MSI GX740 with 5870 1gb ddr5

Yeah and it's with stock thermal compound.

 

Hmm i think it needs repasting, the barebones ran much cooler. (Heck the 640 runs cooler)

 

Ken, does that mean you ran this recently on a retail version of the GX740 that you now have in stock?

seer

 

Yes it's retail version of GX740, I've made a video last night:

YouTube - MSI GX740 17" Core i7-720, ATI HD5870 1GB GDDR5 gaming notebook

 

Video looks good. How many did you get and when you going to be able to ship?

 

Hi to all,

i've just registered to support you with some experiences I made with my Medion X7811. I'm from Germany and we already found some interesting stuff to mod the vBIOS of the 5870. Some users also have modded the backplate for optimizing airflow.
You can find this at NoteBookJournal (NBJ). Can I post links to other forums?
The Medion is the same Barebone as the GX740. The only big difference seems to be the Chipset PM55 instead of HM55 in GX740.

Because of hot temperatures in reviews of NBJ oder NBC (NoteBookCheck) some users decided to undervolt the 5870 or mod the backcover of this pretty fast thing This results in cool idle and load temps.

The vBIOS was exactly the same as GX740's.
Here my results after flashing the vBIOS:
Clocksetting 0: 700/1000 @0.95V (Stock 700/1000 @1.15V)
Clocksetting 1: 200/250 @0.80V (Stock 200/1000 @0.90V)

IDLE Temps: 42-45°C
10 min. Furmark: ~82°C
30 min. Dirt2-Session: max. 79°C.

With stock settings Furmark pushed it to 100°C easily.
All settings seems to be rockstable. No problems here.

Even lower volts (Clocksetting 1!) were testet, but no cool down further more. There seems to be a protection or lock against hyperbolical settings in the vBIOS.

Sorry for my bad english.

BTW: New BIOS for GX740 published.

 

Anyone tried the new bios?
I've tried flashing mine but it doesnt work with the MSI HQ Bios USB tool. It reports a bios corruption

 

Also, anyone tried an expresscard? My expresscardsoundcard doesnt work (echo indigo djx)

Problem is the following :

- If the card is inserted before booting, the system recognize it well, and I can use it. BUT, after a few second of use, the system will totally hang up and stop responding. The sound playing will be looped. I tried to let it for more than 20 min but nothing unstucked..
- If the card is inserted when the laptop is already online, it doesnt detect the card but a pci to pci bridge or something and the drivers can't be loaded properly, so I cant use the card at all. Expresscard is supposed to be hotpluggable....

Thanks!

 

Anyone tried the new 1.07 bios?

 

What are you using to undervolt? flash or software?
Is there any chance I could have a copy of your VBIOS? I want to try it on my clevo as the clevo has no Powerplay settings and is stuck at 700/1000 @ 1.15v.
It seems to me ATI really rushed out these cards unfinished

 

@ninja2000
Only possible with vBIOS-Flash. AMD GPU Tool makes no changes at the voltage. Till now, it's seems there is no soft-mod for volt-changing.

First, automtic Powerplay as on desktop cards isn't implemented alright. Really stupid
I still have to switch via CCC-profiles or Win7-energy settings.
The vBIOS of MSI GX740 or X7811 have only 2 Clocksettings. "Power" and "Energy Saving". Asus G73 has 4 clocksettings and the card e.g. switch to an extra UVD (Avivo) setting while playing videos or youtube automatically. This would also be fine for us, because at 200/250 hires videos (1080) are stocking. OK, not really a problem
I've been using RBE 1.25 to change the vBIOS and Winflash for flashing. You could also flash with Atiflash via USB-Bootstick or so. There is also a tutorial at techpowerup.

But the Clevo is maybe a little bit different. So be patient!
The original vBIOS of GX740 (same as X7811) you can find here.
You have to set the voltage manually.

 

thanks @tilla.

I am totally comfotable flashing VBIOS, I will use ati flash. People have been using the Clevo and MSI Vbios on the G73 with success so I dont think I will have any problems the other way.
I am currently using amdgpu tool but the fact it doesnt lower voltage is really frustrating. I get about 30mins on battery with the clevo which is rediculous!

I may just look at undervolting like you have to .95v at stock settings. Did you notice if this has improved your battery life at all? Only thing is my card happily clocks to 900/1100 so by lowe the standard voltage will eliminate my overclock.

Thanks for the link to the VBIOS. I will download it and take a look at yours compared to my clevo

 

So guys, is it i5 or i7 CPU? Because i see videos and reviews with i7, but where i wanted to order, and even on their site ( MSI Europe ? Computer, Laptop, Notebook, Desktop, Mainboard, Graphics and more ) it says i5

 

The Gx740 sold in Northern Europe is i5.

 

Indeed, I'm swede and mine came with an i5 but it's more than enough anyways.

 

Aha, so i have to take the i5 one. How much will it affect the performance?

 

Editing my old post. GX640 Bios will not work on 740. See below.

 

Did you use the CD method or USB to flash?

 

CD. Took like 5 minutes including time to burn the CD.

 

!!!!!ALERT!!!!

I Just got word from Warner that the GX640 VBIOS will not work on the GX740!!! Don't do it! I was confused because the original MSI thread said that it's for both models. Here are his words:

GX640 VBIOS cannot be used on GX740 because it will kill GX740.

Sincerely,
Warner

Hope nobody bricked their 740!

 

Whaaaaaaaaaa!

People should know that concidering the 5850 and 5870 use different core revisions!!

 

Yeah they also have different mobo

 

I wonder if anyone actually tried this. I seriously hope nobody killed their laptop.

 

Vbios are always card specific, unless there is a certain compatability in the hardware that allows cards to be cross flashed (Aka nvidia g92 core, 9800mgt and 9800m gts.)

 

Hmm I did this,

but no bricked laptop.

Just reflashed back to the vBIOS on the MSI page for the GX740.

Apparently they are really compatible..

All that was different were the stock clocks, which were set at 625/1000.

 

Thanks Meraki. I feel better. I didn't want anyone screwing up their laptop. Are you Greek by the way? Meraki is a Greek word.

 

Funny, no..

I'm not even remotely Greek..

Purely Korean dad, Korean mom,

Korean me.

LOL

 

lol...meraki means kind of like "passion" in English...so it's a good word anyway. I'm gonna go have some kimchi with feta cheese now.

 

They're the exact same card.

 

The 5870 is using the broadway - xt revision whilst the 5850 is using the core - pro revision, while they are almost exact, slight differences are not to be gambled with.

 

The "XT" and "Pro" are just labels. That doesn't necessarily mean the cores are different in any way.

 

Newegg has this in stock now. They (Newegg) show the warranty as 1 year p/l while MSI website shows 3 years.

 

Its always shown that. Once you register with MSI it is a 3 year.

 

They wouldn't engrave it on the core if it didn't mean anything, supposedly 5870 and 5850 are both based off the 5750 and 5770 desktop cards, but like the majority of cards, they are all labelled in the same way when it comes to core.

I could ask ATI really, see if they say anthing of use.


Also i'd like to add that xt normally seems to eat pro in terms of overclocking, if they were the same core, overclock limits should be much closer to each other then they are, and you would see people cross flashing them, but i just dont think it works like that.

 

Received my GX740 yesterday. That's the good news . Have a major project going in this weekend so no time to play is the bad . Looking forward to getting some quality time in on Monday (holiday in US) and see what it can do.

 

I would say that that is mostly a matter of binning, and probably different voltages.
As a manufacturer it simply doesn't bring you any benefit to go to the bother of changing the hardware between two cards with the same architecture.

 

Ofcourse it does, ATI dont want a g92 core situation now do they .

The modifications could make a rather large difference in terms of how the card functions, although binning has been used by near enough everyone these days hehe .

 

I'm not sure what you mean by that.

 

Nvidia used that core for like a generation haha.

 

Well, for around three years, yes.

Nonetheless, using the same core across different parts from the same generation of cards and using the same core for multiple generations of cards are not the same thing. Using different hardware for the Mobility HD 5850 and Mobility HD 5870 would be a waste of money. Binning, voltage and clock speeds are entirely sufficient to differentiate two cards in the same tier.

Of course, different tiers are needed because you can use smaller die sizes for much lower performing cards, and smaller dies can be a lot cheaper. The differences between these tend to be very large indeed, however - in AMD's case the 5-series cards have tiers with 1600, 800, 400 and 80 stream processors. In that sense it's worth it to have different hardware. That's a different matter, however, because the two cards in question have the same shader count.

 

+ Different clocks, voltage and pcb design, (Atleast i think dead identified as that.)

 

Not a single message in this topic for 4 days already? Why so?

Receieved an e-mail from a Russian reseller (finally at least some computer models are being sold here not some months later after world presentations), that they received some to send.

Should i buy it after all? seems like situation with noise and heat issues haven't been cleared out yet..

 

Do it, and when were noise and heat issues problems with the 740? lol.

 

I guess I didn't make myself quite clear.. Thanks for a strict advise - it is the best one, when you are sure without "if's"
I meant that after reading the whole thread I didn't manage to find out if those 98 degress tempreture is OK and it isn't as loud as a rocket.. But I can guess that everything's fine since nobody said that it is a serious issue
Are owners of this laptop are happy with their purchase after all?

 

Did you see this review? It talks about sound emissions.

Notebookcheck: Review MSI GX740-i7247LW7P Gaming-Notebook

 

Never as far as i have noticed, i think it handles heat quite well

 

Huraaaay tobias (Y), see the mans just confirmed the situation with the laptop in that small statement.

 

Can you please post your modified bios? Looks interesting

 

I really don't feel comfortable to provide such things in a forum.
But you can achieve this at your own with RBE in 4 easy steps:

1. Read the tutorial from techpowerup: Link

2. Save your original vBIOS with ATIWinflash. Original vBIOS of x7811 is exact the same as GX740. So you can also start with the file provided by MSI on their support website.

3. Load this original vBIOS in RBE, change the values, and save it to alternative filename .
e.g. my current 5870m settings:

You have to change it manually.

4. Flash this file with ATIWinflash or better ATIFlash from bootable device under DOS


edit:
ALL AT OWN RISK!

 

I just have to change the settings at the "Clock Settings"-tab right?