The Sky's the limit..... The New SkyLake GT72S, with desktop 980 GPU!

The machine itself has locked the power draw at certain wattage (180W for sure) but not sure if MSI has changed this value to a higher value such as 200W, so if it's specified at 180W then using anything higher than 180W will not benefit the system because it will be capped at 180W.
If you have a power meter then you can probably measure the power draw when both CPU & GPU are maxed out at 100% utilization.

 

Why lock the power draw at a certainties wattage eg 180-200W when PSU is a 230W? My old Aw 17 draws +265W during bench tests(use 330w psu). And my Aw17R1 has only a Oc'd Gtx780m.

 

I was just using an example for system that came with a 180W AC adapter, for systems that came with 230W then for sure the system can benefit from the whole 230W. But if you go more than 230W, eg 300W then you can't really utilize the extra 70W.

Power design spec is done this way, so each electrical component, eg: DC jack can only tolerate a certain amount of amp before it fails, thus why such limitation exists to protect the components from burning up. The only way to find out whether the system can truly perform at 200W or not is by maxing out both CPU & GPU and measured using a power meter.

Hopefully this is more clear to you than my previous post, thanks.

 

Thanks. So Msi Gt80 330W psu will not be fully utilized with Gt72? Has anyone tested this? I remember the fiasco with 180w psu and GT70. After the battery fell down to 30% capacity, then began Msi's weak 180w psu increasing wattage to +200w.

 

I remember hearing you needed modified firmware to use power supplies greater than the stock wattage. I believe I've seen a few people talking about it in other threads.

 

I brought my Alienware / Dell 330W power adapter to my local Fry's, plugged it into a GT72 they had on display and it worked.

This is the power adapter:
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&orig_s=gen&sku=332-1432

 

Will have to try to ensure if it work or if it doesnt for full power use. GT80 does use more than 330w so it is not capped like old GT versions, so maybe GT72 is not capped either.

 

Yeah, I was meaning that the power supply itself could work, it just wouldn't pull greater than stock wattage (i.e. my 180w on my GT60 wouldn't pull more than that even with a 230W brick).

I'm thinking with the GT72S coming with a desktop 980, it'll need to pull more power. Uncapped power may be another distinguishing factor between the GT72 and GT72S.

 

Yeah I know, I also have a Gt60 with the power limit. But I think newer machines don't have that limit, mainly because they do ship with higher PSU from the get go. the limit originally was placed so that 180w PSUs could still work with 780m and 880m. Once 230w PSU hit, I think they did remove the limit for the GT series.

I think the GE series is still power limited by 150w.

 

This was the opposite with last AW18. Power limit on the motherboard (max 330W). M18XR2 could fine use 2x330w psu.

 

One advantage of the desktop 980 is right match up for a higher refresh rate. For the GPU, 75hz is an extra load over 60hz right? What about a 144hz external 2460x1440 monitor? That should be a heavy load for a GPU right?

 

Hz don't load GPU. Unless you limit fps to those number through NvInspector.

 

Or set g-sync to not go over the refresh rate, that will vsync to 75hz if you reach that point.

 

The point being, one would run at 75 FPS on a 75 Hz screen with g-sync. That would be a higher load than 60 FPS on a 60 Hz screen., so all thing being equal, that would be a higher load. Then add an external monitor at 144hz, that would run at 144 FPS, AND add 2460x1440and the load should be SUBSTANTIALLY higher. Just the higher resolution is about 70% more pixels to run that 1920x1080.

So just to estimate, that external monitor at 2460x1440 at 144 Hz running at 144 fps would be about 140% more load (70% for more pixels and 70% for more FPS). Now given the 980 is about 35% more powerful than the 980M, I would say the 980 desktop GPU will be taxed significantly, such that it will NOT be overkill for an external monitor, with G-sync, high refresh rate and 2560x1440 resolution..

 

Well when you start talking about 1440p 144hz that's when my titan-x in my GS30 dock starts getting fully loaded with it running at 1500/8000 clocks so at that point depending on the game the 980 would be working at full pelt.

 

Found a detailed review (compared to the all the reviews we have currently seen) on youtube. A few gaming benchmarks, temps and lots of visuals on the internal components.

 

Which is better? GT80 Titan 980 SLI or the newest GT72S with Desktop GTX 980? I really can't decide right now.

About the price?

Correct me if I'm wrong but the price at GenTechPC for both system seems to be similar, $3k+ for each?

 

I believe you meant the GT 80 980m SLI? Performance wise the 980m SLI is better. One is an 18" while the other a 17.3". It all bottles down to the upgrade options. The 980 will perform better in games that are poorly optimized for SLI gaming. Otherwise the 980m SLI is obviously the better option. But do take into consideration the other factors such as the mechanical keyboard, weight, size etc.

 

Yes the 980m SLI, 980 SLI will come later for GT 80 but not to be guessing or anything its going to be too expensive.

 

Slightly unrelated, I have a GT72S with the 980m, is there going to be an owner's lounge thread for the GT72S (with and without the desktop 980) or are they going to get put somewhere else?

 

Owners lounge threads are put up by users

 

clayton006, starting a thread is easy, you are a prime candidate to do it for the G72S, but I think this thread started by @-=$tR|k3r=- might be what he considers a new owners lounge... you could check with him.

Check the threads started by @-=$tR|k3r=- - check out his 1st posts in these Owner threads for great examples how to start yours, if you end up hosting one

***The Official MSI GT80 Titan Owner's Lounge***
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-official-msi-gt80-titan-owners-lounge.769092/

***The Official MSI GT72 Dominator Pro (GTX-980M) Owner’s Lounge***
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-official-msi-gt72-dominator-pro-gtx-980m-owner’s-lounge.762800/

The Official MSI GT70-2OD Owner's Lounge
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-gt70-2od-owners-lounge.718530/#post-10120876

There are many others...

 

has anybody got the real super 980 gt72? so excited to know any feeling and testing results from end users if available. I know gentech has released an awsome vedio about this machine.

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AND i think maybe the proposed 230W is not capable to unleash the full performance of such beast equiped with desktop 980. 230W is a perfect option for 6820HK plus 980m I believe.

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A stock 65W Tdp i7-6700 + Gtx980 in a Clevo P870 eat 306w in a full stress test. 230w isn't a adequate psu for an unlocked BGA processor and Gtx980. Not good enough. My old Aw17 with a oc'd Hotwell and Gtx780m eat +265w.

 

Clevo is using the 200w GTX980 right? As far as I know, GT72 does not connect the extra power connector, so it consumes less, and in turn, has a more regulated power limit. It is still stronger than a 980m, but not full power 980.

 

The 200W designs are vastly bigger too and you really are running into diminishing returns at that point.

 

Hey Kevin, When are you going to post a video review of ROG G752? Also, is there any approx date on when you will be starting to ship them?

 

I will have Ken to reply to your post, thank you.

 

So the goodness of the GTX 980 is proportional to the design and watts used, So Alex claims the sweet spot power wise is the 980M. That means the upgrade path is limited by power draw. But Pascal should be more power efficient. Hmmmm


I did see some MSI site stuff about the 72 "S" series had dedicated power amps for the audio jacks. One might assume if they are doing "tweaks" like that for the "S", the design is being "worked".

I might just go for the 980, on a leap of faith, the MSI engineers did good. It is the anniversary edition too.

I still want to game on an Acer X34 monitor..... At high settings.... at 100 FPS-100 Hz.... native. probably AFTER I upgrade the MXM card in 3 years.

 

As said; A BGA i7-6820Hk and Gtx980/980m both OC'd will use more than 230W in benchmark tests. 230W PSU is too weak is my opinion whether it is a scaled-down Gtx980 or not. The test with Clevo I was referring to was stock speed on Cpu/Gpu. Don't forget that former Gtx980m(stock clock) in a MSI laptop use smooth 213w in stress test. A scaled-down Gtx980 will not reduce the max wattage in the same laptop It's only the new modern Aw laptops with Gtx980m who cope up with max 167w in stress tests. LOL

 

It will run fine stock and you can mod a larger brick if you want to overclock *shrug*.

 

Not if MSI caps it at 230W on the EC since they never retire the Power Boost.
AC + Battery = So there's an approx. 310W total combined.
I wonder how much overclockability is available?

 

@ Kevin@GenTechPC, I was lucky to find there is actually another version of GT72S equiped 980 desktop level card, it's non-dragon 29 aniversary edition. I've seen somebody mentioned the dragon edition style is somehow stacky, i personally agree this point.
Here is the link: http://www.msi.com/product/notebook...h-Anniversary-Edition.html#hero-specification

So, do you have such model available in your store currently?
Thanks.

 

Nice find.

MSI would've been dumb to only supply the GTX 980 in the Dragon Edition.

 

@ alexmenotti that was me lol it's one of the things that made me go for ROG G752VY. The other thing was the fact I couldn't customize it with the latest 950 PRO SSD on GenTech site. Anyway I am glad there's a non tacky version out there!

 

Yes it's scheduled to be production by MSI, however, the first shipment won't be here till around end of November. We will list on our website when we have specs and price details from MSI.

 

Nice find. I too found the dragon edition tacky and put off any purchasing decision. As soon as that is released that'll be my next PC =)

 

Hey guys,
Lucky to find something else attractive and impressive again:
The fresh new comprehensive review about such superb 980 dragon version:

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Xotic-PC-MSI-GT72S-6QF-Dragon-Notebook-Review.153405.0.html

http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2142-gt72-dominator-pro-gtx-980-notebook-benchmarked

I just post here share with you guys

 

@ GenTechPC,
I've read the new review from notebookcheck about 980 dragon edition, the result turns to be so much exciting.
Now I am 99% sure this new 980 version is best model from GT72 family.
But according to NBC review, it was mentioned: "It's unfortunate, then, that bootup times are uneven. Armed with a stopwatch, a cold boot on stock BIOS settings can be as short as 19 seconds or as long as over a minute. The delay happens even before the initial MSI logo appears onscreen, so it is likely not a Windows issue."

So can you help to check your model in stock about the cold boot time? I am somehow curious about it, maybe that uneven boottime issue is just upon the specific tested model from NBC.

And can you do me a favor to make the 3Dmark 11 standard test for this GT72 980 dragon and feedback to me? As per the score of 12XXX from NBC review, it does not show us a significant improvement against my 980M AW17 R2 (11XXX of 3Dmark), then I was a little confused. 980 performance is supposed to have around 30% performance increasment against 980M.

Thank you very much!~

 

the 3dmark11 score is around 18000 scoreon the gtx980

 

Also 3dmark 11 is rather CPU bound.

 

Yes I'll do these tests when we got more units in. When testing the benchmark the G-Sync needs to be disabled so we can compare apple to apple.

 

@GenTechPC I found the latest model non dragon 6920hq 980 posted, that's nice and powerful. but I still personally prefer non-dragon 6820HK 980 edition, is it possible to have it in the near future? any news from msi official staff? thanks very much.

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The GT72S DominatorPro G-041 with 6920HQ SKU is the non-Dragon version.

 

Yes, but i do prefer the unlocked 6820 non dragon edition plus desk980, I wish to see any hope from you or msi official guys

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Yeah I kind of like the unlocked 6820HK too but unfortunately they don't have it on non-Dragon version.

 

Hi Guys.. Newbie here.. well i bought this laptop gt 72 skylake line up.. a high end laptop i guess.. i have problem with starcraft2 heart of swarm and wings of liberty.. when im on the game.. the screen turns black if i dont move the mouse.. so to keep the screen turn on it needs to actively move the mouse all the time.. i tried batman arkham knight too but luck has no place for me.. the screen flicker sometimes.. i read some forum here about Bios(no ideas about this one) i need some help.guys pls.. 60hz on my g sync(they say you can make it to75hz..) sorry for bad english and wrong post.. thank you

 

I really can't tell what you might have, I can run Starcraft 2 at max settings on my aging laptop.

Have you updated your Nvidia drivers lately?
Updated BIOS?
Upgraded to Windows 10 (if you had the choice) to?

 

i haven't updated my bios.. i disable my g-sync..well it runs pretty good for now.. maybe because of g sync in which is not compatible for the old bios.. what would you recommend..? should i be the one to update my bios( it's too complicated and it says i might void the warranty).. or go to msi centers and let them.. i appreciate your reply mr.shekelstein.. thank you