New GS63 & GS73VR with GTX1070?

I want to buy a gs43vr but should I wait for more laptops to be released? Either for a price drop or new system. When does MSI usually release new laptops?

 

Well rumours have it that MSI may be unveiling new laptops at Computex 2017, which starts tomorrow IIRC.

 

Since Computex is coming up it's probably better to wait for now, but as always, when a new product is being released the older products will become cheaper. So you will have to decide how much you want to pay for the latest and greatest?

 

they are coming! https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-r...GPU-and-120-Hz-3-ms-HDR-display.224652.0.html

 

Got to admit, the 120hz screen is a pleasant surprise.

 

full fat, or "Max-Q" ?
million dollar question

 

maxQ, no doubt
because this model is even in Nvidia's MaxQ release conference.

 

interesting, 6gb 1070

 

well just look at this

Asus ROG Zephyrus GX501
i frickin love the design and specs

If MSI do not have the response to it then i will gladly forget about GS model

 

Max-q fan noise limited to 40db...
I am so curious as to how the cooling will be

 

Here are some early GS63 and GS73 and other new MSI laptop videos from Computex 2017:

Computex 2017 - Events, Announcements, Video, Articles...
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ts-video-articles.805342/page-3#post-10536215

 

Just amazing.. But is going to be damn expensive.. 3K I think

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when is the release date on those machines? i just bought a gs 63vr 2 weeks ago @_@

 

1060 become to being 1070 in 2017 so if i'll wait just another year then it becomes to be 1080 right?
Sory for my bad english.

 

Yes but if you wait 2 years then you will get 1090 and so on!

 

Mate that was a joke, compare spec of "old" 1060 to "new" 1070.

 

anyway, we should get volta stuff next year. none of it will really matter again

 

Just gonna leave this here https://www.msi.com/Laptop/GS73VR-7RG-Stealth-Pro.html#hero-specification.

 

Wait even longer, notebook performance is equivalent to desktop for the same price.

 

............ Still a 180W AC adapter. ........... troubling! Don't think about using 'NOS' again MSI! Or throttling.. and Max-Q vs full 1070 still unknown.

 

Yup, a full 1070 would come with a 230w+ PSU, and some with the MSI 16L1 1070 get a 330w to feed both the 1070 + 7700K for OC - gives more headroom and doesn't overtax the PSU during long gaming sessions.

 

Hopefully would come with 230w, hope the 180W AC adapter is a typo on their site.

 

Most likely they will cut the 1070´s TDP down because there simply is NOT enough copper
too cool such a wattage and i highly doubt they will create a complete new cooling system
just for the GS series, what would mean to invest in completely new production lines and
annihilate a very big part of the profit they are dreaming about by offering the GS versions with the 10XX Series.

 

Yes... unchanged cooling system.. notebookcheck says ( https://tinyurl.com/ybu5fah7). But then, really it's a waste to put in a 1070 or 1070 max-q if much price increase if it'll be underclocked below stock. If 180w PSU still, i'm not interested in the 1070 version even if underclocked. Slow battery charging, sign of risky cost cutting by MSI, etc.

 

Dont forget, this is capitalism, not democracy we are living in.
This is the reason almost all manufacturers doesnt give a cheech
about lifespan after their warranty.

watch here



I´m also in the stuff for quite a time. Like i said, its about all manufacturers.
Nobody speaks it out but come on, being able to construct high-end devices
and then suddenly.. "huuh 90+°C eeehm thats okay" ..greedy douches.

 

I mean with the unchanged cooling system, I think we're all pretty certain it's a 1070 Max Q and not a full 1070. Which is not really all that surprising.

 

What if 1070 max-q is a overclocked 1060?

 

You mean 1050Ti

 

Yeah companies will do what they want. BTW, 90C is 'ok'. Silicon is pretty tough and no throttling there. I've abused the crap out of my old Asus G50VT laptop with distributed computing on the GPU & CPU at 85C+ for the total timespan of years and the laptop still works fine. So computational silicon isn't that delicate to temperature.

 

Possibly, but we are getting results now from several generations later processes and continuing over the next couple of years it's going to change again a couple of times.

We don't have any real historical data on any of these new silicon processes, maybe some won't like sustained high heat.

The Nvidia Pascal GPU's Cooler Boost seems to favor much lower temps - rewarding GPU's with 40c-60c with much more continous stable frequency under continuous load - no wild fluctuations in performance delivery.

It's possible they know they have to keep the temps down or detune on the fly quickly to avoid long term viability problems.

I wouldn't count on high temps being ok long term.

Always undervolt and if needed carefully re-paste to improve temps long term. I wouldn't get freaky about it, use the full potential of the GPU / CPU - don't detune it and lose performance just to reduce temps - unless they are 90c and above.

 

Yea, hmscott nails it,
And also, since the 10XX series vBios is crypted, we can´t do shh anymore
against Turboboost ( which is in theory a good idea ) but because of the
cooling issues just a disaster, especially with the mid-level devices with
a low amount of tiny heatpipes forcing your system to throttle.

So you see the specs for a device and you do think that you are buying
what is written on the box, but its not.

 

45nm Penryn and Nvidia silicon I have high confidence... typing on my 9 year old G50VT right now and whenever both CPU cores are pegged for over a minute or so, both core temps go to 104C (X9100 overclocked to 3.45GHZ) and it throttles a bit. I'm not worried at all I just let it throttle by a couple hundred MHZ until load lessens.
Hmm, .. perhaps 14nm silicon is more sensitive, not sure.
A full 1070 in a MSI GS would be getting to 90C+ I'm sure on full load GPU..
Only bad thing about getting a laptop that keeps the computational cores very cool when fully taxed, the result is the laptop is likely heavier than it needs to be due to heatsink mass, unless can be upgraded or user intends to tax it in extreme environments.

 

Yap, now you feel the groove. Like we stated, its totally doable but
not profitable enough due their infrastructure and some other stuff.

And yap, the bigger the nm scale, the more Power it can take.
Thats the reason any SB will degrade possibly slower than the new
Systems after a 5yr period.

 

Definitely maxQ, and to be honest, 180w AC is enough. Think about this: maxQ 1070 is 15w more than full 1060 (90w vs 75w) in TDP and razer blade/ Aero are both using 150w power adapter which is apparently adequate for 1060. So 30 spare watts in AC for 15 more watts GPU should be enough.

 

no, the spec of maxQ 1070 is exactly the same as full 1070 but lower TDP(90w) hence clock speed at 1215 vs 144x
proof:

 

Actually not, 10XX vbios is already easy to modify. The problem is the author of NVflash discontinued its update to support software flashing. Thus you have to use hardware compiler to flash the vbios but its totally doable.

 

Wait my friend, can you elaborate or share some links?
I was searching for several weeks now and only found a way to unlock the TDP via shunt mod + a beta version of Afterburner.
And also to give it a crazy voltage but this was done only on an Asus card.

Next thing i found was this
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/63gbit/you_can_now_flash_asus_strix_bios_to_nvidia_gtx/

and this
http://www.overclock.net/t/1627212/how-to-flash-a-different-bios-on-your-1080-ti

on my homeforum OCN. But i did not know it is possible to mod any 10XX Bios /disable boost
and so on because i was left in the belief that the vBios or parts of it were crypted.

Can you shed some more light on this?
TIA

 

Guys is the GS63 VR refresh comes with a 170 max Q and a RBG per key keyboard with a 120hz 3ms screen right?

 

Sure,but I saw this on Chinese forum here and here. Maybe you can try translating the website? This guy is helping modify vbios for 1060/70/80 and you need to use compiler to hardware flash the vbios on GPU. (NVflash won't work and there is currently no way to software flashing like the links you gave)
It's tested working on MSI and CLEVO(sager) laptops. By the benchmark you can clearly say the difference of performance. Here is a photo of unlocked 1070@180w


**These benchmarks are done on clevo laptops so using desktop cpu, but you can see the graphics score


Here and here are how people doing it on 1060 and 1070.

 

don't think there is a update to the keyboard...unlike the new GE63VR

 

This is like playing Outcast for the first time. Here we go.
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5128173454

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4911680438

Ulukai, no peh! me tha!

 

if you guys find a link or a way to flash this unlocked TDP thing on a GT73VR's MSI 1070 (with a 330W PSU available)--temps are NOT a problem on this setup, I'd love to know about it. That is, without using a hardware flasher...not going to even try to learn how to use my RT809F (which I did purchase) to desolder and break something

 

there is currently no way to software flashing and probably never will, due to NVflash discontinued.

 

I have the "tools" to do it...the RT809f comes with multiple SIP (?) adapters, but I'm sure not going to put my hakko desoldering tool to work cannibalizing my gaming laptop!
Even in 100% best case scenario I can't read chinese so I wouldn't even know how to recompile anything.....

But rememeber: if man makes it, man can break it. There's ALWAYS A way...just need people with experience to do it.
Even if you have to mess around with "flashrom" or something in Linux...

People were flashing their Benq Mstar scaler monitor firmwares for the Z series monitors in Ubuntu, even though Benq said you had to mail it to them for upgrading....

 

According to a tomshardware video, the GS 1070 is the full 1070, whereas the GE is the Max-Q version, unless I didn't understand the video correctly http://www.tomshardware.com/news/msi-gigabyte-asus-max-q-gaming-laptops,34627.html

If correct, then 180w AC adapter is suspicious since a full 1070 can take over 100w.

 

couldn't load the videos in this webpage but GS is using maxQ 1070, here is the proof

its a bit blur but you can see its written "gtx1070 with max Q desgin" :/

 

There's no way the GS could cool a full 1070, so Max-Q was expected.

 

A.k.a. throttle-Q a.k.a. undervolt-Q a.k.a nomen est omen-Q

 

I will be happy with performance between a 1060 and 1070 with similar prices as the current GS models with the 1060.

Also, I don't understand the hate Nvidia is getting with the Max-Q designation. It's not like they are keeping the model names exactly the same. I understand it's all marketing but be realistic: they are not going to call them GTX 1070 Junior or something.

A lot of companies tend to do this with their products, especially car companies. Yes, the initial press coverage was fawning, but eventually after reviews come it will quickly become apparent what the cards really are.

 

According to this MSI rep mid July availability. Also £2299 in UK (so $2999 in the US)? That price seems unrealistic and ridiculous for just a bump up to a handicapped/Max-Q 1070.... but he also hints at a 1080 Max-Q option.

GS model talk starts at 4:04