Want to ask about Eurocom Tornado F5

I always buy my 1TB, 2TB and 4TB HDD as Seagate "Portable USB" and remove them from their enclosures. The drives are identical to the internal models, but generally sell for $20 to $30 less for some silly reason. BTW it is 15mm not 12mm.

Here is the 4TB HDD I have. I had it in my Eurocom Panther (Clevo P570WM 4960X and 980M SLI) Über-Beast laptop. Now it is back in the enclosure, waiting for its next home inside of a laptop. It will not fit in most laptop drive bays.

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Here is the same drive model without the enclosure for $14 more, LOL

https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Momentus-2-5-inch-Drive-ST4000LM016/dp/B016YFEYK6

 

I sometimes do the same. Last time I did was for 3 of the Samsung 2tb spingpoint HDs about 3 years ago. I still have all 3, 2 of them in my current main laptop (clevo p370sm3), my business one, clevo w230ss, uses a samsung 850 1tb.

 

Yeah, it saves a lot of money, and you have an enclosure you can use for any old HDDs you may have laying around not getting used. I never have understood why they are cheaper with the enclosure and USB cable, but they always are. Maybe the pricing structure on portable USB drives is more competitive. I still have one of the 2TB Samsung HDDs just like yours in the P750ZM I am typing on right now. The other two I had got sold in my Alienware M18xR2 and the P870DM-3.

It is nice that Seagate uses normal drives. Some of the other brands, including Western Digital, have a soldered on piece of crap for the USB port instead of a normal SATA port. (Reminds me of soldered BGA filth, ha ha.)

 

Yes, that is exactly why. You nailed it. Most of the OEMs are butt-kissers that just go with the flow and don't have the cajones to use the desktop CPUs like Clevo and the lonely MSI beast like your model. There is zero reason for OEMs not to use CPUs like 4790K and 6700K in high performance notebooks. They don't really draw any more power than the mobile Extreme CPUs did. I think BGA makes sense on low-budget notebooks that need to be thin and light more than big and powerful, but using BGA in stuff that is being marketed as high performance is a real joke and a scam. Unfortunately, it does not seem that Intel charges any less for inferior turdbook CPUs.

Now, BGA GPUs takes retarded to a whole new level. GPUs are one of the most likely to fail components in a high performance notebook and I think it is beyond sinful and 100% completely unforgivable to solder GPUs onto the mobo. When you start soldering CPUs and GPUs onto laptop motherboards they become disposable junk as soon as the warranty runs out because the service parts are insanely expensive while they are still available. I have a friend with a Lenovo X1-Carbon laptop (BGA turdbook) that needed a new motherboard and it's $1200 from Lenovo... used ones on eBay are over $600 LOL. The laptop was $2000 new.

 

Wow the barebones model motherboard is definitely of better quality.

 

BIOS Unlocked/Modded :

 

Only thing I liked about the GT62VR motherboard is that the PCB is black. Lol. But much better power delivery on the Barebones. Like a true mini high quality desktop mobo.

 

Nice! How exciting! Either svet is able to sign the firmware or MSI was smart enough to leave that filthy cancer out of their firmware. I hope the latter is true. The world would be a better place without that anti-customer "security" trash. Congrats on having the only real MSI beastbook in existence with a 6700K and an unlocked BIOS. Once it is fitted with 1080 and 330W AC adapter Clevo will finally have its first legitimate competitor in several years, LOL.

Can you please show us what options are present in the overclocking sections? Maybe a quick video walk-through like I have done on the @Prema BIOS mods (example below)? Does is support BCLK changes? If so, you should find that on the Intel ICC menu.

 

I'm not sure what method Svet used but I had to use a hex editor to probably turn the signing off or something off before it would flash.

And there are so many options I can't even find where the BCLK option is yet but I'm hoping it's there and works.

 

Should be on the Intel ICC menu.

The menu layouts may be slightly different, but that video may provide some useful clues on some of the settings. (The Intel ICC menu is not exposed on that BIOS.)

 

Enabling doesn't seem to do anything. is it supported?

 

Maybe not. Simply exposing menus does not guarantee everything exposed will work. I know that @Prema often has to fix things to make them functional once the menus are exposed. But, it looks like Spread Spectrum is locked at 0.50% so that is good. Your CPU clocks will be much closer to what they are supposed to be with it that close to zero.

 

Whats annoying to me is that the BCLK clock is like 99.775 or something so 4ghz runs at 3.990ghz.. Wish I could just fix it so it's 100mhz :/

 

Yes, I think every overclocker on the planet finds that annoying. You have to go just a hair past 100MHz to get the clocks dialing in because of the 0.50% spread spectrum. You're already closer that average with 0.50% right now.

Also awesome that you are able to disable the Intel Watchdog Timer. I hate that piece of trash. I hope the next @Prema EVOC BIOS gives us the ability to disable that. I always disabled it on Alienware machines and it makes extreme overclocking less susceptible to unfavorable Windows stupidity.

 

It was actually disabled by default.. Haven't really changed much in the BIOS.. I can't seem to force CPU multipliers to what I want.. But the Ring (cache) multipliers are changing. I'll have to watch those Prema bios videos to see if I can learn how to use this stuff, seems like both Svet/Prema use the same methods for unlocking menus so there shouldn't be any differences.

 

Look on all of the submenus. There may be an option like on Clevo where you have to enable overclocking and set the max multiplier. That is shown in the video I provided. It is not the same screen as the multipliers. After enabling overclocking, save/exit then go back into the BIOS.

Unlocking the menus is only a partial win. It can take many dozens of hours of work to make everything on those menus fully functional depending on how much effort went into the BIOS on the part of the OEM. MSI may have some functionality disabled in spite of the exposed menus. Undoing those things can be tedious.

 

Gotcha.. Yeah I found the section where you change the multiplier per each core but it doesn't change anything after you boot up.. So probably an issue with the BIOS applying those settings :/

Upside, voltage settings are working for ring and core at least.. I wanted to be able to do set a lower CPU speed like 3.6ghz and then use Tstop to go to 4.2ghz once booted up if I chose to. Guess that's not going to happen.. Oh well, steps in the right direction either way.

 

Multiplier changes work, it was Throttlestop overwriting the changes when I launched it.. woot, that's good news.

 

Double like!!! ++

 

Excellent. I had a feeling it was something. Intel XTU wouldn't work otherwise as all its doing is overwriting those BIOS options that were previously hidden. Excellent news on the voltage controls as well. I will unlock mine soon. I want to fine tune my voltage with a static voltage as opposed to the offset.

 

Yeah the offset sucks. The adaptive voltage tends to waaaay overestimate how much voltage is needed.

 

My stock voltage is at almost 1.3v or higher for stock clocks. Insane. I am able to set a decent offset for 1.1ish voltage for stock clocks and temps drop 20C easily. I would rather set a BIOS static voltage and aim a tad lower if possible. That way it won't crash or lock when the voltage drops too low when clocks ramp up or down.

 

I hope Msi create a similar barbones also in 17/18 inches size. People need more choices than all the BGA Crap out there. With possibility for signing mod firmware on later models of this caliber, will this be very good and the future for power enthusiasts will look brighter.

 

Delete the ThrottleStop INI file and start over and it should work great.

 

Boot logo working!:

 

That didn't work though.. It still reads the default multi's and overwrites whatever I set in the bios for some reason.

 

I would be first in line for the 17inch model.

 

How are are the speakers on this little gem.

 

Fabulous.. Good range and extremely loud at max volume.

 

Wow, that is very odd. I have never seen that before. If you delete the ThrottleStop.ini file then reboot and launch ThrottleStop it should give you the warning message, but once you click OK it should adopt whatever settings have been implemented in the BIOS. I have never seen it set default multis and I have been using it since 2nd Generation Core i7 days. Maybe @unclewebb can shed some light on that.

Very nice! I like that.

 

It reset the program but when I click on FIVR tab it seems the x42 for 1 core and x40 multipliers are still there.. But if I don't run Tstop on fresh boot and check XTU, it properly showed my new x42 multis. Weird indeed.

 

Where are they located at.
I hope they are not boner speakers, the ones located in the back under the laptop, like on the clevo w230ss, my business laptop.

 

They are located above the keyboard, firing upwards and there's a subwoofer on the bottom of the unit.

 

PERFECT!!!, thats it I AM SOLD.

 

Weird. Can you try with a higher multi in Bios and run TS again? And don't let XTU start up with Windows.

 

Same thing.. Goes back to stock multipliers :/

It's not a dealbreaker, as I need to use Throttlestop profiles anyways so settings are getting changed on the fly via Throttlestop that I could really care less about what the BIOS boots up at just was an interesting observation that Throttlestop won't honor what I set in the bios lol.

 

After launching TS, what multi read XTU when you start it up? And TS Version?
Had you same problem with stock bios?

 

I got a bunch of requests for this model over last days. This is NOT a Clevo but an MSI system and was just posted in the wrong forum section. I have no plans to support any MSI with my (v)BIOS Mods.

 

maybe svet will take the donation money instead of you

 

Money can't buy my loyalty.

Right now they imitate and don't innovate...

 

When ThrottleStop first starts up, if it cannot find the ThrottleStop.INI configuration file, it reads as much info as possible from the CPU and then uses that information as the default values. If you are setting multipliers in the bios and running ThrottleStop without a previous INI config file, then maybe your bios is not setting the multipliers correctly. As soon as you run XTU, it is going to use its own settings.

If you would like me to figure out what is going on, try booting up and do not run XTU or ThrottleStop. After that, start CPU-Z, go to the About tab and click on the Save Report (.TXT) button. Send me the info in that file so I can have a look.

 

If the BIOS works correctly and has the right things unlocked then I'd recommend uninstalling XTU and only using the BIOS and ThrottleStop. XTU is OK when it works right. I find it sometimes does not and has caused me some issues in cases where it's buggy. Running XTU and ThrottleStop together is seldom a good idea. They tend to have conflicts trying to access the same settings simultaneously. Getting rid of the XTU Service background bloatware is also a good thing. No point in wasting CPU clock cycles on crapware this is unnecessary. ThrottleStop is way better as long as the BIOS is not too crippled.

 

And TS use fewer CPU cycles than XTU. Every little improvement leads to higher scores in processor benchmarks More important than any fancy graphs with unimportant info!! But some are more interested in design It should have been the opposite. Just look at the the choice some take when it comes to laptops

 

I prefer to use the cpu cycles for running BIONC.

Should I get the i5 6600k or the i7 6700k. I am mostly going to use the laptop for gaming and maybe if the weight is right, I can use it as a business laptop.

I have 2 laptops, 1 for gaming (clevo p370sm3) and I for business (clevo w230ss). I always wanted to get rid of both and run one but the weight had to be right.

 

Personally, I'd go for the 6700K. Worth every penny extra, whether you run stock or overclocked. http://ark.intel.com/compare/88195,88191

 

For optimum power for future use. 6700K is a better processor (better binned). You get what you pay for
6600K http://hwbot.org/submission/3336732_tasos_cinebench___r11.5_core_i5_6600k_9.4_points

VS 6700K - Same Overclock(@4.8GHz)
http://hwbot.org/submission/3306401_papusan_cinebench___r11.5_core_i7_6700k_11.74_points

 

It truly is a no-brainer. Overclocking aside, twice as many threads, 500MHz higher base clock, 300MHz higher turbo clock and 2MB larger cache... but, same TDP. There is really no point in even pausing momentarily to look at the 6600K from my perspective. And, for what? To save less than $100? LOL!

 

Yeah. And In real workflow as some also do (forget gaming). You can gain up to 25% higher performance with 6700K(if both are overclocked with same multi). Worth every penny.

 

You guys are making me feel bad with my puny 6600k

Joking aside, I can think of several reasons why you might want to consider the i5.

- I am a student. The ~$90 savings downgrading from a 6700k may not be a lot to some people, but it was meaningful for me, and necessary to meet my budget.

- I'm only using the laptop for gaming. While the 6600k might exhibit bottlenecking with the 1070 in a few titles now, and perhaps even more in the future at high framerates, an OCed 6600k should still be able to pull at least 60 FPS, which is all I ask for.

- While the 6600k is rated at the same 91W TDP as the 6700k, in practice, it runs 15-20 C cooler out of the box.

Just my 2 cents if someone is in a similar situation as me.

 

Sorry, please don't let our zealous appreciation for extremes make you feel bad. That was not intentional.

But, here is the really fantastic and beautiful thing about your machine: You're not stuck! You can add a 6700K or maybe even 7700K later on if you feel like doing so. Maybe you could even have that as a birthday or Christmas present. If you had the MSI BGA turdbook version you'd be totally screwed, with no hope of a brighter future.

Having it "your way" is as awesome in computers as it is at Burger King. Sockets and slots FTW!!! Death to BGA filth!!!