MSI GX 60 mit 7970

Unless something's happened in the last twenty-four hours, all attempts at overclocking notebook Trinity have failed. As baiii pointed out, the HP folks are not meeting any success.

I don't know about totally wrong, but it'll definitely be disappointingly wrong.

From what I'm seeing, the 4600m is far behind the 720qm, and is about the level of an i3-2310m. From what I'm guessing (I have the same GPU, and almost the same GPU) the performance gained from the 7970m GPU-wise will be about the same performance lost as the 4600m, CPU-wise. Say... 40-odd percent?

On this page Meaker did some testing. If we make the reasonable assumption that A10-4600m = i3-2310m, Meaker's test results show us that the 4600m would bottleneck the GPU by nearly 25% FPS versus a more powerful Ivy Bridge i7.

In the grand scheme of things, a more powerful GPU is more important when gaming than a powerful CPU. However, when the CPU is that gimped it turns ugly.

Xotic is good. Gentech's good too. Just about any reseller who has a presence on these forums will give you great service.

But go with GenTech. Ken is awesome.

I do have it on good authority that the MSI barebone 7970m should be compatible with the GT60.

 

I really do not see why MSI would not give us any real solid information...Maybe they are reading our posts and deciding they made some bad decisions

I sent a request to MSI's pre-sale department for any information and got the cold shoulder ... at least I tried lol.

"Unfortunately there is no information available on a pre released product, these specs are subject to change and this is why we are unable to answer your particular questions, you may visit our press center for more information about up and coming product releases including the GX60"

 

I second that

 

i hope the barebone/w 7970 is like 800 i plan on tinkering with it for my gfs laptop

 

Lol, I highly doubt that...7970 alone worth 300ish, with all those other component together, I would guess no more than 1000, maybe around the 900 range

 

I'm thinking that MSI got some sort of deal with AMD where they would get a discount if they used all AMD parts.

 

It's more along the lines of MSI signing a deal with nVidia (I think) saying that AMD-based systems will be unbranded (barebones).

 

I actually don't think they signed any deal with nvidia, I mean MSI they make AMD radeon graphic cards, sooooo I don't think they made any specific deals with nvidia

 

Usually the GT series uses nVidia and the GX series uses AMD.

 

Hell if this laptop is around $1200 and has the same features as the GT60, I will be buying it for sure. I mean I looked at benchmarks and saw that the A10 is better than my Phenom ll x4, and I'm really happy with that. So hopefully if this is all true ill be one happy MSI customer.

 

There's no way it's faster than your Phenom II.

 

Well, not everytime. I Had a GT735 and I loved it! Was a very good notebook and very powerful graphics!!

 

Yup look at the benchmarks, I have a Phenom ll x4 970 BE.

 

What benchmarks? An A10 can't even beat Llano clocked at 2.4ghz let alone PII clocked at 3.5.

 

The big thing that drags Trinity down is Floating Point. I would like to see how it compares against llano in benchmarks that involve very little floating point operations.. or perhaps Trinity GPU assisting in FP operations.

I am also very curious when it comes to games and game engines..... how heavy is FP weighted in the instructions? (10%, 15%, 30%, 90%).

With regards to the price... I don't see the barebones model being that much cheaper. The 7970m is one very expensive GPU and I feel that $350 is a very low estimation (more like 450, a consumer buying one now pays 570-600 for a single 7970m).

You also have to factor in CPU(around 100), Mobo(200), Display (100), casing/keyboard/trackpad (100)..... and that doesn't even factor Super Raid, RAM, the power supply, ect. (these are low guestimate numbers).

I really have a hard time seeing how this thing could be in the <= $900 range. More like 1100+. I hope I am wrong though!

Hopefully MSI can give us some info on the GX60 soon

 

I would also love to see the benchmarks, I have a Athlon II x4 on my desk top, and I'm very comfortable with it right now, so if the performance of A-10 actually comes close or better than my current one... o man... I would be VERY happy as well

 

Which Athlon ll x4 do you have? And I'm almost for sure its better than your Athlon.

Also big question. Even tough the A10 will drag the 7970m down, will it still be better than the 670m?

 

Don't have computer with me , but I believe it's a 630 @2.8, I OC to 3.3

 

Yeah the A10 is better than your Athlon. Not a lot better but its still a little bit better.

 

Where are you getting your info? The notebookcheck review put's the A10-4500m at barely faster than a Llano A8-3500m clocked at 1.5ghz, same with Anandtech and pretty much every other review.

There's no way the A10-4500m is faster than an Athlon II at 3.3ghz or your Phenom II at 3.6ghz.

 

I'm just using http://cpubenchmark.net/ Although it may not be 100% accurate i think it gets a pretty good estimate.

 

Passmark is a pretty inaccurate benchmark. A quick glance and I see that it ranks the i7-2820qm over the i7-2920xm.

The FX4100, which is AMD's desktop 2module/4core CPU clocked at 3.6ghz only scores score about 4000 points but somehow the 2module/4core clocked at 2.8 scores 5100.

Piledriver is slower per clock than Phenom II and Athlon II. There's no way a lower clocked 2module/4core PD chip going to beat a higher clocked quad core PII or AII chip. Take a look at some professional reviews and it's pretty clear.

 

=\ that sounds about right, like I said I WOULD be a very happy if it was actually faster than my desktop CPU, I highly doubt it now...

 

So how does the A10-4600 APU fare with the IVB 3610QM? Judging by the review and benchmarks done by Anandtech, I'd say a little below??

 

A lot below. Like 60% performance of the 3610qm single threaded and 30% of the performance multi threaded.

 

thats a bummer......

 

Comon MSI .... when do we get more info...even gt60 with the 680 is coming out already...

 

yeah i agree, i really want some more info, mainly price and what it will feature (steelseries keyboard, dynaudio, etc.)

 

In fact, I would assume MSI was working on the GT60-0NE that's why we don't hear anything on the GX60. With the GT60-0NE coming out end of the month, I guess we can safely guess the GX60 will be coming out end of August? August.........

 

Do you think that we can put a an aftermarket backlight keyboard like the one in the GT60? Because it seems it has the same barebone. If that is the case, than is the GX60 a better choice than a GT60

 

Probably. The 16f3 has the ability to add a backlit keyboard so I don't think there'll be any problem adding one to the GX60.

 

If it doesn't come stock, it'll probably lack the backlight connector.

 

The MSI 16f3 (gt60 barebones) doesn't come with backlit stock, but still has the connector.

 

Yeah I can confirm, it does have the connector.

 

What chance is there of this having a thunderbolt port?

 

How can you confirm this? I hope its true.

I doubt it since the GT60 does not have one. (at least i dont think it does)

 

Well this has its own motherboard obviously so it may not have a connector if they intend not to fit one.

Since the 16F3 and GT60 have the same motherboard they both have the connector.

Pau1ow was talking about the 16F3 when he says it has the connector.

 

Soooo nothing new huh..? Makes me almost wonder if gx60 is real anymore...

 

Yes common MSI, we need some more info.

I have read somewhere that it will cost around 1200$, so about 1000 euro. If so that would be an awesome deal in Europe.
Just buy the aftermarket steelseries keyboard and you have a superb gaminglaptop

 

Yeah that's why I just said screw it and I gave up and just bought the GT60 instead. I figured I'd just not be cheap and just get it for the hell of it and not worry about having to upgrade the keyboard and not worry about the CPU.

 

So I went on ahead and emailed sales department of msi about gx60, I doubt they'll let me know anything new, we'll see...

 

Get back in touch with reality guys. You all keep hating on the A10 and talking about it like it is a complete trash CPU. I am going to make a few factual points for you intel fan boys to chew on. First off. The A10 4600 performance in games (most games being single or 2 threaded) Will be more comparable to a 3rd gen I5. With the new revamped TMP on the trinity APU, Single threaded and double threaded App performance has taken a huge performance increase over Liano series APUs and just about every other CPU AMD has ever released in a mobile platform. Not only that but the new Turbocore 3.0 is almost on point with Intel's turbo boost so at any given moment the chip can switch to 3.2ghz without any modification needed.

You guys also keep claiming that the APu will bottleneck the dedicated graphics card. To an extent this is true but keep in mind most games are far more GPU intensive to begin with. Not CPU laden. So I fail to see how game performance will be bottlenecked on the 7970 with the exception of high cpu bound physics in certain games. But even then, at 3.2ghz, That is enough raw CPU power to produce a more than playable experience.

Next up (and the most important part) is the price point. I dare you to find another laptop at the $1,200 price point that will even come close to offering the in game performance this laptop does. You are going to be paying out the eye balls to get a Nvidia GPU in a laptop with the same performance at anywhere near the price point because you will have to pay the bloated inflated price for the Intel cpu to go with it.

Face it guys. AMD has a smooth business model these days. Yes in extreme multi threaded situations, video editing, file compression, etc. The AMD APU falls short. But it is not going to be an issue in game for 90% of all people looking to buy a laptop at this price point.

 

I believe the argument on APU is over, it is more about when the thing gonna get released (if it is going to) and how much.

 

Alright guys, remember how I said I went on emailing MSI....? Well look up two post. Ok, I actually gotten a somewhat useful respond.

Now this respond is kind of a good/bad news.. =[

Anyway here is the email they sent back

First, that rep mentioned A-8... This is not something I would expect on a high end gaming laptop, but I HIGHLY doubt it'll come out with A-8.

Secondly, " it may or may not'' make it to the U.S. market.............................. I don't like the sound of that......anyone got any experience with something that's not released in the U.S. market, yet get
their hands on one of them??

 

GT685R fits that I think.

 

A8 and A10 both same architecture(same core configuration) iirc, there are plenty of Asia or euro model laptops not sold in US. There was a ASUS 14" that was sold with llano a6 +6650m. The new lenovo S430 is euro only.
With the import fee and stuff, may not worth it. They are not hard to get, just pricey.

And the machine was showcase in Taiwan ~~

 

I would have really liked to have this notebook, because I've never had an AMD based notebook before. Also MSI make it really easy to unlock bios options.

But I didn't have the patience to wait for it so I got a p150HM barebone and Meakers 7970m.

Good luck to those who get this thing when it's released (if that happens).

 

According to a somewhat reliable source from a Chinese forum,
the GX60 will be release by the end of September, with a price tag
of 8999 RMB, which is roughly about $1400 USD.

Both the date and price are not 100% set, due to the source is not a 100% valid source... But I can see them being pretty reasonable.

 

To get back in touch with reality, I would like to point out that AMD's A10-4600M can sustain 3.2GHz for no more than a split second.

If 3.2GHz is reached then it is only for a single core, and that is for only a split second.

This is what you are looking at 3200MHz split second turbo minus 500MHz for you actual usable speed of 2700MHz.

3200MHz - 500MHz = 2700MHz

Fortunately the 2700MHz speed is sustainable over all 4 cores.

 

I don't really understand here, can you explain a little more in detail how it can't sustain 3.2ghz for more than a second?

does this also mean Intel's IVB has the same characteristic? It also can't sustain its max clock for more than a second??