MSI GX740 with 5870 1gb ddr5

Awww.... my OC'd 250m couldn't handle that without hitting 90'c..

Obviously the 5870 cant...

 

Last Run I Have With The AMD GPU Tool & Temps:

MSI MS-1727-ID1 (GX740) Barebone (937-172726-010)

ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD 5870 1GB GDDR5 VRAM
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Installation
4GB Dual Channel 1333Mhz Memory
720QM (1.60Ghz-2.80Ghz)
320-7200 WD Black
Stock VGA Drivers

This was as far as I could push the VGA before it crashed. It remained stable at this setting through three Consecutive runs. Temps displayed are after the 3rd Consecutive run.

AMD GPU Clock Tool-815/1100-Overclocked MAX & Temps

 

Never cease to amaze me rob .

 

Amazing! With heat mods I have prepared for this lappy, I think this OC will not even reach 85'c!

Come on UPS gimme my laptop...

 

I just got the high res picks up that you were looking for. I cannot post a link here but they are in the "notebook photos" section of our site.

 

IMO a furmark stress test temperature would be more useful, 3dmarkvantage will only show the average gaming temperature, there will be games that will push the GPU harder than vantage, moreover, the vantage run is not nearly long enough to really simulate the cooling over hours of gaming. A furmark test that has the max temperature stabilized is a much more accurate test as it will show the absolute max the temp will get to, even if there are more GPU intensive games in the future.

 

I haven't been following this thread so sorry if this question has already been answered.

Is this laptop out yet and if it is, is there a review or a good user writeup somewhere?

I've been looking for a good desktop/laptop replacement and this seems to be one of the best out there. I'm a bit worried about the built quaility though.

 

Aye, and it isn't always a matter of if Furmark + Prime95 throttles but sometimes at what point too. The quicker it throttles the more it indicates potential problems under normal high load scenarios.

I know with my tests with the 1727 w/ 250M before mods it hit the 90's within minutes and then did the cyclical throttle dance.

 

Are the stock CPU and GPU performance + temps posted yet? I am not planning to overclock or upgrade the CPU/GPU, I'm very interested in the numbers.

Also curious as to how noisy the default spec'd GX740 compares to the default spec'd GX640... at idle and load. I know the GX740 pulls more juice, but mabye the cooling system is better/quieter?

Unfortunately noise plays a big part in my choosing between the two.

 

There is a review of the medion akoya which is basically a GX740 rebranded though.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Medion-Akoya-X7811-Gaming-Notebook.28166.0.html

The GPU temp on furmark came up to about 100C on stock clock.

Not sure if the MSI GX740 will have cooler temp.

I really hope that all the temp reviews will run a prime for CPU, and furmark for GPU, rather than using 3Dmarkvantage, which doesn't tell us anything meaningful about the temperature.

 

Wow... the bottom you modded that I bought will come greatly in handy

With the Zalman VGA heatsinks and the MX-3 I have in stock, with the Zalman NC-2000 notebook cooler,

I think a quadruple combination will drop, at least, 5 degrees+

Once I get this and plug in my 920xm, although QS, I will be able to see how this beast handles the two with the most cooling I can provide it.

 

Only problem with the zalman is that it covers the lower 3/4 of the laptop and i dont think hits the fan intake (Not sure)

But let me know because im either going to get a zalman and cryo lx? i think dead uses one, and his temps are superb (Of course he has bullet holes in the bottom of his laptop but still haha.)

 

Well, I pretty much have the fan wide open, as I purchased electrosoft's modded bottom cover, I myself am really anxious to try out the 5870 with the 920xm with the best cooling system I can provide it....

Hopefully it will be usable...

 

Heat ? What's that ?

Go with Cryo , it has 3 120mm fans and should run faster and be more efficient than the other coolers out there.

I'm using an Enermax Aeolus , had to take the grill off for it to be more efficient. 25cm fan

 

Cryo is a great cooler + you get extra USB ports, they always come in handy.

 

Well I already am using a Zalman on the GTS 250m version of MS-1727-id1.

The temp coolings are great, about 2'c+ drop.

It's also light for its size, and I love the smooth texture and the numerous air holes.

I recommend Zalman NC2000 anyday....

 

Agreed, I think you're going to find the unobstructed air intake is going to make a huge difference.

The 250M really didn't tax the 1727 on its own and only in unison with the 920XM did the 920XM really tap out. The system just couldn't handle both under a Furmark+P95 8-core max heat test.

I am very curious to see the before and after results of the 920XM + 5870 with the modded cover.

 

Well . . . I'm at a crossroads. After following the development of the GX640, I was pretty sure I was sold on that . . . but . . . for not much money a GX740 can be had. I'm not sure which I should go for . . . here's a couple of points:

SCREEN
-I'm on the fence between a 15" and 17". Given they have the same resolution, the 17" will make for a little easier reading (which is becoming a concern in my growing age).
-I've heard the GX640 has an above average screen, which is attractive. Do we know anything about the screen quality on the GX740?

SIZE + WEIGHT
- The GX740 is about an inch bigger in width and depth, however, it looks like it is marginally thinner (both seem pretty thin overall).
- The GX740 is a little over a pounder heavier, but 7.1lbs is still pretty light for a 17". I'm coming from a 14" notebook that weight around 5.6 lbs or so, but I don't need to lug my laptop around nearly as much. Is a 17" going feel a lot more massive than the 15"?

PERFORANCE + "future proofing"
- The GX740 appears more "future proof" with it's i7 chip and faster graphic card, but is the difference "that" much bigger between the two? I basically aim to get 3-years out of a laptop (which is nice with a 3-year warranty!) . . . so is the GX640 going to feel sluggish in 1.5-2 years compared to the GX740? What if new games really start to utilize quad cores?

BATTERY LIFE
I'm assuming the GX640 will beat out the GX740? But I'm not sure.

I guess that's it for now . . . those are my main consideration points...thanks!

 

I also have poor vision, but I chose to go with the GX640. If you're really worried about text size you should think about investing in a screen zoom progam such as zoomtext. It helps with a lot of things like contrast and inverting brightness because reading white on black is generally less taxing on the eyes. As time passes screen resolutions will get higher and higher so having to choose a lower res screen for text size can be a real drag since you'll lose the joy of higher res in games/videos.

The GX640 should definitely get better battery life even if you spec them exactly the same merely because of the smaller screen. if you're worried about future proofing a lot you can always upgrade the GX640 to an i7 (if you have the money).

At stock config the 720qm is quite a bit more powerful than the 430m imo. If you like to stay up to date with the latest applications and games the 720qm should last you a good while longer. But if you're not, as a lot of people have reminded me, if you're just going to keep using it for the exact same things there's no need to upgrade.

5870 vs 5850 isn't that big a difference.

 

I got this baby,

been running some benchmarks..

I'm not OC'ing this kid.

WAY TOO HOT for Overclocking.

But again, my temps are a bit too high, don't you think?

Maybe I should reapply the thermal paste or something.................



- After Running Vantage, 1280x1024 ( Did not change any options )

 

Is that with the modded cover and heatsinks on the GPU?

 

Yea,

don't know why these temps are so high.

Hmm.

I use MX-3, so,, don't really get these temps.

 

Run a Prime95 8-thread max heat only for ~10 min
Run Furmark for ~10 min

And let's start from there.

I would check my application of MX-3, but the 5870's DO run warm even in Clevo 8760's which have insane cooling isolated for each component.

 

Am running Prime95 now,

You mean run furmark and p95 together?

 

No separate. To isolate each component and compare your 920XM temps to those I achieved with the modded cover and heatsinks as a starting point.

If we find consistency with the CPU we can then focus on the GPU.

I'm also wondering how much extra passive heat (if any) the 5870 is introducing to the inside of the system since it does run much hotter and is physically bigger than the 250M.

 

Yea,, right now it is the 820qm though,

920xm did not arrive yet.

The P95 temps seem to be stuck at 80'c. Stable.

 

Shut off Furmark.

Those temps after like 1 min.

 

WHOA........not only insanely high but moreso how quickly it reached it, hmmm.

Like I said they run warm even in the "military grade," esque cooling of the 8760 but wow.

I'd definitely pop off the GPU and take a look and make sure the compound is sound and contact is being made properly.

Was the fan on full blast?

 

Fan was on full blast, i think.

I'm gonna pop off the GPU later.

Are the thermal pads that are on the VGA Memory crucial in temps?

Apparently, one of my wifi antennas cut through it, leaving one half-untouched by the pads.

 

Nah, the memory runs warm but the temp is the core GPU. But definitely worth getting in there, removing it, applying some MX-3 or similar and making sure it is secured properly.

 

Ouch, somethings gota be up with that, i mean the 4850 can't be running that much cooler, surely?

 

Can you post a pic of that modded bottom ? thanks.

You probably need to use my "modded" technique

 

I borrowed this pic from electrosoft..

I purchased this cover from him.

 

Here's mine :
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5863617&postcount=88

Not elegant , but does the job

Time for a format , talk to you guys later.

EDIT : get rid of the grill , it will let more air in. That mod ain't enough for a proper cooling. it's just helping the fan intake.
Remove the grilling on the memory and CPU area and drill some holes around it , In tandem with your cooler you will get better results.
How powerful is that zalman 2000 anyway ?

 

Jeez, I'm not buying a laptop to cut some holes on its back. o_o

I hope the GX740 runs much cooler. D:

 

Don't come crying about high temps then. And no one told you to do so.

 

That is grill overkill. You might as well take the bottom off.....god that is UGLY lol.

And tests were run with and without the grill. 82%+ efficiency within the strike zone + extra on the sides = results were the same. The idea was to introduce optimal air flow which is effectively does. I wouldn't recommend taking the grill off at all not only for corner stabilization but exposing the fan. Not a good idea. I originally laid down some porous mesh, but the air flow was compromised which is why I switched to the OCZ grill.

I could see drilling some *small* holes by the GPU as that is the problem even isolated (assuming there isn't a GPU HS mount/compound problem) and hoping passive air intake helps. If you're going to take it to that level, I'd just install an additional fan and splice it into the USB line and a manual control.

Before you contemplate any of this, definitely do as I said and check the compound/mount job on the GPU.

 

Ugly it is but very efficient. I'm talking about the one for the memory and CPU not the one for the fan.

Doing so + using a cooler should help air circulation , not that thing you've done .. that won't help cooling in any way.

 

Yeah, that must be insanely efficient. Kudos for the sheer amount of holes, wow.

I contemplated the one for the CPU, but after the initial mods and the system handling Prime95 + Furmark without throttling, I was satisfied. I actually thought about a small intake fan above the CPU and copper heatsinks on the CPU HS.

Everything seems to be in line so far with his temps except his GPU. The 4850 and 5870 are within the same consumptive range, so those temps are really alarming.


My current project is custom building a 250M equipped 1656 for a WoW guildie who is beyond disgruntled with Apple's current offerings but is a diehard OSX user. He wants it as cool as possible while housing a 920XM so I get to go to town on
that one. Still might recommend he step down to a 820QM, but we'll see. I was going to go with the 5850 equipped barebones, but ATI drivers are dismal in that area.

 

Did you use the same thermal pads?
If so always replace them too when adding new thermal paste.
They get stretched and don't make good contact once removed.

 

It's not a beauty contest so save the sarcasm. It's about bringing the temps down and so on ...

One hour fur and the my temp were 68c (Fully Oc'd GPU).

You should have gone for it , would have made a better "modding" as air circulation is key.

 

I told you he shot it in the bottom

I think one heavy area of influence is the heavy airflow where the northbridge and cpu sit on the 725 models,

I want to try and get hold of another underside cover for my machine in the UK,

 

After re-application of the MX-3



Scorching hot.

Darn........................

is the 5870 supposed to be this hot?

 

Damit?

Curing time perhaps?

Fan is definately working and the heat sink re-attached strongly??

 

Is it normal that the min temperature is 73C? I have never used furmark before, but if 73C is your idle temperature then you might have done something wrong with the heatsink or thermal paste application.

 

Min temp was not 73.

It was because I ran it a bit before restarting Furmark.

Might be curing time,

might be human error again.

Idle temp stabilizes around 60'c.

 

Wait...

My screen might not be responsible for this..............right?

Cause the only thing that is different from the stock RK's

is possibly the screen resolution. Hmm.

Anybody have any ideas?

I just read that MSI uses Shin-etsu, which is also one of the best thermal compounds out there, so MX-3 would not have made much differences.

 

Screen res has nothing to do with hot temps.

 

@ Deathsomething:

No sarcasm. I was giving you props for taking it to that level for insane levels of passive optimal air flow. I've made some pretty Frankensteinish mods to, "get 'er done." There is a trade off to where I want my system to look halfway decent without holes punched in it all over the place. At a certain point, enough is enough, but hey it's your system and it accomplished what you were trying to achieve so do you man.

@Meraki:

MX-3 has virtually no curing time which is the main advantage over AS5.

To remove air flow as a possible issue, rerun all the tests with the bottom completely off with some mild, rear elevation. I'm 99.99% sure it isn't an airflow issue, and with the modded bottom and your 820qm staying in the 80's under max Prime95 heat load, something is dreadfully wrong with the GPU.

Is the venting pipe in good shape?

I'd almost think the heatsink wasn't making complete contact with the GPU. Thermal pads for the memory have a degree of give, so if you have a thin (1/16"~) copper shim, you could test.

You can also apply a small dollop to the GPU centered, apply the HS, then remove the HS and see how it was distributed. What does the MX-3 application look like after you remove the GPU HS?. Do you have an actual pic of the inside of your system for a looksy?

 

the heatsink, as I removed twice or three times now,

had contact with it.

The bead I put on the center was squished out, almost entirely, to the outside of the GPU core, and it was spread out over the core itself.

So, it is not that.

My guess therefore, is going to have to turn to the card itself..

Don't really know why it is showing such high temps...