MSI GT725 now with Intel Centrino & ATI Radeon Mobility 4850

has anyone preordered it yet???

 

the price should be 1349/1359 when it's released i think amazon is charging 10 more dollars

 

Thanks...

 

I guess it's only the 4670 which is still pretty good.

http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=135&cat2_no=271&prod_no=1702

how do you guys think the 4670 will preform compared to Nvidea cards?

 

If it's anything like my 2600, it should perform okay in newer games. If it's anything like it should be, as it's two generations newer, it should perform fine at medium settings, and perhaps even high.. But that's just my conjecture.

 

How would this go against the P-7811FX? and what would be better the 9800m GTS or the m4850?

 

In actual fact, no one really knows.

Well like we have said, there are currently no true and official, real world gaming performance benchmarks for the HD4850. Yet. I never like to assume things, so don't mention about notebookcheck.

Just hold on till Jan 2009 when its available and someone has really bought and tested it extensively; then, we can really compare it head on to other similar Nvidia Cards. I'd like to do the same as well.

 

oh so the m4850 isn't out yet?

 

Well it's still in pre-order status in Amazon (USD1599) and elsewhere. And.... Not that I heard the GT725 in retail stores yet. Even here in Asia.

http://www.amazon.com/MSI-GT725-075US-17-Inch-Laptop-2-53Ghz/dp/B001N44U94

 

doesn't MSI have a 9800m ver.?
I don't know if I want the 7811FX or the asus 50VT X2 or this one.

 

Yep. The 15.4" MSI GT627 has the 9800M GS. Same with the 50VT. One thing I like in favor of the 50VT is the ability to put dual HDDs in a 15.4 form factor.

In favor of the GT627, like all other high end MSI notebooks its processor can be overclocked via Turbo button.

Gateway's FX-7811 is a 17" and weighs 4kg/~7 Ibs. If you're comparing, the main difference is weight and screen size. You need to ask yourself whether if portability and weight is a concern, then maybe the 15 inchers 50VT/GT627 is for you.

Or if you don't mind a 17" in a backpack and you don't want to skimp on GPU performance, and a beautiful gorgeous display and resolution, then the 7811 and GT725 is a great buy. Hope that helps.

 

yeah helps alot thanks I really don't care about size cause its replacing my desktop.
but I think the Asus 50VT looks the best

 

i dont know, my guess is a 9700gt which i still pretty good we will have to wait and see

 

i just might order this. i wonder how long it will take to arrive. it about the same price as the sager 5793.

 

i too wanna order this one..but i am not sure when i am gonna receive it

 

even those posters say early jan 2009. is that the 1 day, 1 week,2nd week or early spring. it is like waiting for that awesome movie to come out. the waiting is a killer.

 

icon what posters are u toking about?

 

Starting here:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=4170035&postcount=33

Anyone heard of the mobility codename M97? http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=11097&Itemid=1

And why are they saying, that the M98 isn't done yet?
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=11090&Itemid=1

 

DDR5? Wow i thought that was only gonna be for the desktop versions i thought they would have kept ddr3 on notebooks. That 3d performance is gonna be stunning

 

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Default Re: MSI GT725 now with Intel Centrino & ATI Radeon Mobility 4850
I've sent an email out to all german MSI distributors and I've got some information about availability (I already translated it):

Code:

Dear Mr. B.,

This notebook is expected to be available in january 2009.

Kind regards,
Your MSI Team

No HD4850-notebooks at christmas?

 

The Mobility HD 4850 specs most closely match the desktop HD 4830 -- you can see how the 55nm process pays off when you look at the SP's. They can keep all the stream processors (Something NVidia can't do) and only have to step down the clocks to keep heat under control. 3dMark06 scores are deceiving because it's such a CPU limited benchmark it doesn't reflect real gaming anymore.

Desktop HD 4830:
-575/900 GDDR3
-640 SP's

Mobility HD 4850
-550/750 GDDR3
-800 SP's

3dMark Vantage however is far more indicative of current graphics, a 9800M GTX scores 3900 in the GPU subscore on the performance setting. A desktop HD 48 30 scores 5400 in the GPU subscore on the performance setting.

Bottom line: The Mobility HD 4850 is likely to perform very close to the desktop HD 4830. The desktop HD 4830 falls in between the desktop 9800 GT and 9800 GTX, depending on the game. For reference, the 9800M GTX performs on the same level as the desktop 9600 GSO. This will be a beast of a card and will solidly dethrone NVidia as the graphics king.

Edit: If anybody wants benchmarks, I'll downclock my HD 4850 to mobility specs (Everything else is identical, just lower clocks), downclock my CPU, and run it as a dual core for any gaming tests you want. I have Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed, TF2, S.T.A.L.K.E.R., Bioshock, The Witcher, and Left 4 Dead that I can run FRAPS Min/Max/Avg tests with.

 

I would be interested in your downclocked benchmarks. I want to compare that with the actual numbers when the MSI's are available.

 

man this is will blow away all this lappy's in the same price range.......

 

I hope zipzoomfly gets these in stock...

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=10009866

 

You guys are gonna love this, and I mean love. Preliminary tests are extremely positive.

I'm using this post for reference: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=293258

That user has a 9800M GTX with a Q9650 running at 3 GHz. I tried to closely replicate the performance of the MSI notebook, so without modifying my BIOS settings, CPU affinity was dual core (Cores 2 and 3) @ 3.32 GHz, it's as close as I could get (Will do that later). My GPU was running at 550/750, so it should provide identical results to the mobile version. One weird thing to note is that when I run this benchmark, no matter what settings, my first run is always 3-4 FPS slower than the subsequent runs. The more accurate of the 4 is runs 2-4.

12/25/2008 6:33:36 PM - XP
Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX9 1680x1050, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 32 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=4, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
==============================================================
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 73.12s, Average FPS: 27.35
Min FPS: 20.79 at frame 149, Max FPS: 35.78 at frame 999
Average Tri/Sec: -26658028, Tri/Frame: -974631
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.94
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 65.42s, Average FPS: 30.57
Min FPS: 20.79 at frame 149, Max FPS: 35.78 at frame 999
Average Tri/Sec: -29426704, Tri/Frame: -962612
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.95
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 65.43s, Average FPS: 30.57
Min FPS: 20.79 at frame 149, Max FPS: 35.78 at frame 999
Average Tri/Sec: -29417312, Tri/Frame: -962448
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.95
!TimeDemo Run 3 Finished.
Play Time: 65.48s, Average FPS: 30.55
Min FPS: 20.79 at frame 149, Max FPS: 35.78 at frame 999
Average Tri/Sec: -29417394, Tri/Frame: -963069
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.95
TimeDemo Play Ended, (4 Runs Performed)

-------------------------------------------------------------

Initial thoughts: A 3.32 C2D with (Emulated, but identical specs) Mobility HD 4850 outperforms a Core 2 Quad 3.0 GHz with 9800M GTX -- by an average of 8 FPS. That's huge. Also impressive is the minimum FPS is 20, which is a full 8 FPS higher than the 9800M GTX system. To reiterate, this was with identical clocks / stream processors to the mobile version.

I'll run some more benchmarks later, I have to downclock my CPU from the BIOS since RMClock blue screens me if I attempt to do it from there. Microsoft has a program I think that lets you configure persistent CPU affinity settings so I'll also run that so I can get a proper dual core benchmark. For reference, my full spec 4850 with full CPU speed / cores gets a 36.55 average FPS with the same settings.

 

Great tests, man. I appreciate it.

Still, I'd like to see how the real mobile HD480 perform on stocks and a on mobile CPU tested on one of the MSI GT725s.

 

Could you run Vantage and Crysis again in DX10 mode? and if possible, could you downclock the CPU to the original 2.4ghz? A q6600 with half the cores running would be similar to a P8600, which one of the GT725 models would come from.

 

Did some more research on the Crysis numbers for a Single 9800M GTX, and if you factor in the DX9 vs. DX10, and granted that those scores of an underclocked 4850 are reflective of its mobile variant, they should perform very similarly actually (in Crysis at least), maybe the 9800M GTX having the upper hand due to the extra 512mb of memory.

 

I'm not so sure about that ichime. Got a chance to do a proper set up, I locked my CPU multiplier to 6x in my BIOS so I'm running at 2.49 GHz, which should be comparable to a P8600 -- although you'll see further down that in these tests it's GPU limited, not CPU limited. This set of results indicates that the Mobility HD 4850 is going to be a total beast. Crysis is universally known as a game that's unfriendly to ATI GPUs so the fact that there's such a gulf in the performance even in Crysis tells me a lot.

CPU: 2.49 GHz (6x515 multiplier) (Using only 2 cores also)
GPU: 550 / 750

DX9 1680x1050, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 32 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=3, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
==============================================================
Play Time: 70.24s, Average FPS: 28.47
Min FPS: 15.94 at frame 139, Max FPS: 34.97 at frame 975
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 65.22s, Average FPS: 30.67
Min FPS: 15.94 at frame 139, Max FPS: 35.00 at frame 990
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 65.13s, Average FPS: 30.71
Min FPS: 15.94 at frame 139, Max FPS: 35.30 at frame 980
TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)

Nearly identical to my results when running at 3.32 GHz dual core, which indicates the game is GPU limited not CPU limited -- meaning my FPS are a result of the video card, not the processor. This next result though, to me, is what seals the deal that the Mobility 4850 is not just faster, it's a lot faster. I underclocked the card even further to 400/650 (150/100 under mobility stock) and it still performed within 1 FPS of the 9800M GTX results in the other thread, with a minimum FPS of 4 higher (This means smoother gameplay).

CPU: 2.49 GHz (6x515 multiplier) (Using only 2 cores also)
GPU: 400 / 650

DX9 1680x1050, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 32 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=3, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
==============================================================
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 88.49s, Average FPS: 22.60
Min FPS: 16.35 at frame 140, Max FPS: 28.01 at frame 996
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 84.60s, Average FPS: 23.64
Min FPS: 16.35 at frame 140, Max FPS: 28.01 at frame 996
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 84.64s, Average FPS: 23.63
Min FPS: 16.35 at frame 140, Max FPS: 28.08 at frame 975
TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)
==============================================================

The fact that this card will run 150/100 MHz slower than mobility stock speeds and still perform on par with the 9800M GTX is astounding. While it's completely understandable that you all want benchmarks from the actual Mobility HD 4850, the more I test this the more I'm certain that it will not just beat the 9800M GTX, it's going to destroy it. It's not like other mobile GPUs that lose both stream processors and clock speeds, it's simply lower clocks -- and if it's anything like the desktop counterpart, overclocking will give significant gains.

 

When did this get released?

 

It hasn't, but a downclocked desktop HD 4850 has identical specs and thus identical performance to a Mobility HD 4850.

 

I'm sorry, my question is actually "When did we find out the specs of the mobile 4850?"

 

Ohhh lol. I have no idea but it's on Wikipedia and that gets policed pretty well.

 

not sure how msi is releasing these in january. i just became a ocz reseller and i was told by them the earliest these will be available is march 2009..

 

yeah, the M98 (ATi 4850) specs are on wikipedia, although Fudzilla suggested that the core clock may be 500mhz instead of 550.

Also, in reference to the OCZ whitebook, they're probably referring to the M98XT (the ATi 4870) rather than the 4850, though it would be nice if they also offered the 4850 cards too.

 

not sure i was told 4850 by ocz..

 

If the R4850 in the MSI GT725 is an MXM-III card and someone finds out it works in the OCZ book, then either OCZ or Flextronics are just being lazy.

 

well ill be able to get my hands on the card as soon as its available from msi

 

i thought someone on the thread got a email saying it will be out in jan, 2009.

 

i thought someone on the thread got a email saying it will be out in jan, 2009.

 

i sure hope it would! i am waiting impatiently for them to release it already! but then jan 09 is only in the states. It might take a while longer for them to release it in the UK! DARN!!!!

 

maybe the one in march is a crossfire version?

 

can anyone read posts after #140? i cant!

 

No problem reading posts 141, 142 . 143 ...etc

 

hmm now i can... sorry abt the alarm, guys =D

 

i hope so, im not looking for a crossfire version, jst a single GPU one =D

Bring on Jan 2009!!!

 

but what if they don't bring in jan 2009 but hold off til say summer when all the high schooler go off to college for higher learning ( mostly girls, guys and video games with parties on the side). what if?????????????????????

 

i did from a reseller but i was actually asking about the gt627 but he gave me information about the gt725
and he said in January

 

thanks for the confirmation

 

Please stay on-topic in this thread and don't post insulting comments. I had to delete several posts. Thank you.