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    Intel-TongFang QC7 (Element/Fusion 15/MAG-15/Vapor 15 Pro)

    Discussion in 'Other Manufacturers' started by B0B, Sep 2, 2019.

  1. seanwee

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    Yup, GS65s use 80w 2080 Max-qs which are matched by 100w 2070s (RB Pro 17)
     
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    That's not currently true. Recently spotted following config for Price: $1,469.00:
    Gigabyte AERO 15 Classic-SA-F74ADW 15" Thin Bezel LG 144Hz FHD IPS LCD, i7-9750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti, Samsung 16GB RAM, M.2 PCIe 512GB Intel 760P SSD
    Even comes with a faster 760P.
    The Fusion 15 definitely has the better aesthetics. Also heat on the keyboard looks better on the Fusion 15. Hope this trend continues and in 1-2 years we'll have the perfect jack of all trades device.
     
  3. eddi3x3x3

    eddi3x3x3 Notebook Evangelist

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    Yea but this laptop features electroboost which in theory provides better performance than the run of the mill 1660 ti (cooling permit of course) and they mechanical keyboard is very nice too along with most of the ports in the back to allow for a cleaner setup.

    Hey @XMG any updates on this ticket? Also I'd think they could implement something like a web-like API (localhost on a port or something) that takes in a json object to denote which keys to change to what color and they'd be able to implement something like a "Do not accept more than 1 request per 0.5 secs" or however fast they want to allow the keyboard to change without burning out anything. I'm getting really close to jumping the gun on this laptop as it definitely seems like an upgrade from my alienware m15 r1 (doesn't get as hot, lighter, mechanical keyboard, per key RGB, better response times on panel).

    Also, I'd like to mention that as @B0B did mention in his review, electroboost capability is indeed disabled in balanced mode (don't know if it's because of the extra wattage being sent to the CPU or what) but I guess in the end ill have to use performance mode and use throttlestop to power limit throttle the CPU possibly to keep electroboost active.
     
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  4. Felix_Argyle

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    I meant the new Aero 15. New Aero has better (compared to old one) cooling system, with side air exhausts and heatsinks, it is similar to MAG-15 in this way. It is still more expensive even in cheapest config.
     
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  5. XMG

    XMG Company Representative

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    Sorry, I'm not at liberty to share such numbers. The GPU TGP is under-reported in the various tools and measuring at the wall socket won't give you precice numbers due to power adapter conversion rate.

    Thank you for namedropping, I like it.

    No update on this ticket yet. But I will add your additional suggestion about web-like API to the ticket now.

    Not sure which P/G/F settings Eluktronics is running in Balanced, but on my sample, before thermal saturation kicks in, the raw GPU performance is the same between between Enthusiast and Balanced since both of these profiles are running the unlimited "G1" mode.

    Cheers,
    XMG|Tom
     
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    Old Aero 15 is pretty crap tbh
     
  7. Justin Ailey

    Justin Ailey Newbie

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    Hey @XMG,

    I recently purchased a Eluktronics Mag-15 and wanted to see if your model had a similar issue. My microphone jack is not functioning properly and Eluktronics was able to replicate the issue.

    It looks like when purchasing a splitter like this one here, connecting apple or beats headphones does not allow you to use the microphone on them. In addition I also attached a RODE VideoMicro directly into the microphone jack and it's extremely quiet compared to the built in microphone.

    Was your team able to replicate this issue on the Fusion?
     
  8. Helgrinds

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    I have two questions about the eluktroboost.

    First, is it only avaliable if bought through the eluktronics site? I saw that there was an option for free to turn it off or on when paying for it, but I didn't see anything similar on, for example, amazon.

    Secondly, does it actually boost performance or is it some kind of buzzword? If not, are there any cons?
     
  9. eddi3x3x3

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    It's available on the Amazon version too based on the response in the qa section. It does boost the 2070 Max q to be between a 2070 Max q and 2080 Max q. The disadvantage is that the laptop will get hotter and will throttle the gpu sooner unless
    A. You use the tweaks in this thread to increase the GPU thermal limit
    B. Cap the CPU frequency to reduce the amount of heat it outputs
    C. Use throttlestop to cap the CPU power limit to 45Watts

    Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk
     
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    Assuming that I mainly plan to run it as stock would it then be better to get it without the boost?
     
  11. eddi3x3x3

    eddi3x3x3 Notebook Evangelist

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    I didn't even think getting it without boost was an option. You can buy it with the boost and then just run it in balanced profile all the time, balanced profile disables electroboost and lowers the wattage to the CPU so you'll get a "normal" GPU power limit and there should be no thermal throttle. (Correct me if I'm wrong here guys)

    Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk
     
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  12. XMG

    XMG Company Representative

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    @Justin Ailey

    When discussing Audio issues, first let's make sure that we have all drivers installed. Please follow our instructions:

    Smart Sound Technology (requires reboot)
    Please note that a reboot is required after installation of Intel Smart Sound Technology (ISST). If the system is not rebooted after this driver, then the following Audio driver won’t include the ISST subset of features.
    1. Run “Setupinf.exe” in \Drivers folder with Admin rights
    2. There will be 4 messages “The operation completed successfully.”
    3. Please confirm each 4 of those messages, then restart Windows via Start Menu
    4. The Windows reboot is mandatory before proceeding to the next step!

    Audio Driver (consists of 3 parts)
    After ISST and Reboot, the Audio driver consists of 3 individual parts. Please install each 3 parts in the suggested sequence.
    1. Audio Driver v. 6.0.8703.1
    2. SPKEQ_TF_PCAPP_US_1_00_24.exe
    3. CreativeAudioEffectsComponentInstaller_2.0.0.36.exe

    Source: https://download.schenker-tech.de/package/xmg-fusion-15-xfu15l19/
    We have re-packaged some of these drivers. The file and foldernames from other sellers might be different.

    You describe that your microphone does not work at all with this splitter. This might be an an incompatibility between your splitter and your headset. There are two competing standards: CTIA vs. OMTP. An explainer on this can be found here:
    https://help.longtailproducts.com/h...-Headset-Standards-Apple-iPhone-AHJ-CTIA-OMTP

    Microphone and Ground are reversed in CTIA vs. OMTP.

    Your splitter adapter needs to follow the standard of the headset that you're using.
    If you use an OMTP headset on an CTIA adapter, your mic will hit the ground.

    A google search reveals that your Beats headphone cable might be built in the OMTP standard.
    The splitter product page you linked did not specify whether it follows CTIA or OMTP.

    With the correct combination of phone headset and splitter I can use this kind of setup no problem.

    [​IMG]

    The same should work if you use a traditional PC headset where headphone and microphone jacks are separated.

    My System:
    • XMG FUSION 15
    • Windows 10, Version 1809
    • BIOS 0052
    • Control Center 2.1.0.15
    • Audio_Driver_Win10_6.0.8703.1
    • CreativeAudioEffectsComponentInstaller_2.0.0.36
    • SPKEQ_TF_PCAPP_US_1_00_24

    In Soundblaster Connect, I previously enabled the "Studio Recording" profile to get a clean EQ on the microphone.

    On the right side, I increased Bass, Crystalizer and Smart Vol - but this only affects output.

    [​IMG]

    To conduct a true hardware/driver test, let's disable all Soundblaster functions:
    - Disable EQ
    - Disable Voice Enhancer
    - Disable SBX PRO STUDIO

    Now, if you record a file with the microphone-jack and play it back to yourself, it might sound rather quiet.

    The culprit is in the Windows driver microphone input gain.
    In Windows 10, Microsoft has hidden these settings very well. Thanks, Steve Ballmer!

    My fastest way to access it:

    Right click on the Speaker icon in the systray → Sounds

    A new window will open. Here you switch to the " Recording" tab and double click the " Microphone" device:

    [​IMG]
    (click image for full view)

    The default settings here are:
    • Microphone (aka Gain) at 80%
    • Microphone Boost at +10 dB
    I would recommend to increase Gain to 100% and keep the boost in the default position.

    I have 3 different headsets/microphones here. Using the Windows Voice Recorder app, I conducted a test for you with four settings for each microphone:
    • Gain 80, Boost 10
    • Gain 100, Boost 10
    • Gain 100, Boost 20
    • Gain 100, Boost 30
    You can find this test in video format here:



    The volume of the audio files have not been modified after recoding.
    The original files can be found here:

    File: XMG-FUSION-15_Microphone-Samples.zip [Download]

    You could argue that the input gain should be changed to 100% by default. I'm not sure if Microsoft even allows to change such a setting. I will wait for some more feedback from other users before I make any more moves on this topic.

    Cheers,
    XMG|Tom
     
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  13. gman29

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    Do other OEMs like @XMG and Aftershock have their own version of Eluktroboost on their Intel collab laptops?
     
  14. XMG

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    Yes. It's a standard feature from the ODM. We market in in XMG NEO series as " Overboost".
    In XMG FUSION, we don't put much emphasis on it because we don't want to raise false expectations.
    The building blocks of the performance profiles are identical between each Intel partner - we all draw from the same source, as explained in this post.

    Cheers,
    XMG|Tom
     
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    Hah, so I just found out about the $100 price increase. Oh well, I guess it wasn't meant to be, I can't justify going from the 15x to this for that price sadly.
     
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    Yep, totally agree. Let's wait and see what Black Friday and Christmas sales will bring to the table :D
     
  17. Shere Khaan

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    Just got delivery of my Fusion 15 to replace my old and swollen Alienware 13. I am not going to be doing any benchmarks because I don't really care about them, so don't ask, but I will answer some other questions if I can and give feedback.

    First off on opening the laptop and setting it up (I am still in the setup phase) I am happy with the build quality of the laptop. I almost thought it was plastic because of the lightness and finish on the chassis, but it feels good. I used the trackpad to begin with and it's ok; I don't normally use them and I don't like them but it worked ok.

    The keyboard feels great. It is taking me a little while to get used to it as it's my first mechanical keyboard, ubt I really like the feel. It is slightly noisier than a chiclet keyboard but it doesn't seem too loud.

    Doing lots of data transfer, surfing, downloading etc the laptop hits 40 occasionally and will kick the fans into low gear which is fine (quiet mode) and I haven't actually got any games fully installed yet to test the graphics yet. The screen is fine and I have zero backlight bleed. Happy with that so far and I haven't had a chance to test the battery in real world usage yet.

    The speakers aren't great. They are servicable, but worse than my alienware I'll see how they are when I watch a few movies on this.

    Now for a question. I want to undervolt the cpu some more can I do this from the bios (my preference) or do I need to install other software?
     
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    Would anyone be so kind to report the charge rate shown by hwinfo when on idle in powersaving mode (running on battery) and minimum display brightness? :)
     
  19. XMG

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    Hi there, thank you for your positive feedback!

    The speakers get better once you play around in the "Soundblaster Connect" software, especially increase the Smart Vol and Bass.

    The BIOS does not provide undervolting options, so you will have to go through Intel XTU or some 3rd party software. It is currently not expected that Intel will add Undervolting options to the BIOS for this model. The CPU already ships with -50mV Undervolt out of the box.

    Cheers,
    XMG|Tom
     
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    I'm curious of this too. My alienware m15 can have a charge rate of 40Wh or 80Wh.

    Wait a minute. Fans kick in on 40C? @XMG I thought you said they would kick in at 48C and higher.
     
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    I meant the negative charge rate (discharge ;))

    On the m15r1 I tested it was 7.5W to 8W, and package CState could not go below PC3

    I will get the numbers on my XMG Fusion 15 tonight, but I would like to get numbers from other users too, just to make sure they match.
     
  22. Shere Khaan

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    I think it is 50 degrees they kick in, I wasn't watching the guage for the cutoff, sorry. on the plus side the cooling system works well :D
     
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    I get same on my m15r1. Still good for 10 hours of use.
     
  24. XMG

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    The fans ease in with 30% at 50C and shut off after 3 minutes below 48C.
    Different tools might read different temps though.

    Charge rate depends on the charge status (%) of the battery. I'm away from my sample for a few days and can't give you a reading right now.

    Cheers,
    XMG|Tom
     
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    We are talking about the power consumption as measured at the battery point, not an actual chargin rate.

    The AC needs to be disconnected. The Charge Rate will be a negative number that can be interpreted as the power consumption of the machine.
     
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    Does anyone have news on Shipping status of eluktornics ?
    i ordered mine at eluktronics website on 18 th September , Never heard back from them . Writed 3-4 times to their email, but they never get back to me , I ordered mine with liquid metal paste .
     
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    Can the drivers from XMG be used if the laptop came from Eluktronics, and vice versa. Are they all universal?
     
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    Drivers should be the same.

    I wouldn't risk it with the BIOS, just in case they have custom incompatible versions (although I doubt it).
     
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    Thank you very much for your help and prompt response!
     
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    My XMG Fusion (2070) just arrived today, I will try to do some tests tonight. Is there some app by XMG to keep it updated or we do it manually checking the site?
     
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    It does get better, solid sound now with some playing around. :)
     
  33. eddi3x3x3

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    Anyone know if this laptop supports intel XMP (Intel Extreme memory profile)? I think it does based on the ram clock speed I saw perma doing but im not sure.
     
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    There is no app or service for update notifications, sorry. But we recently migrated out download portal to Wordpress. Maybe we can do something with RSS feeds or subscriptions in the future.

    [​IMG]

    Officially it does not support XMP. We already have a report from a user who was not able to run these DDR4-3000 modules out of the box without running into some issues.

    We have not looked into what Prema has done or if his system was stable beyond initital benchmarking. Please keep in mind that higher RAM speeds increase CPU temperatures as well. Intel officially supports up to DDR4-2666 in i7-9750H.

    Cheers,
    XMG|Tom
     
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    That's pretty strange since most reports on this forum are of very prompt replies. Have you tried contacting @Eluktronics on the phone or via chat? Maybe your email got incorrectly flagged as spam. I believe they are expanding their support team so maybe things are a bit hectic right now on their end.
    On the other hand, take into consideration that ordering with liquid metal adds a delay on the order.
    Keep us posted!
     
  36. smokingkid

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    thank you Tom, another (stupid) question: visiting the site it's not particularly clear how to correctly upgrade BIOS, should i use the USB stick method? Are you planning to switch to upgrading through Windows?
     
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    Our generic guide for BIOS Update via EFI Shell works on this model, too.

    But now it's even easier. Intel has implemented the BIOS Update mechanism straight into the BIOS via F7 during Boot time. The BIOS Updates are strictly packaged as "Capsule Update" files (CAP) which will update EC, ME and BIOS in one go. Very clean and simple.

    BIOS Update Instructions for XMG FUSION 15:
    • Extract ZIP file
    • Put .CAP file on USB Stick (does not need to be empty)
    • Reboot and hold F7 to enter BIOS Update Tool
    • Navigate towards USB Stick and select CAP file
    • Apply and Confirm update
    • After update, Reboot, enter Setup (F2), go to Exit and Load Defaults
    • Go to Boot and enable "Fast Boot" again
    • Save & Exit, Finished
    Even the USB Stick is not really neccessary. You can use the Update Tool (F7) to navigate to the CAP file directly on your SSD, if you know how to find it. Hint: C:\Users\tom\Downloads\...
    But you have to unpack the ZIP file first, of course.

    We will put these instruction up on the download page shortly.

    Updating via Windows is supported by Intel but Intel's Windows BIOS Capsule Update tool has been removed by our FAE team for this update. Since this is a new product, we want to play it safe and only support a nice and clean, expert low-level update process for the time being. Call us crazy, but Windows and Firmware updates do not really go well together. Windows introduces too many unpredictable variables, including unexpected user behaviour.

    XMG <3 EFI Shell <3 Capsule Update Tool

    Cheers,
    XMG|Tom
     
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    amazing response Tom, and yes you should put that guide togheter with the BIOS download files :) thanks I will procede to upgrade it immediatly.
    So far the machine feels amazing, flawless build quality, will report back on performance soon!
     
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    Hi @XMG I have just downloaded all the drivers for the Fusion 15 and I see that many of them are digitally signed by... Clevo :D

    Why is that? Does Tongfang work with Clevo? Or did they just reuse the same drivers?
     
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    We repackaged some of Intel's drivers for extra convenience and re-used some Clevo tools for it, most notably the SetupInf.exe program which is a simple tool that uses Windows-internal mechanisms to install the INF files provided by Intel. So this crosstalk is 100% on us. I apologize if this caused any confusion during installation. // Tom
     
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    Interesting, thanks!
    No problem, I was just curious :)
     
  42. Saurabh Prasad

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    My Eluktronics order is in Awaiting Fulfillment for last three days. No reply on mails too.
    How much time did it take for you guys ?
     
  43. eddi3x3x3

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    Can anyone post what FPS they are getting (average and lowest) from these games (on Max and medium settings)
    1. League of legends
    2. Monster Hunter world
    3. Ark: survival evolved
    4. Overwatch
    5. Destiny 2

    Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk
     
  44. Eluktronics

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    Can you please share your order number via DM and verify if you've received a reply to your order status inquiry? I'll be happy to check for you otherwise. We have been receiving requests from customers for an order status update and it's being sent to our sales, support and internal messaging system which has made this difficult to sort through to ensure we're not providing a repetitive reply. If your order status says "awaiting fulfillment", please be patient. This means your payment has cleared, the order was approved and the next update you will receive from our system is an order shipment notification with tracking. If we are late on the original estimated ship date, we are providing a free second day air shipping upgrade.
     
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    MAG-15 Owners - BIOS Update, new Control Center, updated Intel Smart Sound Technology and Sound Blaster are now available on this page:

    https://www.eluktronics.com/mag-15-drivers/

    If you have any questions or need assistance, please send me a DM. We did include installation instructions where necessary inside of the files. Sorry to say this BIOS update does not change the 75c GPU limitation, but our Gaming mode will now allow the system to run stock frequency (instead of 645MHz) like other 1660Ti/2070MQ's and will very unlikely reach the 75c. Gaming + EluktroBoost mode will still reach the 75c cap with the added power.
     
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  46. Eluktronics

    Eluktronics Company Representative

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    Your order was placed on the 6th and would have indicated an estimated ship date of October 17th +4-5 business days with your liquid metal selection at the time you placed your order. It seems many are not seeing the estimated ship date indication we're providing at the top of the product page before customization. We're working on changing this so it is more prominent.
     

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  47. Saurabh Prasad

    Saurabh Prasad Notebook Guru

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    Thanks
     
  48. DrManhattan

    DrManhattan Notebook Enthusiast

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    Quick question, is there any interest in buying it from Amazon now ?

    When I try to buy it there I get a total price of around 1700$ with tax included, while on the eluktronics website no taxes seem to be added and the final price is 1599$. Am I missing something ?

    Edit : just pulled the plug and bought it on the Eluktronics website, for a total of $1.599. But my Paypal shows a total payment of $1671.18 ? What's this about @Eluktronics ?
     
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  49. Fedorov113

    Fedorov113 Newbie

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    Hello! I am really interested in this laptop. Thinking about selling my current laptop (Surface Book gen1) and my desktop PC and buying 1660 version of this machine. However, touchpad is CRUCIAL for me as I rely on it heavily during my work, and I have never met a better touchpad on windows machine than on Surface devices. Can you please give a deeper review of the touchpad and maybe even a comparison with surface/mac book touchpads? Thank you!
     
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    Thank you very much for the heads up!
     
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