Want to ask about Eurocom Tornado F5

We will implement Kaby Lake in two phases: 1/ support 7700K CPU 2/ design new KBL motherboard with Z270 chipset and socket based 7th gen KBL CPUs.

 

But will there be Bios updates also?

 

Yes there will be BIOS update to support 1/ 7700K

 

Excellent. Great news! Thanks for these continued updates. This laptop is continuing to get more popular and were all doing our best to spread the information around on this lesser known laptop.

 

My is coming up, I ordered my with the i7 6700 non k

 

Great! Did you order it with the 1070? Also, which PSU did you ask for? Remember to check this thread aswell, it's got lots of info about that computer

 

oh i did get the 1070, the 1060 is only 80 or 90 something cheaper. the overclocking is not worth it if it will only do 4.4 or so, so i went with the cheaper option (i7 6700) $83 cheaper. i got no OS, no memory, and no HD, i already have all of those items, out the door at $1320.

the i7 6700 will do 4.0 on all 4 cores with xtu. the i5 k model is the same price and i kinda need more HT than more speed. i got the 230w psu, i actually already have a spare 330w psu when i bought my current gaming laptop, p370sm3, it came with it from the 1st buyer.

 

I don't think the 6700 will OC or tune with XTU, except for undervolt.

You can't change the CPU core multiplier's on non-K Skylake CPU's, and the BCLK OC hack has also been blocked in current BIOS's.

If you want to tune the CPU core multiplier's, you want a "K" model, like the 6700K or 6600K, or wait till the Kaby Lake 7700K or 7600K models release next year.

The 6700 will turbo boost to 4.0ghz - likely only on 1 core:
Processor Base Frequency 3.40 GHz
Max Turbo Frequency 4.00 GHz
http://ark.intel.com/products/88196/Intel-Core-i7-6700-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_00-GHz

 

Will there be a BIOS update to support other Kaby Lake CPUs (7700, 7700T, etc.)?

 

Yes I think it does 3.7ghz on all 4 cores when loaded.

 

Who's got the system and how is it so far?

 

Lol it's not a Clevo.

It's an MSI GT62VR barebones variant. The 16L13. Check out the MSI subforum it's like the top post.

Here:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...scussions-lounge.797128/page-16#post-10367078

tl:dr the owners like it a lot. Seems like a great machine.

 

Exactly correct there. I'm sure if you end up comparing it to a Clevo, then people here would be glad to help weigh out the differences and options, pros and cons. That one would be most similar to a Clevo P750DM (Sager NP9152) model.

 

Is there any possibility of releasing a vBIOS with a higher power limit? Or is that something only Nvidia can do? I've noticed that we have a ton of thermal headroom in the Tornado F5... the cooling system in this notebook is truly impressive. It's just the power limit that's holding us back from achieving great things

 

This is the first laptop I've owned where I feel overclocking at this stage is just not necessary haha. I don't overclock it. The 1070/6700k is just way to overkill in my games at 1080p. I turn up the resolution scale when available because its just so dang overkill at 1080p. Although for the future I would love to have an unlocked power limit/voltage slider.

 

Hi all! I'm looking for a smaller replacement for my p870dm (single gpu)... and the Tornado F5 could be a very good alternative Any chance for a 1080 in the future?

 

no

 

It's definitely not a necessity for us...yet. However, for those using the 4K display, and with other expressing interest in the 120 Hz panel, it would be greatly beneficial for them.
Not to mention an unlocked power limit would make this pretty much the most powerful 15.6" notebook out there

 

Tornado F5 is great system, it is fully GPU (MXM 3.0 slot) and CPU (socket LGA1151) upgradeable and it runs very quiet. It supports complete line of GPUs from GTX 970, 980M, 1060, 1070, Quadro M1000M, M2000M, M3000M, M4000M and even M5000M. There is NOTHNG LIKE THIS! We are planning to add 7700K support soon along with GTX 1080 and 120Hz panel.

 

...Except the P750DM with an MXM gpu and LGA cpu. (Though I guess you can fit more quadros)

Will the 15" 120Hz panel fit into other models like the P650?

How does the bios compare to the Clevo bios, or the Prema bios? (Prema isn't fair no one can really beat that)

 

Will GTX 1080 even fit in here and also worried about temps? How soon will all of these come out?

 

Eurocom knows, they sell the Sky X4E2 (P750DM2) too.

For a 15" powerhouse the Tornado F5 seems more attractive with the lower price and future support for 7700K and GTX 1080. Also not having the less effective 1-piece heatsink cooling design of the Clevo.

 

From what I can tell, it looks like it is probably an awesome little 15-inch monsterbook.

BTW, here is the thread you want: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/want-to-ask-about-eurocom-tornado-f5.796862/

 

Yes 1080 will fit - we just need to develop new heatsink. We will more likely run 1080 at 150W max so the system is very stable.

 

We will offer unlocked BIOS for Tornado F5 once Mr. Fox completes process of getting and O/C tune up.

120Hz panels are under consideration for P650 series.

 

We just added 4K UltraHD option to Tornado F5. GTX 1080 option is under development - expected launch in late January. We will cap TDP at 150W to make it stable.

 

Will it have a new motherboard with a Series 200 motherboard chipset, and matching socket for the Kaby Lake CPU?

 

Yes it will be KBL platform with Z270 chipset, LGA1151 socket based CPU and MXM 3.0 slot based GPUs. Little SuperBeast.

 

Sounds great.

Please keep the price within reason

 

Will the new heatsink be compatible with the current-gen Tornado F5? I'd love to lower temps even more.

So you do have control over the TDP With the beefier heatsink, will you consider raising the TDP cap of the 1070?

 

Good lord, a 1080 in a 15 incher. First time that I have heard of this. It might be the only 15 incher with a 1080 on the market.

 

Wow instead of dodging that aggressive question you knocked it out of the park.

10/10 thats hype!

 

It very well may be. I think this notebook hasn't gotten much attention because it's somewhat similar to the GT62VR (i.e. they both have a 1070). However, stick a 1080 in this notebook and properly cool it? That's front page material

 

GPU Replacement on a Notebook... Is it Possible?
EUROCOM Tornado F5

 

Go figure, looks like it can fit a GTX 1080 after all...


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I thought the MXM slot was capped at the low 100 watt area due to the physical power limitation of the MXM slot. MSI makes the system board so unless they are making a new board with the larger MXM slot I don't think it's going to work.

Secondly will there be Kaby support on the existing Z170 boards or only Z270? Kaby is supposed to work on both.

 

@Mr. Fox Have pushed over 200w@980m
Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_PCI_Express_Module

 

Yeah but is there even a 1080 card that fits this MXM size? This isn't the larger/longer MXM slot as found on the 1080 machines.

 

Are you sure 1080 using larger slot? 1070 and 1080 runs interchangeably. And 1070 is already offered as an upgrade for my P870DM1 (previous generation with 980/980M)
980 - 1080... Probably some 1070 use an additional current (cable from Gpu to MB)

 

@Eurocom Support is there anything you can bring us about the development for the F5 1080 version?

Will it have a different MXM GPU form factor?

Will it pull power from a separate power cable - to bump up to the desired 150w+?

Will it be power limited, limited OC, at 150w - as previous MXM boards of this caliber OC'd to 200w+.

Will it be possible to upgrade an existing F5 (MSI 16L13)? New heatplate, heatpipes, heat exchanger / fan assembly?

Will it get a "fat bottom" to accomodate the larger cooling system?

 

MXM 3.0b spec is up to 120W;MXM3.0. slot can provide even up to 150W of power. Above 150W you need to have extra power for the MXM 3.0 card.

Kaby Lake platform consists of Kaby Lake Z270 chipset and Kaby Lake CPU like 7700K. The 7700K will be supported in Skylake Z170 based model.

 

If you are playing with 150w drawn on the MXM slot, you might want to instead pull some from another power cable, to keep things within safer levels - just in case someone figures out how to override the 150w limit and OC's the heck out of it, hitting 200w++

Melty Pascal GPU's are in season

 

We have an official thread for the Eurocom Tornado F5 located here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...nado-f5-owners-and-discussions-lounge.797128/

This thread is located in the Clevo forums and the other is in the MSI forums.. As to not confuse things further, can we have both threads merged and or just move both of them somewhere that makes more sense?

 

@ElCaptainX - what do you think?

Is it ok to merge the threads into the "official" thread? They are both under MSI...which should make things easier.

@ALLurGroceries - if @ElCaptainX is ok with it, would you please merge this thread into the official thread as noted by @Diversion - Update: @ElCaptainX is cool with it, please merge

 

Yeah everything fine with me, more guys more fun hehe

 

Here are some nature pics of Tornado F5 >>> http://www.eurocom.com/ec/images(384)ec
Let me know if you like this kind of images for high end laptops like Tornado F5.....

 

This thread is not in the Clevo sub-forum. It was originally, but I had a mod move it to MSI quite some time ago. Merging the two makes sense, perhaps. Just be aware that doing so will make some conversations difficult to follow if people that replied to posts failed to quote the one they replied to. The other down side in this case, the "Owner's Lounge" was started on October 14. This thread was started October 7. The opening post with the excellent content presented by Brother @Diversion will no longer be the opening post in the "Owner's Lounge" and that would be sad. Everything from this thread with a date/time stamp before the opening post will be inserted ahead of the content in the "Owner's Lounge" chronologically.

Maybe having @ALLurGroceries or @ElCaptainX simply close this thread would be a better option. @Diversion could link to it in the opening post in the "Owner's Lounge" and the mod that closes this one can post a link to the "Owner's Lounge" in the closing post. Then the "Owner's Lounge" won't get messed up chronologically with 7 days of content displacing the opening post.

 

I've pulled over 200W from the MXM slot with 980M cards in every machine I have run 980M. Alienware M18xR2, Eurocom Sky X9, P570WM and P750ZM to be precise. Below is a recent example from my P750ZM 980M drawing 204W from the MXM slot and the whole machine pulling 359W from the wall.

So, I think that a somewhat lower than normal TDP 1080 should be able to run in the Tornado F5 with no problems. With an auxiliary power source, an ordinary full TDP 1080 should also work, but it would need to use a PCB similar to the 180W Clevo 980 GPU in order for it to fit in the chassis.

 

@Diversion @ElCaptainX @ALLurGroceries @ryzeki

I think preserving the other thread's #1 post is a good idea, and I think the content here is useful to include in the persisting thread. I know from experience it's disappointing to have good content orphaned and never seen again when a thread is closed - even with a link to it in the new thread it rarely gets gone through again.

@ALLurGroceries @ryzeki

Is it possible to merge this thread into the "official" thread, preserve that post #1 and have this thread's content start with post #2?

Maybe @Diversion and @ElCaptainX can go through the merged content to cull what they don't think needs to be kept?

What do you guys think? Agreeing to merging is one thing, but closing a thread and orphaning it's content isn't the same.

 

@Eurocom Support - FYI ^^^