Lenovo/IBM ThinkPad desktops & laptops up to 40% discount. Free standard shipping.

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Yes Maam...

 

Enlighten us.

 

I'm getting a price of $1238 for an X60s with a few minor upgrades (8-cell battery, 3-year warranty)

...but the pricing I see on eBay for essentially the same config is about the same as this deal...

Further, from a FW deal in late 2006 (students/alumni got EPP pricing) I configured the following:

So this new deal after a supposed 25% + 15% discount is only about $54 cheaper than a 6-month old deal available to basically anyone...the only difference with the new deal is Vista instead of XP and 512MB more RAM.

In other words, between eBay prices and other deals offered, this EPP/memorial day sale deal doesn't seem to be all that great!!!???

Or am I missing something? I'd like an X60s very much but the possible illegitimacy of this EPP deal is making me think I should just wait a bit for another sale to come around - with very possibly better pricing anyway.

 

its a good marketing scheme...typically people think of Thinkpads as being $$$, but after Lenovo took over, mid $1000 prices are common, and this 25% deal is not that huge. To the casual consumer, they are blown away by 25%, but in reality, if these were not priced the way they are, people would not buy them. Look at the competitive pricing from HP, and you will see why the Thinkpads wont skyrocket in price after the memorial day sale.

 

I agree that the 25% off Memorial Day sale isn't anything special, but after the extra 15% from EPP, there's no way you can say with a straight face that these deals are lackluster. So what are you saying, that the following isn't anything special, that you see this all the time, even in laptops of other brands?:

1 7658CT CONFIGURED SYSTEM
06/11/07 $1,058.24 $1,058.24
7658CTO CTO THINKPAD T61 WITH INTEGRATED GRAPHICS 1 Y
42V8190 SBB INTEL CORE 2 DUO PRCESST7300
42V8012 SBB MS WIN VISTA HOME BASIC
42V9597 SBB MSWIN VHB32 US ENGLISH
42X1671 ** SBB 14.2"WXGA+TFT,W/ CAMERA
42X0905 ** SBB INTELGMA960W/1394, SMARTCARD
41W2060 VBB 1GB PC2-5300 667MHZ 1DIMM
42V8195 SBB KEYBOARD US ENGLISH
42V9330 SBB UN(TRACKPOINT+TCHPD)+ FING.R
42V8702 SBB 120 GB HDD,5400RPM
42V8715 SBB DVDREC8XMAXDUALLAY,UBAYSLM
42X0805 SBB PC CARDSLOT EX CARDSLOT
41W1685 SBB 11ABGWIFI WL LAN USEULAANZ
62P6054 VBB INTEGR.BLUETOOTH PAN
42V9339 SBB 7 CELL LI-ION BATERRY
41W1787 SBB CPK NORTH AMERICA
27R1769 SBB PSTN CABLE
42V9391 SBB LANG.PACK US ENGLISH
42V9428 SBB PACKAGING US
42V9649 SBB 14.1WXGA+W/OWWAN11N,W/CABT
39T6440 SBB 56K V.92 DESIGNED MODEM
42V8646 SBB CL.PLATE T61WLANANDBLTOOTH
42V9665 SBB FCC, LABEL
42V9667 SBB GEO LABEL US, WLAN,BT
41W2300 SBB LOGO PLATE
42V9632 SBB INTEGRWWAN ANT:14.1" 11ABG
42X0920 SBB INTELGMA 960 W/1394,W/AMT
42V9651 SBB MT 7658 SYSTEM LABEL
42V7973 SBB MS LABEL (VISTA BASIC)
42T7135 SBB INTEL LABEL CORE-2
42X0914 SBB NO SIM MODEL
42X1352 SBB PC CARDSLOT EXPRESCARDSLOT
42X0915 SBB WLAN MISC PARTS
42X1482 SBB BLUETOOTH W/ ANTENNA
42X1702 SBB BLUETOOTH SCREW
42V8063 SBB MS WAU ENGLISH NA-U MODELS
42V9341 SBB 1GB PC2-5300 DDR2 SODIMM

A few days ago, I configured an HP with these specs and the 15% off coupon (now expired), and it was only ~$80 cheaper. $80 more for a Thinkpad is certainly a good investment. A few days ago, Apple released a Macbook refresh and the older Macbooks dropped $100 on Amazon.com. For $1074, it was only 2.0Ghz, 80GB, 1GB RAM, and a superdrive. My configuration has more HD, a (slightly) better CPU, and 1 dimm of RAM (instead of 2) along with more resolution, a fingerprint reader, better quality build, and a better battery, and it was CHEAPER!! Customized Sony and Toshiba laptops are never cheap. The only company that could hold a candle to this pricing is Dell, but their laptops are an abomination. Don't be so quick to write off this sale because you were too scared to go for the EPP deal. Sour grapes.

 

my point was that the prices will not go over $2000 when the sale is over. The old IBM Thinkpad prices are long gone, but to many, they are still surprised to see a Thinkpad in the sub $1500 price range and will pull the purchase trigger immeidately.

The 25% off deal is here and now, but it will be back again. EPP will ALWAYS be there for ligitimate purchases. I dont care if people got the deal or not. To some, the piece of mind that NOTHING negative will suround their purchase is worth a small increase in price. To you, I could say that you are most paranoid about your purchase and need the most self assurance that you did nothing wrong. Is it worth it? Thats for each individual to decide, but at least everyone should educate themselves.

 

EPP is always around for people who work at IBM/Lenovo or know people who work at IBM/Lenovo. Unfortunately, like many other people on this forum, I am not one of those people, so when EPP info leaks out, I will make sure I take advantage of it.

I actually am more than convinced that I made the right call; all I'm trying to do is expose the flaws in the logic of others. Your stance on this deal has been quite interesting. You

1. started out enthusiastic
2. made a purchase
3. tried to get the NBR moderators to delete this thread so less fire could catch on and you could safeguard your purchase
4. cancelled the purchase because of increasing self-doubt & paranoia surrounding the legitimacy of the EPP
5. and now bashing on the current deal possibly to make yourself feel better. (sour grapes syndrome)

I don't see how you can equate paranoia with self-assurance. We need confidence in our lives to get anything done. Without self-confidence, you go through the aforementioned 5-step process of being manipulated by others. Those who lack self-assurance are those who are most affected by the opinions of others because their own opinion isn't sufficient for them to feel good about their decisions. Over the course of this thread, you have gone from a believer to a staunch opponent of the EPP deal, clearly showing you have been affected by many of the opinions in this thread. You needed assurance from others, and unfortunately, you weren't getting it. I'm not getting it either, but I'm still sitting on the deal and waiting for my awesome Thinkpad for only $1058. Enjoy yours for $1500!

 

You got it wrong. I DO have an order placed for a T61 that was legitimately placed with the 25% off and the 10% Tailor Made. Nothing wrong, nothing shady, nothing to worry about in regards to my warranty. When I had my EPP deal placed, yes of course, I didnt want others to screw it up, which im sure has happened based on the kind of postings here. So I simply got out of it by cancelling my order.

If you are so convinced that it is the right choice to claim EPP on the basis of knowing "Meyer", I recommend that you email your sales rep and get your assurance in writting. I wrote two sales people, and neither would confirm that the warranty would be valid. Neither confirmed that the sale would go through or not as well. They both DID press for the EPP information, but I did not write them back. That was not enough assurance for me to stick with the EPP order.

As Ive said, to the people that did do EPP, i hope there is no negativity regarding your order; you get the laptop as promised, and you get the full support/warranty. If you dont, then you can only blame yourself for not educating yourself. For you to say that its "ok", you better be ready to defend yourself if and when anything negative happens to these EPP sales.

Enjoy your T61, I will!

 

Johnny: I personally have no problem using the EPP info available right now to place an order. The absolute worst that could happen is that my 1-year warranty would be void - and I think this is highly unlikely. If it was, chances are that I wouldn't need the warranty anyway. If Lenovo did have a problem with the EPP orders, they will cancel them. Big deal.

My reluctance to place the EPP order is because the deal on the notebook that I'm interested in - an X60s - definitely seems to have just average pricing. In fact, the same notebook can be had in the clearance section of Lenovo's website on occasion for less. Recently the same config was available for $1049 (current EPP pricing is $1238). 6 months ago (like I mentioned) the same config was freely available on sale for $1292. I'm not certain of all the deals have been available in between but it seems likely that similar pricing has been available.

I can't comment on the T61p's pricing since I haven't followed this notebook as I'm not interested in it. From what you've described it is a good deal. It doesn't seem that the same applies to the X60s I'm considering.

Can anyone else comment on the X60s pricing? Am I correct that the EPP + memorial day pricing (available until the 30th) isn't anything special?

 

I don't understand why you are scared of the EPP going sour simply because the reps you emailed are asking for the EPP information. As you said, they never said the sale would go or not go through. You are inferring from absolutely nothing that the EPP deal isn't solid. From your description it sounds like:

s4iscool: Hey guys, I was wondering if buying from EPP using a friend's account would be legit.
2 Lenovo sales reps: Thank you for your interest in Lenovo. What is the EPP account in question?
s4iscool: ( to himself) Oh, forget this crap. They're trying to clarify the situation- nothing good can come of that!!!!!

I also already have my assurance in writing. The "terms and conditions" presented by Lenovo right before I confirmed my order are the only things I am bound to by contract. It makes no sense for me to be legally responsible for stuff Lenovo did not present to me during the buying process. Remember, EPP can be used by the employee herself or by family/friends of the employee. The only thing you could be worried about is limits on how much EPP can be used, and that's Brian Meyer's problem. Those other EPP terms and conditions that people on this thread dug up are applicable to the employees themselves. If I have already been charged by Lenovo, they have to deliver. If there was a violation of EPP, it wasn't on my end, it was on Brian Meyer's, and Mr. Meyer would be the one punished. Lenovo can do anything they want to my order (ie. cancel) before they charge my credit card, but once they charge my credit card, the deal is done, end of story.

Here's an analogy: If I stole a Ferrari and sold it to you, without you knowing it was stolen, can you be arrested? No. The law was broken on my end, not yours.

It seems as if I've educated myself a lot more on the matter than you have. All you can say for yourself is that you freaked out because the sales reps wanted to clarify the situation.

I think you're right. I was looking at last gen Thinkpads (T60, R60, X60) and their prices aren't really that great with this deal. I think the Thinkpads that will benefit most are the current gen. If you look at the starting price of the T61 and T60 for example, the T60 starts about $50 more and comes with a slower processor! You'd think that Lenovo would try to get rid of its old stock at discounted prices, but....whatever.

 

Yeah, the current deal is kind of strange. I priced out a T60 side by side with a T61, the T60 came out just a wee bit more expensive than the T61. Go figure.

 

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And this is where you are wrong again. Let me educate you on your analogy: it is most definetly ILLEGAL to own ANY stolen property. Whether you knew about it or not at the point of sale. Good for you that you are so "educated" and so confident in your deal...you sure dont sound like it.

 

Funny how that's the only thing you could read out of my entire post regarding the Lenovo buyer terms & conditions. You see what you want to see. Even funnier is you didn't do your research:

From the Thomson-Gale Law Encycopedia

Why do you embarrass yourself so? Here's an idea: Instead of wailing on my analogy, try to explain how you can deduce that the EPP deal is bad from your incomplete conversation with the sales reps. Try to explain how buyers can be responsible for terms and conditions not stated by the seller during the buying process. Try to explain how I can be held responsible for Brian Meyer violating ( if he did) a contract only applicable to him in the first place. Try. Entertain us.

 

Because there was nothing worthwhile to see in your posts, except for your cop out that a forum moderator took advantage of the "deal" as well. You have skirted all my points with silly analogies that only show your true colors. You would happily buy stolen goods and screw over your self proclaimed "friend" Meyer, because you dont care about how they were obtained. Nice one! Once again, if you were so confident, then stop talking about the contract in circles, and call IBM to confirm what you are speaking as gospel here.

One again, I dont give two sh!ts about what happens to your deal. I made my decision based on my research, and you havent proven anything to the contrary. Ive said my point over and over, people need to know what they are getting into, and if you feel a hunch of negativism about a deal, SOME people choose to not get involved. Again, I hope the deal works out for others, but it would be a damn shame for some to go into this blindly and end up getting shafted.

 

Twist words any way you like, my point is still correct, it is illegal to own ANY stolen property. Is this so hard for you and your Google skills to understand? If you wish to speak about more contract law, go ahead and PM me, Ill start billing you by the hour. Feel free to keep editing/changing your posts as well...

 

How is the contract talk going in circles? The terms and conditions are listed right when you are about to submit the order! I'd copy/paste it all here, but it would make the post way too long. I can never violate EPP because I am Mr. Meyer's friend. I didn't do a violation. The EPP can be given to friends and family of the employer. I am only bound to whatever Lenovo presents to me during the buying process. Simple as that. If you feel the EPP deal can fall through, it is your burden of proof to show why you are right, and your miscommunication with the sales reps is NOT sufficient.

Regarding my analogy, all I'm saying is that I can't be responsible for the illegitimate activities of others. You can't marginalize the importance of truth by pointing out that I found it from Google. Go Google "18 USC 2315." It will tell you about the United States Code regarding "receiving stolen property." Your point isn't correct and no one here cares if you are an aspiring lawyer who thinks he can charge people for flawed legal advice. If you know what you received is stolen, then you are breaking the law. If not, then you aren't.

I edit my posts to make sure the things I say are fact-checked and to provide necessary evidence. Every time you post, you always assert something without bringing any proof to the table, rendering your opinions completely unjustified and/or contradicted by reality, and to top off your crass tirade, you throw out wild accusations like "you're twisting words" or "you're speaking in circles." In actuality, anything I've claimed thus far has been more coherent then anything you have come up with. Seriously, what points have you come up with that I have supposedly "skirted with my analogies"?

Such ill-will is a testament to how you're getting flustered because your opinion is falling apart without anything to support it.

 

Ummmm...stop arguin...how about keep this thread about IBM thinkpad/desktop up to 40% discount and you guys can just pm each others about your own opinions...?

OR HOW ABOUT

 

Well, our discussion technically is about the 40% discount so we haven't hijacked anything.

 

so the basis of everything you have spoken of is the claim that you are Brian Meyer's friend. We all know that isnt true. End of discussion. As others said, PM me if you want to continue with your fantasy about being Meyer's friend. We can let others decide for themselves at this point.

 

Wow, sorry about my lack of integrity, Mr. Rogers (aka "let's delete this thread to deprive others the opportunity to take advantage of this EPP deal").

Now that I have made my snide comment, feel free to be the first to PM me about our discussion so I have the public last word on this thread. Oh, is that what you were trying to do?

 

I can't see Meyer's code any longer, OP removed it?

 

All the places that used to have the code and were removed have this edit note:

Last edited by John Ratsey : Today at 02:52 AM. Reason: Removal of personal data on request of employee

 

I'm going to put an end to this speculation on Tuesday by calling in to make a few changes to my order. If the customer service rep mentions anything about a problem with using the EPP discount during the conversation, I'll let you guys know.

 

Ok, please do. Thanks.

 

For those still wondering about whether there's gonna be repercussions to a transaction based on a leaked EPP, a brief note. The analogy with stolen property is particularly inappropriate. It is contractual law that applies here because entering into a buying agreement is a contract and warranties are also contracts. We're talking Law 101, by the way.

So the question is this: can Lenovo be bound by these contracts?

 

You misunderstood my analogy, so I will explain again. The analogy applies to the fact that if Meyer violates the EPP agreement by giving his info to me and I didn't know he violated it, then I can't be held responsible. Yes, if Lenovo presented the EPP agreement to me during the buying process, then I'd have to agree to it, but they didn't. The contract in question only applies to Meyer.

 

Johnny boy, you lose. You can call and try to prove that you are Meyer's friend, afterall that is the story of your life no? If this was legit, then why would Meyer want all his information to be removed? Id bet that he never wanted it posted to forums where millions of people have seen it.

BTW, I just found out a neighbor or mine is an IBM employee and said "awesome, Id love you to get a lenovo, let me tell you about EPP!". I dont expect you to understand that this is a legal purchase, as opposed to yours. I also have nothing to worry about, unlike you and the call you are making to end the "speculation". Why the doubt now, when you were so confident?

 

I'd have to totally agree with that. You have nothing to worry about. s4iscool can brag all he wants but in the end you are both going to get the same discount. As far as I'm concerned, it's no different than if johnny_1987 was walking into Best Buy and found a 10% off coupon blowing in the wind and took it into the store and used it.

Lenovo will be happy they made another sale. They are still making money off of it. Mr. Lenovo won't get his feathers ruffled near as much as all of you who are just too paranoid.

 

Your analogy was quite clear. The problem is that stealing property (a car, in your analogy) is a completely different area of the law than adhering to the clauses of a contract. Stealing is a crime, a felony. Violating a contract is a civil offense. Both are illegal but there's a world of difference between the two. For instance, the notion of presumption of innocence in civil trials is much weaker than in criminal trials. The rules of admissible evidence are also different. (A good example of this is how OJ Simpson was found not guilty in criminal court but was found responsible for those same deaths in a civil trial.)

Now, here's the deal. Irrespective of whether Meyer has a contract or not with IBM, Lenovo or whomever, your purchase constitutes a contract. When Lenovo shows laptop A for $B, that's an offer. When you put it in your cart and check out, that's an acceptance. The offer and the acceptance constitute a contract. You're going to give $B to Lenovo in exchange for laptop A. It's the same thing as buying potatoes at the grocery store but when we buy potatoes the whole process is so informal and quick that we don't think of it in terms of a contract. And yet, each time we purchase something, there's a contract at least for a brief moment. In the case of a laptop, the process is more formal than when we buy potatoes because the amount of money exchanged bigger, there's a delay between the purchase and the delivery of the good and then there's a warranty, which is another contract.

 

The point was never about whether or not the purchase was legit. The point was that I could never get in trouble for it. You can charge for legal advice, but you can't even READ??:

They can't touch me after the charge me and ship the order. They can do whatever they damn well please before any of that happens. If EPP happens to be illegit and they cancel the order, fine, I'll just order again. But what will never happen, as you so valiantly claim, is that Lenovo will raise hell after the shipment and deny warranties. I never argued against cancellation, I always argued against this denying warranty business and the ensuing paranoia that people like you on the forum started.

I'm happy for you. Really, I wish I knew someone who worked at Lenovo/IBM too. What, were you trying to spite me? That's pretty childish.

 

Again, for the fourth time, I know my purchase was a contract. That contract is whatever Lenovo presented to me during the buying process, which is the "terms and conditions" right before you submit the order. There are no clauses or points in that agreement about my having to adhere to the same things Brian Meyer has to, regarding the EPP limitations and whatnot. Those are Brian Meyer's responsibilities. And as elegant as your response was, you still ignore the fact that I cannot be held responsible for the mistakes of others. As Brian Meyer, the employee, violates the EPP contract that is applicable to employees, then Meyer, and Meyer alone is responsible, not me, the innocent customer who had no idea Meyer violated his EPP contract when he gave me his EPP account information.

In other words, the analogy analogizes the difference in the transfer of responsibility (or lack of) in these two scenarios. I'm not responsible for Meyer violating his contract (assuming I didn't know about it of course, which is something you can never disprove) and Bob is also not responsible if Jake sells him a stolen Ferrari if Bob didn't know Jake stole it. The analogy DOES NOT attempt to draw similarities between the punishments for contract violation and stealing, only the fact that the perpetrator(s) of both crimes is/are solely responsible for said crimes. I've never seen the LSAT myself, but I'd think there were lots of analogistic type problems, no?

 

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These "NancyBoys are Killin Me...

 

I just ordered 2.....a t60 flexview for the wife and a t61 because it was so cheap.

either the sale goes thru and i get my thinkpads or i don't......either way i ain't gonna lose anysleep over it......just anxiously awaiting my T61.....

ROFLMAO at those who lost their nerve......

 

Is anybody really close to being shipped there EPP notebook yet. If so, has the credit card charge been changed over to an actual charge yet. Just curious!

 

Why all the commotion about the EPP. I am sure this is a ploy from Lenovo to sell more laptops. They probably leaked Mr. Meyers info in this Notebook Review forum, hoping this will increase sales. After all, this is where a lot of people come to get information about certain laptops. To me, either the sales goes through or they don't. You can either google T61 or check out most of the coupon sites and the 40% discount shows. Calm down. I am sure by Tuesday or Wednesday we will have some answers.

 

thanks. I believe that we both want ourselves and others to get a good deal, and got more caught up in the disagreements more than anything.
I got my unexpected EPP deal wrapped up, so once again, enjoy your T61 which will more than likely have zero problems.

 

The following thread will be of interest to those who have been wondering about the legal aspect of all this:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=126157

 

Just wondering. How much cheaper was the Thinkpad T61 with 2 gb sdram?

My cousin actually works for IBM, so I could theoretically get her to buy me a laptop, but she's away at the moment and I don't want to bother her on vacation unless it's significant.

 

you might as well upgrade to 1dimm 1GB and then ordering another stick of 1GB for ~$40. this is fairly significant, so give her a call if you really want it. However, there are shipping delays at this time as well.....see Lenovo/IBM section.

 

Well when FW decided to double cashback to 6% last night I couldn't resist any longer. I ordered 2 X60s with EPP + 25% off + 6% cashback. Too bad I don't have an AMEX!

How long do I have to phone in and cancel my order if I decided to?

 

Hey guys
The U/P isn't working anymore.

 

not to be stupid....but....U/P?

 

Username and password?

 

could be....

but.....the original EPP - employee name and # are still working....I just now configured one using it.

 

I looks forward to seeing the next sale. I suppose an Independence Day sale will be right around the corner. If it doesn't start tomorrow, it will just be a matter of a week or two. the memorial Day sale is good enough for me, but I'm still holding out on a T61/T61p with a 15.4" screen.

 

The EPP stuff still work, but I to will wait for the 4th of july sale and hope this EPP stuff is still valid.

 

Display Panel
15.4 WXGA TFT

It's out now, but it appears that it's integrated graphics only.

 

the R61 also has 15.4" widescreen with a wsxga+ resolution and Nvidia quadro 140m graphics.