760 gt 760 looks like a sager np8760
     
  15. Xazur

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    @min2209 : Well MSI states they hold the right to make changes to specs without notifying buyers. So really, who knows.
     
  16. NotEnoughMinerals

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    everyone manufacturer has one of those disclaimers, wouldn't really consider it anything out of the ordinary
     
  17. min2209

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    Yes. Also, they've already displayed the machine with the GTX285M. And outside of the NBR circle, that machine will be eyecatching enough to sell.
     
  18. catacylsm

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    Dont forget that 260 in the g51 was downclocked OEM (although people pushed it back to stock clock) and ran fairly hot, i wouldn't use a 5870 inside as it puts even the MSI's 740's cooling down quite harshly (Where as a 4850 runs so cool its almost a joke.)

    285 is nothing short of a decent card, but for a notebook with such a heavy display of entertainment equipment, (Dynaudio, light bulbs, glossy new finnish, dual HDD) You'd expect nothing short of the best.
     
  19. Xazur

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    Hm... did you noticed the price at the end?
    109,995 Philippine Peso which is 2,380.98 US Dollar at todays exchange rate. Wouldn't it be around $1500?!?
     
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    Wow, 1366x768 on a 16" screen, what were they thinking?
     
  22. catacylsm

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    Awesome res for gaming, and tbh fine for 16", im using 1440 on my 17" machine and it rocks, can have two windows up at the same time which is more then enough for me in windows, and for gaming my 4850 still blows through games like butter.
     
  23. NotEnoughMinerals

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    1366x768 sounds really low to enthusiasts but remember, it's still technically 720p + a bit

    Not sure if most mainstream consumers can even tell the difference

    ...then again this isnt marketed as a mainstream laptop
     
  24. catacylsm

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    Whaaa again its down to preference not enthusiast level, i will always take the lower res over 1080p, but thats for gaming,

    Now for movies, i have my HDTV for that.

    I think its ideal the res, but i've found alot of people setting the res of their 1080p machines down to 1680 or 1440 too, especially on the dell xps studio 15, beaut screen, too small text, and the text size settings (Dpp) are junk with some apps.

    I think they should release two models.
     
  25. Phinagle

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    Your reasons for taking lower resolutions screens are becoming less and less valid over time as GPUs are advancing faster than games.

    Features like Eyefinity and 120Hz screens are becoming popular now not because of 3D, but because even a single mobile Enthusiast level GPU has become more capable of pushing games to playable frame rates at max settings and/or higher screen resolutions, and people want a way to make use of their notebook's extra graphics power.
     
  26. catacylsm

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    Thats very true, to the point where even GPUs can handle at 1080p but even then the lower res, is again going to produce more frames,

    Now as he current generation of consoles is set for a while, what happens when me meet another shift in console tech, i really use consoles as an example because of the amount of ports we see today,

    But when games advance to using all the GPU's capabilities, and more, the lower res will prevail again.

    I personally would say i have 0% need for a 5870 right now, because the majority of games i play are still not DX11, and the tesselation stuff is nice, but im not really seing it much in games, and playing games, even dx10 high quality stuff is fine, its not really getting to the part where im enjoying the graphics more or less these days,

    And we both admit the 285 is nothing to be excited about, so i just think its a good choice.
     
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    Wow, i like it, very sleek looking :)
     
  29. Camzy

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    I was really thinking of buying this until i read this thread with the complaints on resolution and the 285 =(
     
  30. Phinagle

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    I'd avoid pre-ordering from Amazon and wait for a reseller to start selling the GT660.
     
  31. Xazur

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    *sigh* I quess we can assume the GT660 won't be released until next month. This is totally fail on MSI's part. there is going to be a new tax is Canada which increase the cost. Also the later the release the more people will just wait for the next best thing (G53).
     
  32. Silicon Chip

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    Really do ppl scale down in laptops? Cuz the blur it creates is just unbearable by me and I suppose its a thing to do only with laptop lcd's since desktop lcd's dont suffer from blur on scaling down.
     
  33. NotEnoughMinerals

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    Well a lot of people just install games and play without looking at the settings which are normally default set to less than native
     
  34. Xazur

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    Higher resolution is great, but I find sometimes setting everything to high detail forces you to squint like hell to even tell what your looking at, especially if its far away. Lower resolution, will actually distinct the object that is really hard to make out.

    I play BFBC2 and turning everything to low, allows me to see people through objects :eek:
     
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    Yeah they do, i've seen it alot to be fair,

    15" 1080p doesn't blur too badly because the density on the screen of that size is so high.

    Xaz, you cheater! :p
     
  36. Xazur

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    Lolz, I don't cheat on purpose, the comp I play on just has really old graphics card. So I set everything to low. I still can't get BFBC2 to run good though, the graphics is always distorted some way. Hard to spot stuff I ain't looking at.
     
  37. Silicon Chip

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    Hey do we know the barebone model for GT660?
    I was looking at the pics and its amazing(minus the nVidia) :p
     
  38. Phinagle

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    Hmmm read the review, and its fairly good comments. One thing I didn't really like was the rubber stubs on the underside of the notebook, kinda big. Wondering if it will be a pain to use on the lap. Also the power brick really does look big, wonder if it weighs more too.
     
  40. Xazur

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    Hmmmm there is info saying GT660 has been released in USA. Not sure if its true though.
     
  41. Phinagle

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    Still listed as a pre-order on Amazon while none of the usual U.S. resellers have the GT660 model listed at all....frankly I'd totally understand it if resellers stayed clear of the GT660 until it gets a 400M GPU.
     
  42. Xazur

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    Speaking of which, can people get the GT660 in India already, or was it just simply announced that it will be available in India at a certain date.
     
  43. Silicon Chip

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    India? It takes a month after you confirm the order.
    It was a real pain in the @$$ to get my hands on my GT725 when I ordered it a year back.

    But I'll check and let ya guys know.
     
  44. Xazur

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    This is really getting dumb, MSI just released info again on GT660 but with nothing changed, and still no pricing and release date. Come August, if this isn't released I am getting Asus G53.
     
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    The GT660's will be available early next week. We should have them up tonight.
     
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    No barebones or HD+ screen options?

    The upgrade to the i7-840QM isn't worth the extra cost. Buy an SSD instead.
     
  48. NotEnoughMinerals

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    yea to make this thing viable in my eyes, I would want at least a 1600x900 screen option
     
  49. Xazur

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    The screen is already 16:9 ratio, the native resolution is just lower so people can get better FPS while gaming, if you want just increase the screen resolution. Also I think the screen resolution is HD+. I'd like to get SSD but they don't offer it :( and I don't really do my own configurations since I might break it.

    BTW, is upgrading the wifi card worth it? to the Inel Centrino Advanced or Ultimate-N.
     
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    +1000. One of the single best upgrades you can do to a laptop.
     
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