Razer Blade Pro 17" (1080 GPU/late 2016) Owner's Lounge

If anyone says interested; will sell my blade pro 2016 at lower than retail price. You'll save on tax and lower than MSRP

 

Upgrading to the HK version?

 

yep, I'm a photographer/ videographer so then processor alone will help me tons. It's not entirely too bad now though. Kind of mad they refreshed so quickly. Should've just done 6820hk in the first model

 

This machine was off my list before the CPU upgrade, now it's near the top.

Does anyone know if the Thunderbolt port is full bandwidth?

How has reliability been on the current model?

 

Wait for reviews - there's not telling what the thermal and clockspeed performance will be like - the 7820HK could be heat-limited to low clocks, power limited or it could be fine - no way to tell without reviews.

 

> no way to tell without reviews

Absolutely! But I was hoping to get a sense of how happy people are with the current model to help me figure out how impatiently I am waiting for those reviews.

For example when I study Alienware, I see enough unhappy posts to make me uncomfortable... lots of people needing service for BL bleed for example. Razer Blade Pros seem to have more happy users, but it's hard to be sure of anything when forum noise is your data!

 

NoteBookCheck and GamingLaptopJunky as well as Team LHz are really good sources for objective laptop reviews.

 

The last 2 were new to me, thanks a bunch!

 

I have owned mine since December and it has been rock solid and is easily the most enjoyable 17 inch laptop that I have ever owned and I have owned Alienware, Origin and Razer laptops for gaming. I really enjoy using it for gaming and office work too!

 

Yep I enjoy mine a lot as well. Use it almost everyday. But I need more processor speed for the work I do. Hopefully someone buys mine so I can upgrade . 3550$ shipped to anyone in the US! Quickpay; or PayPal if you cover fees

 

How close is the blade pro now to 17 R4's with the new vBIOS? ;D

 

I'm very happy
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/liquid-metal-3-months-on.803331/
And show me a RBP with a GTX 1080 Firestrike Graphics score of 24527...

 

Compared to the 2016 model I would expect to see about a 25% increase in CPU processing power with the 7820HK over the 6700HQ. From a gamer's perspective it should be near identical performance to the 2016 model but for those with more CPU intensive tasks it will be a decent improvement.

 

Anyone seen this benchmark with the Razer Blade Pro 7820HK + GTX 1080 http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11920094?

 

What the ...

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but - that's not any better than before?

 

I hoped it would be, since supposedly there have beeing vBIOS updates? and now the CPU bump?

 

Yeah, looks like it's from early march so who knows. I would expect it to be released soon!

 

Lol that's an absolute joke! How are Razer getting say with this!

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At $4K starting price, $1000+ more than comparable spec laptops, for 15%-30% less performance, damn, that premium even makes MacBook fans cringe.

 

Yup as my RBP scored 13319!

 

The 7820hk Physics score in FS is even worse vs. older fully locked down Skylake 6700hq What a Progress

 

Something might be funky with the benchmark run.

 

Or fully processor throttling down to Base Frequency Aka too much for the cooling.

 

Boost frequency is listed at 2.9GHz - which is around 6700HQ boost frequency.

 

[email protected] 4 cores. And 2.9GHz is Processor Base Frequency for 7820hk

 

I meant that 3DM run listed the RBP's 7820HK as boosting to 2.9 - which would imply throttling.

 

UGLY behavior no matter how you twist it

 

I have so much fun reading your guys complaints about the RBP. I have thought about selling mine many times but it just so darn pleasurable to use/play on that I do not want to part with it. So no matter your criticisms it is a great computer and a blast to own, despite's what your test results say. Truly you guys are hilarious.

 

Very well could be... Ouch. I mean if a 1080 gets owned by a 1070, one would have to do some major psychological mind tricks to feel comfortable about this reality. It's just sad.

Who would have thought eh? I thought Apple held the throne for this... Guess not.

::iunlock::

 

Agreed, let's see if the new RBP can also pull this vs a laptop that cost me way under 2K.

24525 at 4.7GHz.

Just getting started.



::iunlock::

 

Consider the size of the RBP vs the AW 17R4 though. Some of us will sacrifice some performance for a thinner laptop.

 

True. And their somewhat admirable attempt at including a 4k gsync, proprietary tactile keyboard, thermal chamber, all in such a relatively thin chassis. The issue is that apart from their seemingly exclusive second to none superb 4k screen, the keyboard is polarizing and nowhere near top of its class, the thermal chamber is a dud given its absolute inadequate cooling functionality, and all that for ridiculous meaningless markups and like what?.. a probable min 10+ fps loss irl gaming? not to mention the inevitable stuttering due to throttling - it's a very lucky thing this machine has gsync or I suspect the often used "buttery smooth" misnomer wouldnt have been quite so aptly used in many reviews of the rbp

But what really grates me the most is their leadership and the ceo's naked attempt at schoolgirl like breathless hype inducing mania in the vacuum of Steve Jobs's showmanship. I dont blame anyone for trying to try to take a few pointers from a great salesman, but it's painfully obvious the ceo is aping Steve Jobs even in product reveals minus any of Steve Jobs' charming arrogance... and they dared to taunt them w that pathetic "S my D" tweet? More like go **** yourselves... Their greatest crime is whilst attempting to mimic every cool aspect of Apple's persona, their flagship halo product is a breathtaking mindless pound for pound copy of the mbp in all but inside components... for a company that loves to mock others for their lack of innovation, it is ironic that the rbp just reflects a stunning lack of aesthetic vision and careful consideration that Apple products are so well known for. Worse, they completely missed the whole ****ing point - at its best, the final shape of Apple's products comes from a very deliberate and thoughtful process of industrial design with the right touch of Job's vision. All of which comes from smth razer lacks the most - culture. And no, I dont mean gaming culture, but rather having an appreciation for other fields of design like architecture, art, music, and in some said cases, calligraphy... all these attributes were reflections of the interests and knowledge of the man himself and his industrial designer, both of which possessed in spades, and that the ceo of razer seemingly has made painfully aware he has none of. All the rbp is in the end is an empty pretty shell... if pretty at all...

I have never considered a gaming laptop until now simply because of the industry's lack of design prowess (and no i dont only mean design in the aesthetic sense in case I wasnt clear enough) and their shameless courting of the rgb crowd, until recently Alienware made at least an attempt at a pretty significant redesign of their lineup. There are always other ways to come up with a product that purpose driven, and where function dictates design without resulting in an Apple copy... the great architects of the 20s-40s all proved it, heck, there has never been a greater plurality for architectural philosophies. Even the field of fashion, so often accused of recycling vintage mode with a modern twist for the masses, has its share of very fresh and innovative collections of such utter beauty from time to time. Or if I were to use an example that most gamers are more comfortable with, then even car designers, also accused of interchangeably coming up with generic sedans, are capable of the occasional breakthrough. Case in point, the aston martin nebula. It's like if a boutique carmaker tried to ape pagani, but ended up with a hennessy venom.

 

So how long have you owned your RBP? You must have had one for months now to make such a comprehensive critically prepared review of one. Did you post your unboxing and tests on YouTube?

 

There is validity to that, however, when it comes to sacrificing a whole lot with the performance being below a GTX 1070 on the RBP, it's hard to grasp paying $2K more for a system that isn't that much smaller (in general) than the AW 17R4.

Here are the dimensions:

AW 17R4 vs RBP

Height:
1.18 inches (29.9mm) vs 0.88 inches (22.5mm)

Width:
16.7 inches (424mm) vs 16.7 inches (424mm)

Depth:
13.1 inches (332mm) vs 11 inches (281mm)

Avg. Weight:
9.74lbs (4.42 kg) vs 7.69 lbs (3.49 kg)

As you can see the width (IMO is what defines the foot print the most) is the same so the overall real estate is virtually the same.

I like the design of the RBP (although a MBP rip, but I like and drive a MBPr daily) and would like to see this work out, but there is a tall hill for Razer to climb to gain any respect in the performance category. After all, it is a gaming laptop or what they've even called it a desktop replacement? It should be able to at the least perform above the average in the segment that it is in.

What shoots it down for the RBP is the price to performance ratio. It is just as worse as Apple and in a lot of ways worse. This is what totally kills it for the previous RBP...6700HQ for $4K is a very big insult to us, the consumers.

I wonder if they will unfluff the bios and allow the RBP with the 7820HK shine, but then comes the question, can the cooling system even handle the over clocks? I'm very curious to find out myself... I have a feeling not, but that has yet to be determined. If I had to bet on it, I wouldn't put any more money in the pot from knowing how the cooling systems perform in the MSI, ASUS, CLEVO and AW.

It has everything going for it except the performance and price to performance ratio. The build quality, design (Apple rip, but a nice rip) and concept is very premium, but even for those that can dish out $4K, the 6700HQ is like buying a Ferrari with a Prius engine. Ain't gonna happen haha... But, even with a V8 engine, if the ecu is crippled and capped with estrogen, then that is just as worse.

We'll know soon enough....

 

Right on...very well said and how ironic, as you were writing this, I was also writing my post lol..

Spot on about the Razer being a total Apple rip....pathetic, but it is what it is...

It's just important that people recognize this and not front like Razer is innovative with their design...ROFL. NOPE. Just total copy cats.

You're right about AW/Dell, although it isn't unibody, at least it's something new and uniform without having that goofy fat to skinny taper design like other ODM's. That's just my opinion, but when it comes to design and engineering, there is no comparison with the chassis with some of the main ODM's.

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ugh youtube... am I supposed to appeal to the lowest common denominator? It's a fair point you make, tho it's a constant moving line... what? Am I supposed to have won a championship ring to have the right to criticize a team? Am I to own a beautiful daybed for me to comment on its quality or the designer's vision? I could go on and on, and in your case so could you. Tho the larger point of my post is that if you want to so demonstrably shamelessly copy Steve Jobs and Ive's approach to product design, you better be able to imbue some of their most important qualities that inform their design processes as opposed to a superficial lemme lemme have that unibody too stance and ****ting on the very company razer's ceo seems so intent on being.

But to your original question, i dont own one but i have handled a razer blade. they are well built for sure... in the same sense that zara is a well made copy of whatever the ****ing trendforecasters dictate what works from a designer brand.

 

RBP is so prob so expensive b/c it sells at a lower volume compare to other brands. In some ways, you can view it as a limited collection.

If the price doesn't matter, you can just buy both and use whichever one you feel like for the moment.

Just out of curiosity, since Nvidia will release MacOS drivers for pascal GPU, anyone thinking about hakintosh on the RBP ( I am aware of the challenges, doesn't hurt to try)?

 

No real point? Under MacOS - nothing can even come close to MBP 15's screen, touchpad and customer support, ESPECIALLY Razer.

 

Version 381.65 Nvidia gtx driver has fixed brightness control, just in time for the 2017 RBP.

Win10 64-bit - http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/117271

 

Without justifing the price tag - but exactly those dimensions might make the difference in regard to performance as the cooling solution has to fit into such small a chassis.

For me the alienware Notebooks allways have been a "no go" due to their "alien" design. They are getting better lately but as I am looking for something decent and not to bulky on the go I am stuck with the 15" Clevo...

Best reagards

phila

 

The cooling system in the new 17R4 destroys what is in the RBP. Have you seen my reviews, benches and temps?

 

So if you had a choice between the RBP (2016 version) or the Alienware 13 r3 Oled Kaby Lake, which would you chose?

 

AW13 easy

 

Damnnn you must really hate Razer? If price was same on RBP and AW13r3 I can't imagine choosing the AW13 and I own one and love it but I have owned several Razers and enjoyed them all also and looking forward to the new RBP.

 

"So if you had a choice between the RBP (2016 version) or the Alienware 13 r3 Oled Kaby Lake, which would you chose?"

Nobody said anything about price being the same - and even then, the throttled RBP is just not something I want, especially with Razer's abysmal support.

 

well I bought both so my opinion really don't matter. I have not got my hands on the RBP yet but I have no regrets dropping nearly 5k if its something that brings me enjoyment.

But I also love my AW13, end of the day if you like your system, enjoy it and have fun.

 

The RBP is so overpriced it does not even deserve, let alone fair, to be compared to the price of an AW13.

That is giving a lot of unreasonable benefit of the doubt to RBP in a scenario that wouldn't even exist in the practical world, but even in a perfect price scenario, the performance alone that is a big factor in itself to begin with smacks down on 'reality' very hard for the 6700HQ RBP being a fail IMO.

The RBP and AW13 are two completely different systems in two completely different weight classes.

 

From a cost perspective there are no sub $3000 machines on the market with a 1080, for $3699 the RBP 2016 was about middle of the road for pricing. In November I bought an Alienware 17r4 GTX 1080 and it cost $3600, once it failed to keep cool I replaced it with a few more RMA's and eventually gave up on Dell. I then spent the extra $99 to go with the Razer Blade Pro and have never had a single problem with cooling or customer service, in my personal experience Razer support has been far better than Dell.

For the RBP 2017 I would expect availability before May and the 512gb model will likely start at $3999, this is about a $300 premium for the 7820 vs 6700.

 

My RBP 2016 averages under 70c while gaming with absolutely no thermal throttling, even at 4k and 100fps. Without undervolting it would never go above 80c while gaming.