New GS63 & GS73VR with GTX1070?

(so $2999 in the US)

lolwut

 

I mean... what is 1080? Really. Everything is just Pascal. Period.
Matter of fact, the FPS are designating the name. It is what it is.
Otherwise the Laptop 1070 should be named 4/5-1080 because of
the plus on cores and clocks it has and not 1070.. technically spoken.

Everything is relative, but this makes chaos in the human brain because
it can measure something relative much harder than a stiff value or name.

And this is exactly what it is about, putting stiff borders to a fluent process of creation.
This is good and bad at the same time and also what NVidia for example is doing.

But just with a little cheating. They just should name it 1070 and thats it. But no..
its a 1080 ( the hunger of the brain is now satisfied..) and then comes Max-Q in the second
brathe. So you can tell you have a 1080 in one small device instead of 1070 so it is
more justification to spend three grands for a 1070 device. Its all psychology in the first matter

 

Huh

 

Thank you. This is what I have been reading until I get confused by all the garbage from the posts on this site.

I will get lost for hours, stressed, and confused, ending up with questions and doubts. Because of a bunch of dorks who don't know a thing and are assuming much.

I would be mad too, if I had just bought some $2k laptop and now there are new less power consuming versions coming out. I would doubt the improved architecture and design and claim it all to be a gimmick. If not a gimmick for sales, then nVidia MUST be selling underpowered gpu's while making claims on the box all just to stay ahead of AMD with their releases!


"GPU Processor Clock Speed. The greater the clock speed, such as 2 GHz vs. 3 GHz does not automatically mean that the later graphics card will have twice the performance. Sometimes 3 GHz clock speeds are slower than 2 GHz if they are based on an inferior GPU architecture"
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://helpdesk.flexradio.com/hc/en-us/articles/202118528-What-is-important-in-choosing-a-Video-Graphics-Card-?mobile_site=true&ved=0ahUKEwiTvp-1zbPUAhVH5YMKHRKGClwQFgggMAE&usg=AFQjCNH2YiPPp_aOiTV_9Ex8qHGCLUritA&sig2=CDtKu1aMT6danS8ydf4qlA

 

MSI has said the performance boost from the 1060 to the 1070 Max-Q will be about 15% (compared to 30%+ for current notebook 1070). A 50% increase in price (+$1000) is utterly ridiculous for a 1070 Max-Q, unless there are bump ups in other specs as well.

 

I agree that the extra cost relative to performance gain is utterly unacceptable, but wanted to point out that the new GS models are coming with FHD 120hz G-Sync screens which is certainly a feature bump when compared with the good-not-great IPS FHD of the non-MQ editions, and much much better than the FHD screens the Best Buy editions are equipped with.

But it's still not enough for me. Not at that increase in pricing.

Edit: I think I've made a mistake and that these screens don't have G-Sync, but are still 120hz. My bad! That makes the value proposition even worse, IMO.

 

I don't see that anywhere.
Again it seems like more speculation.

Also I beleive the earliest listings on pricing is $2,299 for asus zephyrus 1070, that is not +$1000, more speculation.
Another article I read stated that prices may be cheaper for msi's lineup.

Things I do read are on nVidia's own site, I agree it seems like funny advertisement. But I don't read anywhere saying that it is slower, except on this website filled with speculations.

 

I am trying to make sense of things. This site confuses me.

At least I will back up my points:

"We'd be guessing at a price but you can expect it to be similar to its Asus rival which comes in at $2,299 for the GTX 1070.

Rumour has it that MSI's new range of laptops will start at $1,500 so it could be cheaper"

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/review/laptops/hands-on-msi-gs63vr-stealth-pro-review-3659786/


And my point is, as a consumer, when reading on nVidia's site they mention nothing about a drop in performance, but they claim an improved architecture.
http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/nvidia-geforce-gtx-max-q-laptops

So how can I know you guys are right saying these MUST be underpowered GPU's, because of less power consumption?

 

Would having gsync lessen their battery lives? Also any source with the gsync feature on the new models?

 

I would assume G-sync means there will be no Optimus as I don't think MSI have ever had hardware switches on their GS series, and therefore battery life will suffer. However, the GS63VR has a relatively small battery, anyway, and I sort of feel like if you're buying it, you're not looking for a 6+ hour warrior to begin with.

Source is here: https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-r...GPU-and-120-Hz-3-ms-HDR-display.224652.0.html

Edit: Oops sorry, excuse me. I can't find G-Sync anywhere now on that page so I'm sure I've made a mistake. Disregard! Simply 120hz screens.

 

Anyone know when these suckers come out?

I'm choosing this one, because my other choice, aorus x7 v7, reports way too much power consumption for my liking.

Stealth is thinner. Aorus has more resolution and g-sync, but some of the biggest power consumption ratings out there. Aorus' power consumption ratings are ridiculously higher than other laptops with 1070s.

 

July. You might also want to add this Clevo to your consideration:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-pa70hs-g.805708/

They will probably all be out by this time next month (including the Aorus). The GS73VR is thinner yes, but it will be gimped by Max-Q and lack of G-sync.

 

Thank you!

I prefer Max-Q, I don't read anywhere about the drop in performance, except on this website. I also prefer less power consumption.

The audio jack for the clevo is specified at ch 5.1. Is this an issue, as other laptops advertise ESS Sabre hi-fi 7.1 and such. I've read reviews about great sound details from the ESS Sabre hi-fi, but am not too knowledgeable on that. My research comes from claims that the clevo has a sound card while msi doesn't.

Why I chose msi over clevo before, is because they advertise 120hz. Doing the math, that is about a frame every 8.3 ms to fulfill 120 frames per second. Clevo records a response time of 12ms which is good for around 80 frames per second. I would hope these panels are better. And I am starting to think I want g-sync?

Thanks again. Now I want Gs73vr, or pa70hs-g.

I am not a big fan of clevo's sharp corners everywhere or their aesthetics. But it will have g-sync. But I am leaning towards that sexy stealth with less power consuming gpu even if it performs a bit less. Still gotta research and be sure though, I'm trying to commit to one of these puppies.

 

@Womb Raider

FWIW, the Max-Q will have lower performance than it's non-Max-Q counterpart. We already have benchmark results of a GTX1080 Max-Q that runs just a tiny bit better than a notebook GTX 1070.

I'm not telling you not to get the GS73VR -- we all have our personal limits on the $-to-performance curve. But I just don't want you to go in to your purchase assuming that a GTX1070 Max-Q will perform like a normal 1070 just with less power consumption, because it won't.

 

The Max-Q models seem to have about 20 - 25% less performance due to slower core/boost speeds and lower TDP, 120 vs. 80 - 90 W.

 

This is sound advice. @hmscott and @Papusan will also agree, I'm sure.

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I think these msi gs got everything somone whos looking for a portable but still capable laptop might want. I've been wanting a laptop similar to this but the only reason I didn't buy it yet is because there are some aspects of them that I dont really like. For me their only downsides to are:

• The lack of g sync (they should make it like clevo in a wat you could both enable or disable it. You could then use optimus while at school/college/work where you simply want battery life and then use g sync for gaming while probably charging your device. Common g sync makes a big difference and this is a gamming laptop)
• The mediocre battery life (make it have 2 m.2 slots and get rid of that 2'5 bay and make a bigger battery taking up that space. Or at least make it an option, if you want lots of mass storage get a laptop replacement or a desktop or external hard drive, it is not what the gs is supposed to be)
• The gamerish look. I want it to be classy and fancy, not having dragons on it lol. Or at least make another design for it I think

 

Titan series already has that.

 

Titan series is not portable at all

 

I agree with the first two points (the gamerish look doesn't bother me). Sadly though I think it has something to do with costs and the fact that MSI believes it can't sell at that price range, although I'd be willing to pay top dollar for a slim and portable laptop that has all that (excluding Razer products).

 

Finally somone that understands me! Yeah I'd like it not to look that gamerish but im ok with that, its my least concern. And I don't think it's that, common acer makes a 9000 dollar "laptop" that no one will buy and they dont care about it, I think msi could very well make a laptop like that, even if a couple hundred dollars more expensive, and succed. You are already paying so much for an ultrabook, that would be like nothing, if so many people buy razer why wouldn't they buy this much better featured product?! Common MSI do it! Btw if you ever find a laptop like that message me pls, I've been looking for it for ever, sad

 

Hi guys (yeah I'm still back ), Materiel (french seller) have the MSI GS73VR 7RG in stock, but I don't know yet what kind of MSI GS73VR 7RG is it ; is it the MSI GS73VR 7RG with a classic GTX 1070 with the FHD 120Hz 3ms display, or is it the new MSI GS73VR 7RG with a GTX 1070/1080 Max Q with the FHD 120Hz 1ms HDR display ?

I must wait an answer of Materiel.

And finaly agree with David Pinheiro & jsstp24n5 about the lack of G-Sync for the display, it's a shame of MSI at this price, most of the competitors have this option. My dream would be to have a MSI GS73VR 7RG with a full GTX 1070, or a GTX 1080 Max Q if it's not possible with a full GTX 1070, and with a 17,3" FHD IPS 120Hz 1ms HDR G-Sync display.

 

Very likely it couldn't pass thermal management since it runs hot enough already on such compact form factor.

 

Yup, absolutely right. The 1070 in it is a Max-Q card, so expect performance only 10-15% above the 1060. @hmscott can tell you.

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Yeah dont think thats going to happen because of both termals and battery life. I would be content with either a full 1060 or max q 1070, the problem for me its not underperformance but rather battery life and lack of g sync... Get g sync with bios option to switch to optimus (gaming while charging vs while in college) and ditch the hdd slot for a much bigger battery and im in for buying it. And I feel like a lot of people agree with me so really msi should think about it, they would be the ones with the profit

 

I will expect the answer of MSI & Materiel to know the truth about the GPU inside the MSI GS73VR 7GR, and about the display too.

But, if the GTX 1070 Max Q is confirmed in the MSI GS73VR 7RG (and no G-Sync display of course, that's sure), I'll fired MSI because Asus put a GTX 1080 Max Q in the Zephyrus GX501 who is thinner and smaller that the MSI GS73VR 7RG, and with a 15,6" FHD 120Hz G-Sync display, if it's true, shame on you MSI.

I don't want a full GTX 1060, and no GTX 1070 Max Q in this MSI GS73VR 7RG because I think it's a little to short for play in FHD @ 120Hz with all the maximum setting, at least one a GTX 1080 Max Q in this GS73VR 7RG Mr. MSI please, Asus made it in the Zephyrus GX501, why MSI couldn't include a GTX 1080 Max Q in this GS73VR 7RG? And at 2300€, this is not the right price of the MSI GS73VR 7RG with a GTX 1070 Max Q, the MSI GS73VR 7RF with a full GTX 1060 cost less than 2000€ (1600€)

 

But with a 120hz panel, what will be the end result? Tearing issues only on games outputting >120 FPS? If so, couldn't those be alleviated via fast sync?

 

Fast Sync is bascially an improved v-sync which is great if your gpu outputs more fps than you monitor refresh rate (>120fps).. However, if your gpu isnt powerful enough to run games at the refresh rate of your monitor (<120Hz) at all times you get frame dipps and a lot of graphical inconsitency. G-sync solves this by adapting the refresh rate to your fps until you hit the fps cap where Fast Sync kinda takes over. In a gaming laptop of this price I think g-sync would make a lot of sense for most consumers. And, because sometimes people will not only play on it, while doing other stuff optimus could then be turned on instead to save up on battery life since g-sync is not needed in non-gaming scenarios.

Nvidia's own explanation: http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answ...c-monitor,-should-i-enable-fast-sync-as-well?

 

Looks like there is a $400 to $500 premium for the GTX 1070 Max-Q, although nowhere is it being advertised as Max-Q. No 4K models yet. MSI doubled the standard RAM to 32gb.

Someone buy one and let us know how the performance compares vs the regular 1060

http://www.xoticpc.com/msi-gs63vr-stealth-pro-002.html
http://www.xoticpc.com/msi-gs73vr-stealth-pro-033.html

 

So, I had my answer of Materiel, and it's not very pleasant ; first, the MSI GS73VR 7RG 013FR (the cheapest option) have well a GTX 1070 Max Q (cheer MSI , shame on you), bad news, that starts badly, I hoped for a GTX 1080 Max Q as for the Asus Zephyrus GX501.

And for the display it's also confused, it's not the 17,3" FHD 120Hz 3ms HDR display that MSI announced, but it's a 17,3" FHD 120Hz 5ms, the TN display version included in the MSI GS73VR 6/7FR, great Mr. MSI, two bads news for me, and still not G-Sync, MSI you sucks.

I think I will wait to see if MSI will reveal a new version of is GS73VR 7RG with a GTX 1080 Max Q and with the new display (17,3" FHD 120Hz 3ms HDR and may be G-Sync).

I will contact MSI to know what they intend to sell now and later, because this MSI GS73VR 7RG is the only version of laptop I want to buy, the Aorus X7 is too expensive, thicker, heavier, less borderless ... I prefer the MSI GS73VR 7RG, and no other option of the same kind exists (17,3" laptop with a FHD 120Hz 3ms HDR display, i7 7700HQ, GTX 1070/1080 Max Q, 2cm of thickness, full aluminium chassis ...).

So sad to learn that.

 

Asus has an exclusive deal for the 1080 Max-Q so you will be waiting a long time for MSI to deliver.

https://www.kitguru.net/lifestyle/m...hyrus-with-nvidia-max-q-technology-exclusive/

 

Great, I had forgotten this detail . I don't like and I don't want a 15,6" laptop, only 17,3" laptop for me. If Asus make a 17,3" of his Zephyrus, why not, but I don't believe that they will make it.

So, I will request from MSI what they intend to do, because currently, after all this waiting and on several occasions this MSI GS73VR 7RG, the result is rather disappointing, no G-Sync display, no 3ms display, no HDR display, no full GTX 1070 or GTX 1080 Max Q ... very disappointed.

 

Dont forget battery life man. Razer blade, a similar product with similar specs has around 9 hours of websurfing while this laptop has 3 and a half... Optimus is great for that but make it so that you can swap to g-sync for gaming while charging. That hdd slot could be very well used for a bigger battery too, common in expensive high performance compact notebooks m.2 ssds are what makes sense, not havier, slower, noisier, more fragile hdds

 

I am getting a gs63vr with 1070 max q from MSI rep for me to" test" (kind of a gift I guess hahahaha) ... Hope arrive soon to my country.... I will keep you posted once I get it... I actually own a gs63vr with Gtx1060 so I will be able to compare...

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Edit: 1070 Max Q's performance is 10% lesser to its 1070 counterpart.

 

Hi Kevin,
Are you meaning it is less than 10% from the full 1070, or only 10% better than the full 1060?
Thanks

 

Edit: 1070 is 10% faster than 1070 Max Q.

 

Sorry, Kevin, but the way you've worded this is really confusing. Are you trying to say that the 1070 Max-Q is 10% worse than the normal 1070, or 10% better than the 1060?

 

The new model has shown up on Amazon for anyone interested. Releases day after tomorrow.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B072...ID=512nC9TQ1IL&ref=plSrch#nav-search-keywords

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To add to my last comment, it's hard not to prefer the Zephyrus to the new GS63VR. Yes it's a bit more expensive but the difference is marginal if you're already dropping 2k or more on a laptop. The zephyrus having a 1080 and G-Sync makes it the winner to me and makes the price difference well worth it (again, just in my opinion). Waiting for some full reviews to roll in so we can see how the build quality is.

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Haven't seen any of the 4K ones for sale yet. Do they always release the FHD/lower rez ones first? Seems like all the brands are doing this...

 

Completely of agreement with you , so only Asus had made a Zephyrus in 17,3", I would have bought it because I don't like so much 15.6" laptop (little too small for me, screen and keyboard), and I don't want the MSI GS73VR 7RG because no G-Sync display, simple GTX 1070 Max Q, even not one full laptop GTX 1070 (I know it's impossible in the GS serie), nor one GTX 1080 Max Q, bad decision MSI .

Me too I'm waiting some reviews , and especially the prices and configurations suggested in France because in America, the Asus Zephyrus GX501 VI with a M.2 SSD of 512GB, Windows 10 Pro, 16GB of RAM, a GTX 1080 Max Q, 15,6" FHD IPS G-Sync 120Hz display ... cost 2600$. I hope we will have the sames prices for the sames configurations in France .

But it's on that if the Asus Zephyrus GX501 keeps its promises, I'll buy it (probably in September at the lastest), so much worse if it's one 15,6”, first because the Asus Zephyrus GX501 have a GTX 1080 Max more of a full laptop GTX 1070, it have a FHD IPS G-Sync 120Hz display, I like much the keyboard on the bottom, I love the trackpad to the right of the keyboard who transforms himself immediately into numeric keypad while pressing on a simple key and two true left/right click keys. I like also the color (all black with a little orange), the materials (all metal, alloy of aluminium and magnesium), the USB 3.1 type C, the 4 USB 3.1 type A, Windows 10 Pro ... The cooling system looks me rather effective and clever also with all the upper part with the top of the keyboard and the lower part which opens. It's a pity that the screen isn't HDR, but that's not very serious, if it had been it, that would have been perfect.

Why people want a UHD display on a laptop, it's useless, especially in games .

None GPU can assume such a very high definition to play games in UHD with all the maximum graphics settings, also with a desktop pc with a GTX 1080ti, it's impossible actually, (moreover, UHD is limited to 60Hz)

Satisfy with a screen simply FHD, in 15.6”, it's already excellent, that will hurt less the GPU, that will less make it also heat …and a FHD display will less expensive than a UHD display.

EDIT :

 

The Asus I saw it in E3 this year... Is just beautiful... I would go for him if you asked me... But since msi is sending me for free the gs63vr gtx1070... I can t say no...
Msi surely will refresh the platform in 6 months to launch something more innovative for a 1080 max q....

I will sell my actual gs63vr and save some money for the next refresh... (I live in Chile so I can sell it easily for 1.5K)

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My main hesitation on the Zephyrus is having the keyboard at the front of the laptop vs. the back. I'd have to try it to see how I like it. At least for me, it's off-putting a bit initially.

 

My bad, I must have been DUI at that time.

 

@Kevin@GenTechPC hi. Saw the review for the new gs73vr and checked the product page. Is the g-sync feature a typo or is it really in the new 120hz models? And are they the same Chi Mei ones on thr gt73vr? Thanks!

 

Which submodel # are you asking? I will verify it for you, thanks.

 

Probably talking about this one:



In the video for this model Optimus is enabled thus disabling G-Sync. Is there a way to disable iGPU and only allow dGPU in the BIOS so that G-Sync could be enabled for the Chi Mei screen ? (Which is the same as the one used in the GT73VR 7RF and other MSI laptops)
Or MSI throwed away G-Sync for Optimus ? (More battery life instead of smoother gameplay)

 

It has no G-Sync, and it's a Chimei CMN1747 120Hz 5mn, shown at review: 4:04.

 

WoW, throwing away G-Sync for Optimus and not making it switchable in the BIOS ? I don't know what the MSI Engineers were smoking when they came up with this, but it is some heavy stuff !

Panel and VGA supports G-Sync, but that Intel GPU is saying "F*ck you, I'm in charge so no G-Sync for you!"