TONGFANG GK5CN5Z / GK5CN6Z / GK5CQ7Z / GK5CP0Z

Hello guys !
Do you know the reseller LaptopParts4Less?

I had some concern about the nomenclature for the new TongFang units. I was looking at the GK7 units that LP4L were selling, but it seems a bit weird. The pascal ones are labelled GK7CN6S, and offer RTX upgrad options - but the GK7CP0S and GK7CP7S seem to be the exact same unit, and are available too. (But not at the same prices !)
Do you know if there is any functional difference between them?

 

Wow, that's not good. I've seen slow write on my benches with this ex950 sometimes too. Certainly not what I expected from these drives (ex950/sx8200 pro). Seems like the BPX Pro/Addlink S70 perform as expected.

What's up with these drives?

 

Makes me wonder if it's the laptop. The S70 uses the same controller though.

 

The speeds increase with an increase in capacity. The 1tb model is faster than my 512gb. Regardless, this is fast/cheap enough for my needs.

 

Good work dude, keep going !

Did a few tests, here are the things I noticed:
- There still is some little windows that come and go on top of the Windows bar (TrayIcon, FanManager...)
- The loading animation of the interface remains and stays in front of the interface once loaded for sometimes more than 1 minute
- After a reboot, the tray icon and fanmanager launch super fast, but I cannot load the interface by double-clicking the tray icon or right click and open. Have to run Rev.Center2.exe manually.
- Quiet+silent mode seems more quiet (but hard to compare because by the time I repasted with GC Extreme and won like 10°C when idle compared to the pumped out NT-H1 I had when I tested previous RevCenter version), but it seems to start fans when temp raise above 45°C which causes a lot of short starts and stops when browsing. Maybe a 65°C threshold (or maybe even an adjustble value ?) would be more confortable. This said, the static fan mode set at 0% is radical (until 85°C or something which is good)
- I sometimes experienced short duration max speed fans while loading the interface by double-clicking the tray icon.
- Interface crashes everytime I tweak the TS option in RevCenter, then open/restart TS, then try to reopen the setting window with the TS option but interface crashes. Have to run Rev.Center2.exe manually then.
- It doesn't seems to keep in memory keyboard led settings after a reboot. Straigly back to default rainbow at startup then blue backlight.
- I also experienced a crash of both TS and RevCenter interface at the same time without having tweaked the TS option before. Cannot reproduce.
- Window key seems laggy for opening Start Menu. More laggy than with Control Center or no Center at all. I remember it was also the case with first version.


By the way, for people windering, for sure I will soon update the mega thread (that you can find with working megaupload links at page 109, see link in my signature, poke @Zill ), but not in the incoming few days.

 

Actually tried my ex950 in three different laptops and only the Dell had slightly better results. The ex950 e uses the same controller as the sx8200 pro. The bpx pro uses the same controller as the addlink S70

 

You're right, the BPX Pro and Addlink S70 use a phison controller vs the Silicon Motion in the SX8200 pro and EX950.

My Lenovo is significantly faster with my SX8200 than my OP15 was.

X1E:


OP15:

 

Very interesting. I wonder if there is any way to fix this. You have the non-pro sx8200 right? Even so, the controller is still very similar. What could be causing this difference? Maybe there is a way to get this ex950 working at the correct speed.

 

Yes that's a non-pro SX8200. Sadly I don't have the laptop any more or I'd try to figure it out. I didn't notice it until I was looking at the benchmarks from it and my X1E.

 

Did you get rid of the OP 15+ for the X1 Extreme? and if so, what made you swap?

 

No I already had the X1E when I picked up the OP15. I kept the X1E because it has much better battery life and build quality. Plus it looks more professional. Other than that I really liked the OP15.

 

- which is why I don't mess with this laptop's cooling system, in any way, shape or form - heat sink / thermal paste / pads / pipes / screws - leave 'em be. Don't obsess over large intra-core temperature differentials. They just happen. I avoid all these issues like the plague.

 

What games are you playing?

 

For some reason, my installer gets jammed when it's already finished installing, had to use task manager to kill the installer since cancel will remove the install.
Edit: I crashed the Center by clicking the silent fan mode with my OP-17+.

 

Are there any tips or suggestions in this forum about performance tweaks to the GTX-1060 GPU in these laptops? (and I don't mean overclocking the GPU core, or the memory......none of that).

In the "Superposition" benchmark, my OP-OP2's GTX-1060 scored a disappointing 5,416 points (1920x1080, with the 2 main GFX settings set to "high")

 

Has anyone been able to make improvements to the spacebar? I'm thinking some squishy material might help it. Mine misses registering presses even when I audibly hear it click. When I remove the space bar and just press the button it works everytime. I thinks it's just the flimsy plastic space bar.

 

Can you do a screenshot? Because it shouldn't happen that :\

Yes I added fans at 10% when temp is 45° but I think I will set it at 50-55°. In the next version there will be an advanced fan manger, similar to the MSI afterburner one

 

Hello folks!

Just received my Recoil 2 (Tongfang 15). So am pretty pleased so far except the keyboard doesn't always register 2 very fast key strokes. This happens when I'm typing and I'm not a particularly fast typer but I can just imagine it being even worse in games of course..

This seems to happen with the "P" and "L" keys more often. Have you heard users having the same issue? I can see this being a real pain if it I don't find a fix, and I can't bear the thought of going through an RMA....

 

Alright, so there is another EC address for the 17+. In the next version I will fix this mode

 

See the last post on this page for the software - from Steberg.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/tongfang-gk5cn5z-and-tongfang-gk5cn6z.815943/page-101

 

Seems like my display is damaged, Anyone have an issue like this or know how to fix it? If i push on the bottom of the screen it fixes itself...

 

I would remove the bezel and find out if you could add pads behind the bezel or reconnect that cable.
I don't remember how to take out that bezel, might want to wait for someone else to confirm the correct way to get the bezel off. I'm pretty sure it's similar to Alienware's method of removing from the gap between screen and bezel. Since this is a thin bezel, tools you'll want is a plastic pry tool and some tape or a screen protector to prevent damage to the display itself.

 

Thanks for the help, hopefully someone can post how to remove it. I really don't want to have to send it in.

 

@Zill Many have commented on the issues with the keyboard, myself being one of them. It may be of some reassurance to you that after getting used to mine, it really hasn't been a problem to me. For gaming it is great, though yes it does still occasionally miss a keystroke but that is an acceptable tradeoff for me because overall the feel of the keys are superior to the average laptop. If it was my primary work/typing computer, I would take issue... but I'm also a keyboard snob!

 

Ok thanks, well at least if its not an isolated issue I guess I'll have to get used to it. I do like the feel of the keyboard overall.

But I keep getting into more issues with the machine, it now takes for ever to boot, doesnt recognise my sata ssd and I can't update the nvidia drivers...

This behaviour started since I used DDU to uninstall the drivers that were pre-installed to try and install the latest drivers....

I'm starting to pull my hair here... I just want it to work and get on testing games ffs..!

 

Check the properties on the setup file for the nvidia drivers. Mine was on Run in Compatibility mode for Win XP or something and kept giving me the error that I had an incorrect OS.... weird, but yeah, it fixed the problem lol

 

Let me theorize that you opened the laptop and because it has 18 screws, you decided you could do with a lot less. If that's the case, notice that if you are using a M.2 SATA, one of the 18 screws fixes the motherboard to the chassis, very close to the location where the M.2 SATA is inserted. If the screw isn't there, the SATA may randomly fail to be recognized, because the motherboard is moving.

 

Ok, I installed an nvme drive. I unscrewed the whole panel and installed the nvme drive. Put everything back together and it all worked great for a little while.

This is what happened, I had my mini display port cable attached to my g-sync monitor when I used DDU to uninstall the nvidia drivers in order to install latest, just after that it restarted and I was getting the super slow boots and lost my sata drive that was already in there.... went mad for 2 hours

Then turned it all off unpluged the mini display port, powered up and bam! its working again...

I still can't install the latest 418.81 but managed to re-install 417.49...

I might try the modded drivers from the the other thread on here but would like to get the latest driver installed...

Still struggling with the amount of double key stroke this keyboard is missing when I type, I don't know if il get used to it (se it just hapened 3 times in the last part of this sentence) ;(

 

Install the Overpowered Bios 1.05 and EC 1.35.09. And set the power adapter type to 180W. See page 109 of the thread.

 

Thanks but what if its not compatible with the new RTX cards? I might drop and email to PCSpecialist (my OEM) first. They allow for different bios and EC but I don't loose gpu compatibility...

Ok, I'm having the weirdest issue ive ever come across in laptop:

If my mini display port is plugged in to my monitor, it boot very slow and I loose my ssd sata drive...WTF?

 

Is it safe to run the Rev.Center alongside the comand center already installed with my Recoil 2?? They call it gaming center. Its not great I wish there was a way to use the Fan button next to the power button to turn Fan Boost on rather than cycling through "office mode" and "gaming mode"
Cheers!

Oh and btw, If my mini display port is plugged in to my monitor, it boots very slow and I loose my ssd sata drive...WTF? I can repeat this and it does it every time.... whats going on?

 

Rev center will force close Gaming center. Of course you can have both installed , but for preventing compatibility problems gaming center should be closed.

 

Yeah, I opened Rev center and it BSOD on me! I really like it, not sure why the fans went 100% on when I opened it the 1st time.

I hope you continue working on this piece of software its looking great and is overall much nicer to use then the gaming center... Thanks again for your work!

 

When using Aida stress test I'm capped at 3.4ghz as well, though none of the tests actually tells me I'm throttling. Increasing PP0 Current limit by how much though?

I don't remember quite honestly, as I reinstalled windows straight away, but even none of the Sound Blaster software recognises any compatible device. I'm running some Realtek driver that works but that's all.

That's an impressive score! I just got my 180w brick and I've been tweaking settings around but I'm nowhere your score. Can you specify what ThrottleStop settings are you using? Also, which BIOS do you have, mine is the Mechrevo 1.10 with the 1.23 EC.

 

Can you share with us your throttlestop configuration?

 

Is this compatible with the 1060 version?

 

Yes it is. I used that bios before switching to the op15's one

 

Any better than the 1.16 one? I'm looking for performance, battery life is secondary for me.

 

Post some screenshots of how you have ThrottleStop setup and show me a pic of the main ThrottleStop screen when you are being capped at 3.4 GHz. Have Limit Reasons open too while stress testing.

 

Things like this:

Rev.Center Bug by Blebleuh posted Feb 9, 2019 at 10:27 PM

I had the same in v1.0. When I double click on them, a completely white square/window appears.

Good, very good

I would agree with you, but once you did it one time (because of a strong sense of nerdy, risky and - ok, maybe stupid - challenges), it's hard to stop. I may still have good results with stock paste and pads, but the thing is that I wanted to play, and obviously I loose with the NT-H1. So it tried the Gelid GC Extreme to fix my mistake, and until now it definitely worth it. More than the 10°C delta, I get much better temps, and no thermal throttling at all (with pumped out NT-H1 the PROCHOT 95°C in TS was toggled quite easily in everyday tasks, and after only a few seconds during Cinebench).

I also get similar results (hit 1296 with real time priority set in the task manager, and around 1260 with normal priority) with following configuration:
BIOS 1.05 and EC 1.35.09 from OverPowered, Control Center 1.2.3.4 in equilibrium mode (silent or gaming fan profiles gives similar results because no thermal throttling even in silent mode, and 35W limitation bypassed by TS), TS with
-Speedshift at 84
-BD PROCHOT and C1E disabled (idk if it is usefull for CB score, but I heard several times that it can help when you work on real time audio and want to avoid latency/cracks)
- CPU Core : -249mV undervolt, IccMac at 245 (i dont think such a high value is necessary, maybe 150 or 200 are enough, I dont get what it represents, as 250A is unthinkable in this kind of machine)
- CPU cache: -150mV undervolt, IccMax set at 150 but once again i'm not sure of effectiveness of this value: does it have to be different than Core IccMax ? Maybe @unclewebb can clarify a little bit ?
- System Agent : -50mV undervolt (why not ? Seems stable)
- iGPU -50mV undevolt
- "Disable and Lock Turbo Power Limits" toggled
- Turbo Boost Long Power Max set at 65W with "clamp" toggled, and short power max set at 75W but I think these values can be optimized (see below)
- 56s Turbo Time Limit
- 128 PP0 Current Limit and 0.0010 PP0 Turbo Time Limit.

During CB running, I'm stuck at 39.00 multiplier, TS PKG power constantly reports a value between 68 and 72W. Almost no throttling at all : PL2 is almost never reached (i guess because 75W is too high for what the power adapter and/or computer can provide), the test is shorter than 56s so the proc dont limit itself to PL1, and sometimes an EDP OTHER happens but for a short amount of time.

 

As long as your CPU can run at the full 39.00 multiplier during the entire Cinebench run, your settings are OK.

You can crank the IccMax and PP0 Current Limit up sky high. A CPU is only going to draw as many amps as it needs to run. What this value represents is the maximum number of amps before throttling will begin. If you do not understand IccMax, while Cinebench is running, lower IccMax to 50 and see what happens in Limit Reasons and see what happens to the multiplier. You should see some immediate throttling. Increase it by 10 at a time and you should see the multiplier slowly increase until it is running stable at 39.00 again. After that point, you can go 200, 300, 400 and it is not going to make any difference. No throttling is no throttling.

That is the maximum multiplier for an 8750H when 6 cores are active. That is exactly where you want to be stuck. I have seen some Razer sreenshots where the same CPU is not running anywhere close to this speed.

 

Thanks for your answer, i'll give a try to different IccMax (core, cache...à and check impacts. And sorry for my poor english, I said "stuck at 39.00" but I meant "I hit the max value and stay at it, never goes down because of any kind of throttling"

 

On the CPU I had for testing purposes, the ThrottleStop Cache IccMax adjustment did not seem necessary. Setting this high or low did not make any difference. The 8750H might be different so I left that adjustment in ThrottleStop just in case. The Core IccMax slider seems to be the most important one.

That is what I like to hear. Stuck at full speed is wonderful.

 

I will be receiving a 230w PSU soon but still can't get my hands on OEMsev to take advantage of it. The link to the utility is password protected. Any ideas?

 

No it's not on the "updated" megapost p109 (see link in my signature). I say ""updated"" because it still lack some of the last infos (I will work on it in the incoming days), but the OEMsev link has been fixed a while ago. Here is it (copypasted from p109)

 

Did a little research into motherboard differences between old 15 and old 17 and it seems to be only name and where the motherboard is located, I wonder if the motherboard parts numbers of the new 15 and new 17 perfectly match.

 

https://www.eluktronics.com/mech-15-g2r-mech-17-g1r-2070-drivers/
Both use the same (Edit: it's just drivers bios might vary), only different GPU drivers by RTX model only, RTX 2070 and the cut down version use the same driver. If Eluktronics could upload their BIOSes, we might have a way to upgrade that max-q to a full power.

 

If anyone want to try overclocking your monitor, this guide is really helpful http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ur-laptop-monitor-intel-intel-optimus.802167/
There is one result from the laptops tested that use similar panels to the models that the manufacturer installed on to GK5C laptops.
"Success: Gigabyte aero 15x v8 (15.6", 1080p, coffee lake) AUO82ED 144Hz -> 156Hz [custom timings]"

 

Can you upload the screen on imgur? Notebookreview says I haven't permission to see that image

 

Forgive my ignorance, but would the extra 12hz really make much difference?