The Official GT683R/GT683DXR Owner's Lounge

I should have mine Wednesday, unless UPS screws up. They haven't updated tracking since Saturday so no idea where it is at. Also it doesn't say signature required, but still worried that they may not leave it.

Maybe I'll be *cough* *cough* sick on Wednesday

 

Here Are Some GT683DXR-423US With Nvidia GTX 570M Benchmarks, This is 3DMark Vantage score out of the box, no changes, no start-ups disabled, OEM VGA Drivers, 100% stock. These below are what you can expect to receive from the unit you purchase.

The first is with the Turbo Feature disabled, and the second with the Turbo Feature enabled. Afterburner is not active and PhysX is disabled.

The third screen-shot is of what happens if PhysX is enabled on the same stock unit with no turbo. There is a major score jump that is inaccurate and unrealistic.








PhysX Enabled:

 

I am still waiting on mine, should be here tomorrow or Wednesday. Can't wait!

 

Thanks RobM! I am surprized at the clocks. I thought they would come stock at 575/1150, but looks like it's actually 525/1050. Then when turbo is enabled it goes up to the "normal clocks". Unless I am reading afterburner wrong.

 

Where do YOU see 525/1050?

GPUz is reporting the MSI default clocks @ 575/1150

 

Nope, that's right. Look at your first run (turbo dissabled)

Clocks = 525/1050/1500

LOL at the guy expecting a 100Mhz turbo overclock.

Turbo takes you to (stock) 575/1150/1500

 

Not sure where you are looking but GPUz says 575/1150/ . GPUz is accurate and is reporting the default clocks. Both afterburner and GPUz are reporting the same.

 

All i am trying to post here is the out of box results so that everyone knows what they are going to get. There have been results that have been posted that are inaccurate and unrealistic at a score of 16xxx. If by some chance my scores are lower than what GPUz is reporting, good, the end-users who are going to purchase this model notebook can see the genuine performance of the notebook they are going to purchase.

 

Here:

(ignore what the bars tell you, they only apply to turbo mode, look at what the sensors say the max core and shader speeds were during the test)

 

Honestly the bars are EXACTLY accurate. As you change the clocks and apply them GPUz reports the EXACT setting as afterburner. If by some freak chance both programs are incorrect once again I am only trying to show the true results and performance of this model. I will take the lower results as there have been 16xxx scores posted and marketing videos that are not accurate. What you see above reguardless of the clock settings is what you will get out of the box.


That is my only point

 

You have to understand there an extra P state in the bios with MSI. This turbo mode P state is the state that MSI afterburner looks at and sets (GPU-Z is also looking at this)

When not in turbo mode the card uses a one lower P state that in this case is 525/1050/1500. However MSI afterburner is still reading the turbo state.

Since memory speeds in the two states are linked you will notice you can't change the core speed but you can change the memory speed with MSI afterburner when not using turbo.

So stock clocks are 525/1050/1250, turbo clocks are 575/1150/1250.

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You can confirm all this by going to the sensor tab in GPU-z (make sure logging while in background is on) or by looking at the sensor tab in MSI afterburner (I have circled the appropriate values:



So:

P0 = 575/1150/1500 <- MSI bars look at and set this (turbo)
P1 = 525/1050/1500 <- (non turbo)
P8 = 202/405/324 <- 120hz 2d or video playback
P12 = 50/101/135 <- 60hz 2d idle

 

Wow, I wasn't trying to start anything, I just was surprised that the stock it comes with lowered clocks (gimped I would call it) and then with "turbo" on it becomes "normal". That's all.

I thought the normal clocks would be 575/1150 stock, and the turbo was something like 600/1200.

Thanks again RobM, I want all the info I can get PLEASE do not take this the wrong way, I'm just asking. If you beleive the slider & GPUz rather than the graphs, then what exactly do you think is being overclocked since they are the same each time? Either the turbo button doesn't do anything or the graph is right and sliders/GPUz are wrong.

Maybe I am missing something, help me understand!

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Just read Meaker post above. Does that mean if you overclock manually to higher than 575/1150 that the turbo button will in effect lower the clocks back to that value? I was hoping it was a solid % rather than set values. Can you change the frequencies in the vbios using an editor? I've done that before so that the freqs/states were how I wanted them. Maybe the tool has to be specially written for the card/laptop though.

 

Set values, that's how they do it, they just point the clocks to either performance state.

Good news is that if you use a program like Nvidia inspector or flash the bios you can get turbo to give you the clocks you want.

You could have normal = gaming clocks, turbo = benchmarking clocks.

 

All of the "stock clock" guesswork is silly...

The card runs at 700/1400/1800 by moving a slider and then performs like a stock 485m.

Lol at the guy who thought the 570m wouldn't overclock or perform anywhere near a 6970m.

Hows that crow tasting Meaker?

 

LOL you crack me up.

MSI downclocked the card in non turbo mode and you said it would be clocked higher than a GTX460 desktop when in turbo when in fact it's stock speeds in turbo!

Then at stock it's slower than a 6970M, and guess what, when overclocked it's slower than an overclocked 6970M.

As for how much it would overclock, all I ever said was we would have to wait and see what the voltage levels were and how much it could be modded.

So, your predictions:

1) Faster than a 6970M (False)
2) MSI overclocking on stock (False)
3) Overclocks better than 6970M (False)

My predictions:

1) Small Turbo overclock (True, technically)
2) Slower than 6970M (True)
3) May or may not overclock (Well this has to be true, not really a prediction)

Don't try and play this off as your predictions coming true as NONE of them did.

This is not really surprising as all the "knowledge" that you based your predictions off was faulty at EVERY level, you had no grasp on the actual clocks of any of the chips you were talking about and you have fundamental flaws in the understanding of electronics.

Seriously, go do some more reading before bothering anyone with any level of knowledge in this field again.

 

Thanks Rob. It is appreciated that you have posted some genuine scores using generally accepted testing procedures on a production unit.

For more screen shots of test results see MSI GT683DXR-423US G Series Notebook Benchmarks

These results show that whoever DID make those screenshots Ken from GenTech posted in the MSI GT780R/MSI GT780DX Owner’s Lounge did more than just turn PhysX on. Ken said he sometimes forgets to turn PhysX off in Vantage…but in fact it is off by default. He would have had to turn it on, not forget to turn it off, plus do several other tweaks outside of generally accepted Notebookreview testing procedures to achieve those scores.

The bottom line is that it DOES matter who made the screenshots. When a third party makes them from a production model, as Rob has here, as opposed to MSI making them, wouldn't you want to know that? I sure would. MSI is not necessarily limited to generally accepted Notebookreview testing procedures, so they can use methods that allow them to achieve scores that cannot be duplicated by consumers or other 3rd parties on a production unit.

However this does prove that either:
1. MSI made those screenshots that Ken posted using testing methods that were just not stated, and were different from generally accepted Notebookreview testing methods, or
2. Ken made them using other than generally accepted Notebookreview testing methods.

Production models being tested with generally accepted Notebookreview testing methods cannot achieve the scores represented in those screenshots that Ken posted as can be seen by those posted by Rob, and will be seen by any user testing their own unit. Notice that Rob carefully states exactly what his testing conditions were so that we know his results are reliable.

This doesn’t take anything away from the nVIDIA GeForce GTX 570M w/1.5GB GDDR5 as it is still significantly faster than the GTX 560M.

 

thanks for the infos..Is it just ok to put the gpu on max using the after burner msi? everytime you play games. thanks..newbie here

 

roomate just modded some new 280.28 drivers to work with the 570m, its not to hard to do but if you want them just send me a message ill send it in email it has raised 4 fps or more in bc2 and mafia 2

 

@burtman:can you send it to me..just got my gt683, and trying to install starcraft 2 but i was stocked at 88% when installing it..5 times already, i dnt know whats causing this, it never happened to my other laptops.. thanks.

 

Already tested 280.28 OC'ed with BC2

MSI GT780DXR NV GTX570M and Bad Company 2 GPU overclocked - YouTube

 

Sweet, that looks better than before, and since I'm not an AA fan at all it will run even better for me with it off

 

sorry for dumb question,
but is the 700mhz core overclocking (or more) from msi afterburner done with the turbo function ON or while it is OFF???

basically ask for this cause ive heard turbo function also affects CPU speed. but i woudnt know yet.

 

turbo button turns on then off w/i seconds.

computer's plugged in, but button doesn't light, no icon in tray

any idea what's up?

worked fine first few times.

thanks in advance

 

What model u have??

and as a quick answer: reinstall/update software from msi page

 

DXR

just rebooted.

seems fine now.

that's what i need to do: figure out what to update since i just got it yesterday.

not sure if i trust the MSI Live update: i don't want all those programs installed and/or screw up bios.

 

You don't need it. I've never used it, and I can use Afterburner just fine.

The first thing I did when I got the machine, before I even turned it on the first time, was pop out both hard drives and put in a SSD followed by a clean install.

I've never used the Turbo button.

 

this is probably a dumb question but why can i enable 120hz on the monitor and in game heres a pic \

 

this is how msi should've done it! allow a stock, normal state without any turbo button, then turbo button should be the pre-set clocks as desired. how can we change these settings permanently?

 

Like Keith said you don't need to turn on Turbo function to use MSI Afterburner if you do clean installation of OS.

However, the laptop came with nVidia OC tool pre-installed so if the nVidia OC tool is installed in your laptop you will need to turn on Turbo function to use MSI Afterburner.

So if you have nVidia OC tool installed you need to turn on Turbo, if not then you don't have to:

 

I don't understand why things change with the nvidia OC tool installed?

However I think I'd rather it be that way anyway so maybe it doesn't matter. I want the clocks as low as possible during normal use and if I ever want to use battery, and only crank it up when playing games.

 

How is the nvidia 560m version of the GT683 compared to the Asus G53SW?i'm interested in the build quality and cooling especially.

 

dont get the asus if you ever plan on changing the parts out it will be a huge pain in you Bum. the msi opens easily and you can get the warranty void stickers off easily and put them on some wax paper works great. The screen doesnt look good on the asus. Asus was my first choice then i saw the sager and msi screen i was blown away. Asus also is very bulky and heavy cooling is good i guess but i would recommend the msi. I would really recommend the Sager 8150 you can get a 6990 in it for the same price as the MSI since you can get a cash discount or student discount which is 3 percent off the laptop total but to get this you should go through xotic laptops to customize it. i love my Msi 683dxr but i still whish i went with the 6990 more that better video for the same card but i only could get financing through Amazon and not paypal which sucked.

 

should you put the physx on nvidia or just put it on automatic? thanks.. i had a vantage score of 10546.How can i improve it? thanks

 

i havent even ran vantage yet, but to have a fair score againt 6990 run with physxs off.

 

but can anyone still let me know why my monitor is able to do 120hz anyone else with the 683dxr try doing 120hz iam very confused.

 

I will check tonight. I am curious too as I fully expect it to be 60hz only.

 

Where can you turn the physx off?

 

Given the problems the first batch of 6990m's are showing I wonder if you still feel that way?

6990m's are running at 108-112 degrees C after just 10 minutes of metro.

The 570m OC'd to Ken's monster OC is running comparatively icy.
The moderate 700/1400/1800 overclock most seem to accomplish is under 80C.

While the 570m is a notch below the 6990m in performance, and the Clevo laptops are really nice, I am leaning towards the MSI at this point.

I understand the heat problems will be addressed, but in a nutshell the 570m's arrival was MUCH smoother.

The 15" with a 2nd hard drive bay is also a star for MSI IMHO.

 

I am an offical owner now. It came in today and is sitting right next to me while I'm working. It's hard not to open the box up and fire it up for the first time! I need to wait another hour or so before I leave.

 

Perhaps you have a special screen? Mine only allows 60hz too.

What drivers are everyone using?

 

Can you run a game with Fraps running and V-Sync on to confirm if it's really doing 120Hz?

If you can also, go to Start - Computer. Right click on "Computer" and select "Properties". Select "Device Manager". Go to "Monitors" and click on the sideways triangle next to it to expand it. Right click on whatever the monitor is called - most likely "Generic PnP Monitor" or something to that effect - and select "Properties". Select the "Details" tab. The top column in the next window is labeled "Property" with a dropdown under it that should be set to "Device Description". Click on "Device Description". You should now see a long list. The second option in the list should be "Hardware Ids". Select that one. Please post whatever it says in the "Value" window beneath it. It should say "Monitor\??????????????"

Edit: Another guess is it could be displaying the refresh rate for the HDMI connection. It has HDMI 1.4, which means that it will do 120Hz output through the HDMI port.

 

Mine just arrived, haven't removed it from the box yet. I'm pretty stoked.

 

For ****s and giggles my WEI score:

 

Looks like I got a defective laptop or a bad battery. Battery caps out at 95% charged, and if I pull the cord out, the comp shuts down right away. Won't boot up without the cord plugged in, even though battery is secured.

 

Call the Sheriff ... er, I mean Tech Support

 

Donald, didn't s0ysauce45 just order from PowerNotebooks, so wouldn't that make you the Sheriff?

 

Me, a technician, no sir. This is not a one person operation here

 

But I thought you were the Sheriff, and the rest were just Deputies! Is there another Sheriff in town?

 

I'm the Mayor in this town.

 

For now its working perfect, aside from not being able to take it off a/c. Thats fine for now, but I may need to be more mobile soon, so hopefully MSI will call me back as their tech lines are flooded right now.

Also, my microphone seems to not be working, is there somewhere I need to enable it like the webcam?