MSI GT725 now with Intel Centrino & ATI Radeon Mobility 4850

I read somewhere that this notebook is only going to be 7 lbs, is this with the battery? Also i read that it was only going to be 1.3 or so inches thick, is this with the screen shut?

Also how is the 4850 graphics card? Is it as good as the nvidia 9800 gts?

The reason I ask is because I was looking into buying the sager NP8660 but this laptop seems to have similar dimensions and contains a larger screen at a cheaper price.

 

first off there is a huge possibility because MSI's new 16" notebook is gonna be under 6 pounds! They really use some kind of lightweight material or something

Second according to 3d mark scores ive seen and they were posted in this MSI forum this card gets about 500 points more which is fascinating because this is only a 4850 so a 4870 must be much better because the 3870 was quite a bit better then the 3850 so we have to wait and see it is exciting though

 

Product Dimensions: 15.5 x 10.9 x 1.3 inches ; 7 pounds

I believe this graphics card competes with the 9800 GTX.

 

I believe someone on these same forums tested a "fake" HD4850(underclocking the desktop version) and he said it totally destroys the 9800gtx, like 4-10fps more Can't find the link though, sorry.

I don't want to imagine what the 4870 will be..

 

Link? It's like one page back in this very topic.

 

Lol, sorry, browsing forums like mad lately, bit confused

 

I've seen that. The only problem was that the "fake" one (downclocked 4850) ran Crysis at DX9 while the 9800M GTX in comparison ran it at DX10. There is a performance difference between DX9 and DX10, and accounting for that and granted that the actual Mobility 4850 performs similarly to a downlocked desktop version, it would perform similarly to the 9800M GTX in Crysis. Nontheless, I believe (again, IF downclocked desktop 4850 = mobility 4850) the mobility 4850 will outperform the 9800M GTX in most other games.

 

it should in most games but alot of the benchmarks ive seen it seems as if Crysis was built under an nvidia architecture because one it says nvidia at the beginning and two any time i see a graphics card comparison the nvidia gpu comes out on top in crysis so that may have been true but there are alot of great games other then crysis.

 

There's a country named GERMANY based in the STATES?
Read my inital post about the release-date here:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=4170035&postcount=33

 

well, its jan 2009, still not on sell.......

 

didnt you email german distributors? are u not german?

never mind, i get you now. i think there are other posters who said it would be released in jan 09 in the USA

 

whiner...
January the 1st is a holiday u know.
No work and so on, u get the point?!

 

You keep saying this with no real numbers to back it up. My benchmarks with a downclocked 4850 are a full 5-8 FPS faster than either DX9 or DX10 with 9800M GTX (Taking DX10 hit into account) so I have no idea where you're pulling out of thin air that the the Mobility 4850 will perform on par with the 9800M GTX. It's pure conjecture. My underclocked benchmarks put the Mobility HD 4850 at 25% faster than the 9800M GTX -- DX9 vs DX10 has never been a 25% performance hit in any benchmark ever conducted on any system configuration.

Based on actual benchmarks the 9800M GTX performs similarly to the desktop 9600 GSO. The Mobility HD 4850 should based on clocks and shaders perform just faster than a desktop HD 4830 -- the desktop 4830 is faster than a desktop 9800 GT, and spars with the desktop 9800 GTX.

Yes, it's all speculation, but the difference is you're pulling numbers and comparisons out of thin air whereas I'm referencing actual benchmarks and card specifications.

 

yes today is a holliday, but everything in automode to advertise products

 

You guys are taking the release date a little too literally. MSI supposedly promised a release date of January 2009, that could mean today or the 31st.

Anyways, ZipZoomFly just listed it on their website, which means it's very close to becoming available for sale.

 

I'm not pulling anything out of the air. I'm basing this on actual facts. There is a difference in performance between DX9 and DX10, let alone between Windows XP and Vista, which is why I asked if you could run those benchmarks in Vista using DX10. To show you what I mean, look at the following links:

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/10/30/his-ati-radeon-hd-4830-512mb/4

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/10/30/his-ati-radeon-hd-4830-512mb/5

As you can see on average, Crysis in DX10 produces lower frame rates than it does in DX9. Looking at the 1680x1050 0xAA chart in DX9 and DX10, the 4830 (which is being reviewed) scores 24.2 in DX9 and 21 fps in DX10, which equates about a 13% drop between the two APIs. Of course, this is not a universal thing, but say we factor in that 13% drop to your results, and your LOWEST would be 23.8 fps, and highest being 26.4 fps. It still beats the system you compared, but still trails the following system also equipped with a 9800M GTX:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=295777

I'm sure drivers could close up that difference, but it does substantiate my claim that granted the downclocked 4850 = mobility 4850, it would perform similarly to the 9800M GTX in Crysis.

Also, today might be your lucky day because I also have a system (a HTPC) with an ATi Radeon 4850 (512mb), DDR3 memory, Q6600 (2.4 ghz) and Windows Vista Ultimate 64 bit. I just got Crysis yesterday and I'm going to install it right now on it to see what I come up with (I installed it on my laptop first to see how the game is, though I'm having some issues with how the game runs though).

 

Hi there,

Please keep us updated with your findings ...

Thanks

Funky Falling Cat Spangky - Keeps Falling Along

 

wow, how can you beat the price for this laptop? This is just phenomenal come on Asus wheres your 4850?!

 

Ok, got some numbers of my own, this time running Windows Vista Ultimate 64 bit on a stock Q6600 processor, 2gb DDR3. I compared Catalyst 8.9 to 8.12 drivers and even downclocked it to 500mhz core IF the M4850 indeed comes with 500mhz instead of 550, what many people believe to be the final clock speed.

Catalyst 8.9 Drivers, 550mhz core 750mhz memory:

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TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 97.95s, Average FPS: 20.42
Min FPS: 2.93 at frame 1027, Max FPS: 31.92 at frame 868
Average Tri/Sec: -19351760, Tri/Frame: -947785
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.97
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 73.88s, Average FPS: 27.07
Min FPS: 2.93 at frame 1027, Max FPS: 32.72 at frame 984
Average Tri/Sec: -25336294, Tri/Frame: -935911
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.98
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 72.47s, Average FPS: 27.60
Min FPS: 2.93 at frame 1027, Max FPS: 33.48 at frame 80
Average Tri/Sec: -25840192, Tri/Frame: -936289
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.98
!TimeDemo Run 3 Finished.
Play Time: 72.30s, Average FPS: 27.66
Min FPS: 2.93 at frame 1027, Max FPS: 33.64 at frame 72
Average Tri/Sec: -25925620, Tri/Frame: -937184
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.98
TimeDemo Play Ended, (4 Runs Performed)
==============================================================

NEXT BENCH RUN- 1/1/2009 7:53:25 PM - Vista 64
Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX10 1680x1050, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 64 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=3, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
==============================================================
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 99.98s, Average FPS: 20.00
Min FPS: 0.59 at frame 1644, Max FPS: 32.74 at frame 1005
Average Tri/Sec: -19506726, Tri/Frame: -975124
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.94
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 71.83s, Average FPS: 27.84
Min FPS: 0.59 at frame 1644, Max FPS: 33.28 at frame 1001
Average Tri/Sec: -26790254, Tri/Frame: -962183
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.95
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 71.75s, Average FPS: 27.87
Min FPS: 0.59 at frame 1644, Max FPS: 33.28 at frame 1001
Average Tri/Sec: -26820668, Tri/Frame: -962257
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.95
TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)
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Catalyst 8.12 Stock Clocks (625mhz core 993mhz memory):

NEXT BENCH RUN- 1/1/2009 8:15:20 PM - Vista 64
Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX10 1680x1050, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 64 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=3, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
==============================================================
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 87.86s, Average FPS: 22.76
Min FPS: 5.25 at frame 685, Max FPS: 38.62 at frame 859
Average Tri/Sec: -22207144, Tri/Frame: -975562
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.94
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 63.06s, Average FPS: 31.72
Min FPS: 5.25 at frame 685, Max FPS: 39.19 at frame 974
Average Tri/Sec: -30550758, Tri/Frame: -963249
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.95
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 63.69s, Average FPS: 31.40
Min FPS: 5.25 at frame 685, Max FPS: 40.99 at frame 61
Average Tri/Sec: -30244574, Tri/Frame: -963072
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.95
TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)
==============================================================

Catalyst 8.12 550mhz core, 750mhz memory:

NEXT BENCH RUN- 1/1/2009 8:23:03 PM - Vista 64
Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX10 1680x1050, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 64 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=3, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
==============================================================
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 82.35s, Average FPS: 24.29
Min FPS: 10.51 at frame 547, Max FPS: 33.06 at frame 986
Average Tri/Sec: -23687482, Tri/Frame: -975367
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.94
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 70.92s, Average FPS: 28.20
Min FPS: 10.51 at frame 547, Max FPS: 33.88 at frame 1004
Average Tri/Sec: -27136698, Tri/Frame: -962253
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.95
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 70.76s, Average FPS: 28.26
Min FPS: 10.51 at frame 547, Max FPS: 33.88 at frame 1004
Average Tri/Sec: -27226058, Tri/Frame: -963259
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.95
TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)
==============================================================

Catalyst 8.12 500mhz core, 750mhz memory:

NEXT BENCH RUN- 1/1/2009 8:31:25 PM - Vista 64
Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX10 1680x1050, AA=No AA, Vsync=Disabled, 64 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=3, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
==============================================================
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 85.74s, Average FPS: 23.33
Min FPS: 11.31 at frame 142, Max FPS: 31.20 at frame 873
Average Tri/Sec: -22748612, Tri/Frame: -975178
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.94
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 74.84s, Average FPS: 26.72
Min FPS: 11.31 at frame 142, Max FPS: 32.17 at frame 74
Average Tri/Sec: -25744116, Tri/Frame: -963360
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.95
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 74.56s, Average FPS: 26.82
Min FPS: 11.31 at frame 142, Max FPS: 32.17 at frame 74
Average Tri/Sec: -25848106, Tri/Frame: -963643
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.95
TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)
==============================================================

Completed All Tests

<><><><><><><><><><><><><>>--SUMMARY--<<><><><><><><><><><><><><>

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~~ Overall Average FPS: 27.443333333333333333333333333
NEXT BENCH RUN- 1/1/2009 7:53:25 PM - Vista 64
Run #1- DX10 1680x1050 AA=No AA, 64 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Overall Average FPS: 27.855
NEXT BENCH RUN- 1/1/2009 8:15:20 PM - Vista 64
Run #1- DX10 1680x1050 AA=No AA, 64 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Overall Average FPS: 31.56
NEXT BENCH RUN- 1/1/2009 8:23:03 PM - Vista 64
Run #1- DX10 1680x1050 AA=No AA, 64 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Overall Average FPS: 28.23
NEXT BENCH RUN- 1/1/2009 8:31:25 PM - Vista 64
Run #1- DX10 1680x1050 AA=No AA, 64 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Overall Average FPS: 26.77

 

So conservatively estimating, 4-5 FPS on an extremely NVidia friendly title. Not bad at all. 15-18% higher performance in an NVidia home run game is a victory for ATI, and this is with the Mobility HD 4870 allegedly waiting in the wings.

 

sorry i am a bit confused here but ...

does the ATI card performs better then the 9800 GTX ???




Thanks


Funky Falling Cat Spangky - Keeps Falling Along

 

If the projections of its performance ring true, yes, it seems to decidedly outperform the 9800M GTX.

 

hi there,

by how much does the ATI card out performs the 9800 GTX ?

Thanks

Falling Funky Cat Spangky - Keeps Falling Along

 

13-25% is my estimate, depending on if the game is NVidia friendly or ATI friendly.

 

so which one wins 9800m gs or ati 4850

 

...9800M GS? The 9800M GTX is going to be significantly outperformed by the 4850.

 

Are you comparing this system:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=293258

or this one:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=295777

?

Oddly enough, the latter system has a weaker processor yet scores much higher. Could be a driver issue?

 

It's got to be more than a driver issue for a 9800M GTX to score the same as a desktop 9800 GTX:

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/imageview.php?image=11900
http://www.thetechlounge.com/article/567-2/PNY-GeForce-9800-GTX-512MB-XLR8-Video-Card/

Something's not right with emike's scores since there's no way it's getting that kind of performance.

 

WoW this is very good news ...

I did not expect this and it has come as a big surprised ...

I always thought that ATI cards do well on 3d mark benchmarks ... artificially

This is really great news ...

This site never sieze to amaze me ...

nearly every second ... i check this site and on every check ... i find a system out performing another ... there is always one that tops the other ...

 

That was until this happened:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341

And it all changed.

 

wow ...

so thats the turning point for ATI ...

 

Well, keep in mind that the 9800 GTX has 512mb while the 9800M GTX has 1gb, so memory may be a factor in those scores. As a matter of fact, one of the links you provided features an older 8800M GTX with 768 megs of onboard memory beating the newer 9800M GTX in those benchmarks.

 

Crysis appears to make more use of GPU memory, but unlikely to be that much of a difference.

 

I might be pulling the trigger on this bad boy when it pops in stock at Newegg. Do we have a date yet? I know its listed on Zipzoomfly's site.

 

GTA IV is also another game that uses alot of video memory

 

We don't, unfortunately. Best guess is January, not before the 5th though I'd say(MSI offices are closed till then).

 

GTA IV uses much more memory than it should given the poor quality textures.

 

any one know if the screen uses dual lamps? also, please post any news with regards to availablity in the UK, if possible! thanks!

 

Alright guys, I also did some Vantage and 3dmark06 with an underclocked Desktop 4850. The results (namely the 3d06 results) seem to be in line with what was provided in the following:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/21969965@N05/

So I guess it would be an accurate assessment to say that an underclocked desktop 4850 will most likely = mobility 4850 (comparing the SM2.0 and SM3.0 scores in 3d06). I'll post up screenshots soon.

 

i wonder how much of a heat issue the laptop will have

 

i thought ATi had no heat prbs, unlike nVidia?

 

everything produces heat. it is out it gets rid of it thats important

 

i know they do, its just that no one really hears of heat problems with ATi cards as opposed to nVidia cards or?

 

I'm Austrian, but the info about the releasedate was sent to me by a german distributor.
You said something about the MSI GT725 to be released in january 09 ONLY in the states.

There were alot of overheating problems with the RV770. Try renaming furmark.exe to fumark.exe and you'll overheat every stock 4850/4870. But that's because of their crappy fancontrol. Whenever I benchmark my HD4850, I manually set the fanspeed to about 55% and it works! Stock coolers run with about 23% idle and they're getting hot after a short time of load.

 

i guess i made a mistake with the release date but i found out that the 725 will be released in the UK around the same time.

also i suppose it would be officially released after CES 09.

 

I hope this help

just need some advise is it worth waitng for MSI GT727 ?

this info came direct from msi
"Sorry for the late reply, because I am still waiting for the reply form UK.
If you want GT725, you can go MicroAnvika to buy GT725.

Here is MicroAnvika’s web site as follows for your reference.
http://www.microanvika.com/search.asp?keywords=GT725

And UK will receive the GT725 until Feb. About GT727, it will be later than GT725, and I don’t know the assured date".

 

I thought the MSI GT725 only had a 320GB Hard Drive...but now it looks like it'll have a 500GB HD

 

Well keep in mind alot of the time a computer specd for the US and a computer specd for UK have some slight diffrences. They might get the 500g hd where as we will only have the 320 offered to us. I noticed that there are alot of diffrences when looking at laptops built for the US vs Non-US.

 

The real difference between the gt725 and the gt727 is the ram clock speed.
Which, if you do a lot of gaming, may affect your gameplay, but ram at 800MHz dual channel is still fast enough. If you are concerned about HDD space, you can always install a larger one.

 

From what I am gathering the 727 is going to have better battery life. The 727 has DDR3, 4 speakers and a sub, while the 725 has DDR2, 5 speakers and a sub. I'm not even sure if this will substantially increase battery life or not.

So is it worth waiting for? It all depends on how long you are willing to wait. If the 727 is going to be released within a few months of the 725 I'll PROBABLY wait, if I can stand it