Penryn in IFL90!

Since you are well connected with Zepto, can you take pictures of the new mobo?

 

pleeeaaase !

 

Sorry for my swamp monkey manners, please?

 

I just downloaded PC Wizard 2008, it is the most complete system info I have seen, try it.

 

The motherboard is redesigned that's a fact.
I have the older BTO15W25+ (Compal IFL90) and the new BTO 15W26+ (Compal SRR).
Correct i contact my vendor and the informed me it's the FL90 but it's also know as the JFL92 (SRR Model)

 

Sorry can't do that as I'm not in the RMA department of our company.

 

You don't need to be in the RMA department, you need to be in the photography department

 

Well the RMA department is where they take the machines apart I only sit and talk to customers on the phone and answer email from i get to work until i go home

 

Don't worry, I'm just kidding.

 

Dream job

 

For all of you.

This might give all of you an idea, keep in mind for any questions I got both machine running fine with the T7500 and the T9500 both with BIOS version 1.16.

So check pics for more info an details.

Compal FL90 pic's






Compal FL90 SRR (JFL92) pic's

 

So my CPU is the Penryn T9500.
To be correct is this version:

Butt still no part number detected.

 

Great pictures, thanks a lot. I will print them and try to identify the thermal IC

 

I contacted Intel to give more details about the Penryn CPU for Notebooks.

Reply by email wasn't giving me the best answer but then again it's something.
It looks like this will clearup some questions.

"Intel has decided to make public details of their new 45nm manufacturing process and also has broken news that next-gen Penryn core processors are running various versions of Windows and Vista successfully. Penryn will offer a host of core tweaks over Conroe, larger cache sizes, and SSE4 support. Also, although clock speeds will be increased, processors based on Penryn should fall within the same thermal power range as Conroe. Word is Penryn will also be compatible with some of the existing motherboards on the market while others will need either a BIOS update or perhaps other board-level changes."

 

I also thought of calling Intel but I didn't trust their responsiveness. So I got the full specification for the Penryn and then is very extensive and technically consuming. To me Penryn has more relax requirements regarding heat dissipation than the Merom, so I cannot imagine that the thermal IC is that different, voltages control are definitely different. I will go through the spec and let you know, although this should not stop you from breathing as you already have the Penryn.

 

Correct the notebook I have is a beast, it real it much faster then my older version.
Also OC with the system and with the GPU is great.
I will keep you up to date.

 

You had a T7500, which is 2.2GHz, I have a T7700 (2.4GHz) so I don't think I will see much difference going up 200MHz, but still, if I can only buy the processor and the new xxxx IC, then I'm saving big bucks!!!!

I think Compal should have an appplication note, thinking to the many loyal buyers that would like to upgrade at their own risk to Penryn, very much like when you would like to upgrade the CD player or GPS in your car, you don't have to buy a bran new car

The thing is, Compal doesn't sell processor, nor the xxxx IC, so they don't care. It takes a chipset reseller to do so, however Intel must have a reference design for the Penryn or even an application note, I'll try to investigate that without getting Paladin hit me with his rod Just kidding, Paladin is an excellent reseller, I really appreciate his many words of wisdom, sincerely.

 

RePaRaQu YOU ARE THE MAN! Thank you a lot for the pictures!

I have seen on my girlfriend's FL90 that she has a REV 1A board. On mine I have a sticker at the same place like on your JFL92, I had purchased it two week ago after a fresh restock of my vendor, maybe I have a JFL92.

I will investigate and get you in tune.

 

There is no such a JFL92 to my knowledge. I would seem they are calling JFL92 a FL90 refresh witht the appropriate BIOS and a new thermal IC to accomodate the Penryn processor. Now, if you have this FL90 refresh, then you could basically install* a Penryn in it, but you must make sure that it is the FL90 refresh for the Penryn.

* I'm not suggesting you to do so!

 

This is exactly what I have just said

 

I must be tire, sorry!

 

Ok, I have just looked at the numbers under the barcode.

My girlfriend's FL90 : 733 39303Y13628179
Mine (suspected to be a "refresh") : 742 39303Y13606508

RePaRaQu, could you give yours please in order to compare them, it is difficult to properly read them on your pictures.

 

I think yu mean the serial number, no i know that's not the thing to look at to get the idea it a SRR or an older Compal FL90 version.

But here is my serial; 74739303212927654

 

There are many bar codes in the whole system, where are you reading these numbers? Take a picture and post it so we have a good reference.

 

This is my serial number you can check my pictures a few pages back.

 

Yes, I know, I was wondering about Sykander's serial numbers.

 

They are the same at the same place.

 

Mine believe it or not it is in the space where the batteery goes, so you remove the battery and then you can see the SN, which is 2079810100703. However I support RePaRaQu response, I don't think the SN will give you a definitive confirmation of whether you have a regular FL90 or the SRR one.

What we really need is the application note from Intel or Compal itself indicating the modifications to the regular FL90 to accomodate Penryn. However they will never do so because they want you to keep buying the whole laptop when you want to upgrade, I find that unfair but that's the commercial world we are living on today, very greedy. Is like forcing you to buy a new car when you want to get a GPS

 

check this: provided by email for me its the final answer even I got the new SRR model I requested the info for all the others here.

 

It is a fact now that we are talking of the same IFL90/FL90, the big question is, what are the minor modifications. Some people are worry about the warranty in case they foul around with theiur laptops, but that is their perrogative. Others (like me), are willing to experiment with the modification and get a Penryn laptop for 1/5 of the price.

I will try to inquire with Intel because I really want to get to the end of this matter.

 

I guess I could bring out for lunch a Compal Engineer, the thing is that I can buy two laptop with the traveling expenses to Taiwan/China

 

Well the end is in the email, your mainboard is the same as my old IFL90 (BTO15W25+ and it will work fine with the BIOS version 1.16 but the CPU isn't detected correctly and this will cause heat production CPU faults and the final result is BSOD and other hardware failure.

Intel isn't the company to check, contact Compal for further questions and or ask your vendor for more info about the Penryn CPU support, if they tested this with an older version.
With older I mean, check my email this explains the hardware change for the new (J)FL90 to support the Penryn.

 

The e-mail you got explain the plan, but it doesn't give the details of the modifications.

 

If you read the post, you can see now real adjusting the mainboards are not to different from the other models Compal makes.
THe only thing is the redisgn, because the Penryn is delivered from the first Q of 2008 i don't think notebooks bought before Jan 2008 are tested and apporved to be using and supporting teh Penryn CPU.

 

The mobo will indeed need to be redesigned because many things have to be taken into account to support your powerful processor, however just changing the thermal IC will get you working at slightly better than the general performance of the T7700, however we still need to come with a fully re-designed mobo with a new FSB driver to get the full power of the current and future higher speed Penryn.

My memory is slower than yours, PC-5300, that's explain the difference of 4.8 vs 5.1. The Desktop's performance difference could be due to the nVidia card driver, which one do you have? But in the overall you must confess that we have very similar figures, don't we?

 

no no...........
The memory isn't faster because of the PC2-6400.
As I said my older notebook is uisng the same memory as my new machine but the preformance index still tells me it's not going to be faster then 4.8.
I tell you my new Compal is running on the new redesigned mainboard with full support for the Penryn CPU and faster acces to the memory.
So that's why it tells me the index score is 5.1.

 

I wrote to Intel and here is their incredible piece of wisdom!!!!

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Thank you for contacting Intel(R) Customer Support.

I understand that you want to install a processor based on 45 nm Technology on a laptop system.

The available processors based on 45 nm are only for desktop systems, if you want to install one of these processors on a laptop system you will need to contact the laptop manufacturer for compatibility and integration information.

Please do not hesitate to contact us again if you need further assistance.

Sincerely,

Adolfo S.
Intel(R) Customer Support

 

As per the table here below, the PC2-6400 is definitely faster than PC2-5300.

 

correct but when the memory is installed in machine which has limitation to the memory clock say 667 faster memory like 800 will note go any faster.

So with a memory bus supporting 667MHz pc2-5300 and pc2-6400 are equal.

Told you already my older Compal IFL90 witht he same spec like yours is running with DDR2 P2-6400 memory and the performance index is giving the same result as yours 4.8.

With the new system the speed goes up so something is changed to give a faster memory transfer rate.

 

Ok.


I tried to verify download the lastest driver for my video card and this is what I got from nVidia web site. And I notice the "hot keys" words, and that reminded me the heat sensitive keys, I don't know if we are talking about the same keys but this show that Compal could modify the driver to increase the flexibility asigning different functionalities and even deactivate the keys.

However I still don't know if I have the latest driver.

 

With Hot Keys they mean the MSI notebook with the button to OC the notebook and this is what ASUS also got.
So this is an extra feature for the notebooks which can be set to OC by pressing one button.

 

that's why you can download the driver 167.59 form the windows update site or form the windows catalog website.

 

I do have 167.59, but I cannot download it from nVidia site because the reason already given. But I have not tried to download an update from the Windows site as you are suggesting.

Do you know which is the latest nVidia card driver for IFL90?

 

The latest with WHQL and stable with games and other apps is the 167.59
32/64Bits support.

You can download them from this location.
32Bits: http://catalog.update.microsoft.com...updateid=c3e2ae70-2015-4308-9d6d-5e04d47237e3
64Bits: http://catalog.update.microsoft.com...updateid=7f14bba9-871d-4136-a64d-806d0f895ebe

 

Hmmmm, I didn't came up with any driver to be unstable.
Now using 171.23.

 

Where did you get it?

 

http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/forum/index.php?showforum=66
Just download the latest driver, replace INF file and you're good to go (it’s possible to install and desktop and laptop series as well and in fact desktop series are more often to work better than the other ones). Remember to install new drivers only in the following way:
1) Remove the old one through the Add/Remove Programs deleting all drivers setting and profiles with it.
2) Restart
3) Install the new driver with replaced INF file using Have Disk method only.
4) Restart once again.

Starting 169.xx OC should be working 100% guarantee (at list with XP 32bit). Keep checking laptop2go for new beta drivers, most often new drivers fix known bugs and add some to performance. So it's nice to be up to date in both ways.

 

The driver version 167.59 is working fine with no crashing in games.
The OC is working for 100% and the nice part is this driver is WHQL.
But you can check the mentioned website by Dirt this is always offering the latest drivers for notebook.

 

It's also worth of modding an INF file a bit so that PowerMizer would work properly in battery mode.

;Powermizer settings
HKR,, PowerMizerDefault, %REG_DWORD%, 1
HKR,, PowerMizerEnable, %REG_DWORD%, 1
HKR,, PowerMizerLevel, %REG_DWORD%, 1
HKR,, PowerMizerLevelAC, %REG_DWORD%, 1
HKR,, PowerSaverHsyncOn, %REG_DWORD%, 1
HKR,, EnableCoreSlowdown, %REG_DWORD%, 1
HKR,, EnableMClkSlowdown, %REG_DWORD%, 1
HKR,, EnableNVClkSlowdown, %REG_DWORD%, 1

 

Could PowerMizer slow down the laptop?