Razer Edge and Edge Pro Owner's Lounge

It comes down to what you want to carry around. With the Edge, you get something portable but not as powerful as a full gaming laptop. A ROG/MSI laptop would have more ports and a higher resolution display at the expense of weight.

 

I feel the same way. The world just wasn't ready for the Edge. Maybe they'll try again in a few years when battery technology is even better.

 

This may sound stupid but I'm glad there is no new edge because that means I still have the best gaming tablet! I hate refreshes that only give a 10-15% boost in performance but at the same time make me greedy for the best and newest !! Lol. No gaming laptop has good battery life. Ive own msi ones and alienware 17 and 18 inch ones so most gamers know ahead of time that they should stay close to a power outlet. Its just annoying when the edge looses points because of that. I mean it charges pretty fast so that kind of makes up.I guess next gen Intel chips might have been good if they added a few hours of battery life during casual use.

 

Well tablets are traditionally meant to be a lot more portable then Laptops. Normally its easy to plug a tablet in mid day if you have to, since most use USB or common charging cables. With the Razer you had to charge at least twice a day, if you used it as an actual PC, which with the hardware you would be likely to. The thing is that Haswell would have been such a simple upgrade to make, would have added 2/3 hours of average use life and maybe an extra hour of gaming. The tablet just came when promises of Haswell battery life was on the horizon. A lot of devices were avoided besides the Razer just to wait for Haswell.

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Hey guys, a new Razer Edge Pro (128Gb) owner here!
I finally found a way to manage the cost of the Edge Pro + Controller into my budget.. And i have been waiting for years for this thing! Anywho, i've been reading the entire thread and have not seen anyone mention any sort of overclocking or performance enhancements. As far as i have seen i've been the only person to overclock the Edge Pro so here is some results... Let me say with just the Turbo Clock at the maximum (for now) of +135 I've seen a MASSSIVE performacnce boost.

Results 3DMARK11:
Stock Clocks, 640m LE @ 500mhz (P1603)
NVIDIA GeForce GT 640M LE video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3517U Processor,Razer Razer Edge
Overclocked, 640m LE @ 635Mhz (P1904)
NVIDIA GeForce GT 640M LE video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3517U Processor,Razer Razer Edge

After some calculations, the 135Mhz overclock nets a 18.64% performance boost. That means you net about 0.14% performance increse per single Mhz O.O!!! It appears that the drivers (Maybe Vbios) is limiting the OC to the 135Mhz. So i will be trying to find a work around... Otherwise i will be researching if the Vbios is seperate from the Bios. If it is, then we should have no problem hitting around ~1Ghz on the core... I would guess that would net ~56% performance boost!!!

If anyone wants, i will be doing a Repaste (Have extra AS5 laying around + Boredom).
So, if you guys would like to see some pics of the thermal paste upgrade (Which i think will lower fans from spinning at idle) let me know i will post before/after pics.

 

Sure! I'd love to see some pics of the pasting job. I haven't tried over clocking my Edge yet but it is something I want to do in the future. Did you get those numbers with the Edge in the Gamepad and did you monitor the temperature during the benchmark?

 

Yep! The Edge was in the Controller the entire time. Running off Battery power might i add also.
I just ran the extreme preset in 3DM11 in window'd mode so i could monitor temps. The GPU temp max was only 60-61c (LOL)..
While its mildly cold inside my home (about 60f) that is still like extrememly low temp wise, if you guys do some research on the GK107 that the 640m LE is, you learn it's the same identicle GPU as the 640m, and the 650m just with lower clocks. I'm extremely confident 1Ghz is achievable without any kind of voltage tweaks. (650m's reach 1350Mhz with overvolt)

Believe it or not, i was just messing around with the settings and somehow raised the clock all the way up to 705Mhz from what i though was the max clock @ 635Mhz. Im still trying to figure out what i did, so give me some time.

 

I'll give this one more shot before I suck it up and spend 400$ on ebay for one. Anyone on these forums have a docking station (not the one with the keyboard) they don't use anymore? Used is fine, cosmetic damage isn't a problem, just need it to work. I'll throw 250$ your way, toss in an extra power cord and I'll bump it up to 300.


I'm loving this overclock discussion by the way! Granted, the games I play, I have very little problem running high 30s fps at max settings which is sufficient for what I'm into at the moment, although it might be a problem if I get into titanfall competitively. I'm surprised how cool that was running overclocked. Mine runs around those temps stock.

 

Sorry i don't have any of them, but it seems that the overclock basically has a barely neglible in terms of thermals at stock vs OC. I mean if you count like 1-2c, you have a better chance of raising the temps by breathing on it rather then the overclock itself.

Also, unless i can find a way; someone was talking about the 310.xx nvidia drivers having an exploit in which you can OC past the +135Mhz. (I'll be trying that later today) It looks like we will require a Bios mod to the Edge Pro. The Vbios cannot be dumped becasue it must be part of the actual system bios (Alot like the w110er etc). I will continue to look for a solution. Post here if you have any other questions.

Lastly, anyone else that has the Controller:
Have you guys ever had any issues with like extreme sensitivity? Its seems like any FPS games are like very difficult to get an acurate shot with the right stick, it's like as soon as i move the stick out a ways aim is like ultra fast (if that makes sense). I will be trying to find a fix since there is quite a bit of software that will allow me to modify the sensitivity, but i was just wondering if anyone had a similar experince.

 

I've definitely noticed certain games in particular feel like you're swinging wildly about while you're trying to aim lol. Of course you can only adjust the sensitivity settings so much but enabling/disabling V-sync helped for a few titles in particular.

 

Thanks for the reply, im experienceing exactly what you are explaining.. So it seems like it's indeed something with the Controller itself.
Racing games, and most games that don't require precise aiming are fine. I was debating upon configuring all the keys via Joy2Key, so instead of configuring all games individually i can just bind them to KB/Mouse keys.. The main reason i want this though is so i can have a escape key if a game gets locked up and the windows key refuses to do anything.

The game in particular is L4D2, not a chance in hell is that game playable with the controller so far. Basically spin completely around when trying to aim slightly lol.

UPDATE: Overclocking seems to be stalled at the +135 for now, Memory is unlocked to the max but you can only gain minimal performance from that. Already tried the 310.70 driver, which wont install since the 640m LE isnt supported. Same with the WHQL 320.18 which was the last driver that can be exploited past the +135. Lastly, using P state 2 wont work becasue the 640m LE only shows P8 and P0 (doesnt have P2)?.

If anyone has anthing else to try, im open for your opinions!

 

I was thinking about getting Crysis 3...Warhammer Space Marine was a lot of fun on my edge.

 

I probably came off wrong, I was trying to imply that I believe certain titles in particular have that "wobbly" aim feeling, seemed like a game-by-game issue and not necessarily the controller.

I see what you mean about having a way to back out of everything if you run into some kind of freezing error ---- you know about how you can hit the home button + power button on the Edge to go into task manager? That's what I've been using in those scenarios

 

*Facedesk* I cannot believe that i didn't figure that out... That Task manager hotkey combo is awesome, thank you.
Although, i think i'm still going to use Joy2Key because those two top shoulder buttons have basically no use. Might bind them to a mic key, and a team switch key or whatever idk yet. Seems like a waste not using them lol.

I think i need to upgrade the SSD though, i only have 5.6Gb left of space :L

 

And the moment you have all been waiting for!
I went ahead and replaced the the Thermal paste on the CPU/GPU with some of the Thermalrite CFIII paste I had.
Overall a pretty simple procedure, simply remove the two screws on the bottom of the machine in the attachment posts (These are like micro sized Allen key screws, took me a hour to find a key small enough). My main goal was not to lower the load temps (they are pretty low anyways) but instead keep the idle temps as low as i could maintain them for when im just surfing or what not. In the end it kept the fans from going into the active stage as often, and prolonged the battery life without the need for the fan to power up. I would consider it a great success!

I took some photos so you guys could see the layout of the board and the system internals. For those of you wondering about the second ram module it would be pretty easy, since the motherboard is in what appears to be a cradle. So the screen is actually seperated by this plastic piece on the other side. You could probably just simply unscrew the motherboard without having to completely tear it down.

In addition too the two screws, i needed to undo the ribbon cable for the led logo and took the controller board off as you can see in one of the pictures. The heatsink for what appears to be the south bridge is underneath it, so to remove the heatsink (which is one big piece) you need to take it off. It's only one screw so no big deal. Lastly, the fan is actually thermal taped to the heatsink air exchanger so it's a very efficient cooling system. As you can see, the left ran grill (if holding device) is actually not a fan but a air intake and the right is the exhaust. Which leads me to think that adding some of them low profile RAM heatsinks could be thermal glued to the massive copper plates pretty easily. (Future project?)

Anyways, if you read all that so far, congrats... Here are the pictures I promised

 

Still selling one sealed for $400 if interested.

 

Hi Guys,

I am from Bulgaria and I will try to buy this awesome tablet from USA. I have some questions about Rezer Edge Pro's display , i have read different reviews in internet and some of them show that sometime there are some problems with display sensitivity and accuracy. Is it true ? I didn't understand how much is display multi touch ( 5 points multi touch or 10 points multi touch )?

I didn't find Razer Edge docking station too , but i think that EVGA UV Plus+ | Model: UV39 is a good solution for connecting my TV with Razer edge pro .

 

Hello Nikolas!

The thing about the majority of reviews from these people that have made videos on the tablet is that they all seem to have a bias towards it. It's like they cannot accept the fact that it is a piece of engineering ingenuity so they bash it for the price. Although, from my personal experience the Razer Edges 5 finger display is one of the most accurate and fluid experiences i've ever had the opportunity of having with a touch screen computer.

Hope i helped

 

Thanks a lot " republicofsam ", that information helped me a lot .

 

I use Msi afterburner and get about a 23percent boost , core @635 mem@1080. My temps are a bit high around 86degrees but I'm not bothered by that. What program to you use to oc your tablet? I'm using as5 too btw. How does your oc effect battery life?

 

Thanks for the reply ajssuperman!

Great overclock! I haven't tried MSI afterburner on the Edge yet, instead i used Nvidia Inspector. The reason was from the start i had read about how you could change the Pstates to allow you to change the BCLK on the GPU, but apparently it wont allow you to choose or "force" one on it for some reason, it must be the vbios that is limiting it. Anywho, i will try MSI afterburner and use the "-xcl" command on the end of the Target string in the afterburner short cut because i had heard that it will allow you to bypass the limit on some cards. So cross your fingers...

Also, battery life is pretty much the same, maybe like a 5-10% cut in battery life, but of course that can easily be restored by slightly lowering the brightness or even just allowing Nvidia control panel to switch between the HD4000 IGP and the 640m LE depending on use. Not really something i would worry about because the gain is MUCH more substantial than that little of a decrease in battery life IMO.

EDIT*
I found that people had been somehow forcing the CPU to run at the boost clock on both cores? If you look on HWBOT some people have both cores running at the full 2.8Ghz by forcing the boost state using ThrottleStop. I will also attempt this and see if that is indeed true, if it is; a significant performance boost would be seen. I will try that and report back!

 

Let me know how the CPU boost goes! I was wondering if that was possible. Your right about the performance outweighing the small decrease in battery life. From what I understand the 640 is basically an under clocked 650m so it should be stable at higher speeds. Maybe removing the back panel would help when connecting it to the controller . I love this tablet I recently got a note 12.2 and other than the amazing 2560*1600 display it seemed very restrictive to use android again after spending the last 11 months with the edge.

 

After spending the last 48 hours pouring my brain out trying to find a way to modify the clock speeds of the 640m LE my effort has finally paid off!

Without further ado, the Razer Edge Pro 640m LE OC'd to 825Mhz+135Mhz (960Mhz):
NVIDIA GeForce GT 640M LE video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3517U Processor,Razer Razer Edge
Making this the highest score EVER preformed on a tablet!!!
Ending up with a total 34.16% performance boost over stock!!!
I managed P2230 last night, but it was not stable after multiple runs. The current clock listed below was tested with about 8 3dmark runs, 4 hours of GTA IV, and some Skyrim.

Overclocking beyond what i have posted above is an absolute no-go until we get a vbios mod for more voltage. I will be experimenting with the method i used to OC some more before i post anything about how i performed this (Its a pain in the butt). I will keep updating the thread until i feel that the method is documented enough to actually be practically used and posted here.

Also, using throttle stop does indeed allow you to use the turbo boost upto 2.8Ghz on both cores, but it shows no performance improvement over the stock settings.. I believe that it overclocks under load automatically if the load is demanding enough.

 

Dam that's a pretty awesome OC!

 

If anyone would like to try the clock setting i have posted above on your tablet here is the flags you need to put in the "Target" box in the shortcut for Nvidia inspector. (Create a shortcut to the .exe, right click the shortcut and go to properties then add this to the end of your "xx/xxx/xx/xx.exe"

Which should look like this if you have the program in the same directory as me:

After you put that at the end, click the apply button and double click the shortcut.

This is not the way i performed the overclock originally, but i would like to see if anyone can get this to work without going through all the hoops i had to jump through. Of course this is completely experimental, and you should practice caution using this. I am no liable for what you run on your machine.

 

The CPU is always at 2.8 GHz in the 2 cores in high performance, Throttle Stop is not necessary.It happens on battery or with the power cord plugged.
This is what makes this system even more amazing, it never throttles even with 80+ ºc.

 

Nice OC'ing guys!
Do the fans get much louder when gaming with OC? Are they loud under full load?

 

Can you throw in an extra power cable?

 

Honestly, not really. I mean the load temps with or without the OC are basically within ~2-3c of each other so it basically follows the same fan profile!
As far as i've seen other than a slight loss in battery life there is no real disadvantage to not OC this beast

 

Sorry, sold the dock yesterday for $500.

 

Awesome. Anyone have luck with replicating this?

Ill probably give it a go after I upgrade my wireless card. Anyone have a good card suggestion? The stock card is driving me batty.

 

Gamepads are in stock on Amazon right now. Hopefully some docks will pop up too!

 

Has there been any word on a refresh to the razer edge pro? I've been wanting to get a tablet for productivity uses that could also do some light gaming. I could use integrated graphics on a surface pro 2, but I'm looking for something with more muscle than CPU integrated graphics. But, the 640M is showing its age....

So, any idea bout a refresh?

 

I'd like to find this out too. I've been interested in one, and checking today on Razer Store, its not even available (not sold out, just not available) under "systems" in the razer store. Normally I could see it under systems and there would be a "buy" button and a "notify me" tab even if it was sold out.

 

They are waiting until I buy one soon and then announce the refresh.

 

Thats exactly what i`m thinking. When i give in, a month after they will launch it

 

min hinted today at a new razer product, looks like a laptop keyboard, so guessing its a blade, not an edge refresh. the blade is just selling better than the edge at this point so this makes sense. I still love my edge pro, but did drop the money for an Aorus X7. Will play with the Aorus for a few days at least, and will maybe keep it if the Blade doesn't wow me. At this point, two 765m cards are probably gonna impress me more than an 86xm card... Unless it has a gorgeous IPS display or something to boot. We shall see.

Back on the overclocking thing. Anybody find a way to push the Core clock past 135MHZ? The old driver (320,18) that lets you go above that is incomatible, at least with my windows 8.1...


EDIT: look at his facebook or twitter page, looking again it looks more like a full size keyboard, mechanical or something. Maybe just a new accessory?

 

Based on the pic, my guess is that it will be some sort of new mechanical keyboard. He hinted at some kind of steambox controller a while back so it might be a keyboard geared towards the living room experience.

 

the hint is "its whats on the inside that counts." so inside? Better mechanics? A processor for maco customization? customized lighting? who knows.

 

yes, the 135mhz overclock will increase your performance quite a bit. went from around 1600 in 3dmark11 to almost 2000. but have known this for some time... i still think the core clock could be pushed to 200mhz but as i said, the old 320.18 driver doesn't work with my edge pro. anybody who hasn't upgraded to 8.1 wanna try the old driver and see if it works? i'm too lazy to restore my edge back to 8.

 

Assuming that I cannot buy the keyboard dock what is the current best sleeve/stand/keyboard/ mouse for home and traveling?

 

Any padded tablet sleeve from Amazon should do. I have an old HP touchpad sleeve and it fits the Edge just fine. The best keyboard IMO is the Logitech K810 because it's backlit, rechargeable, and can easily pair between 3 devices. As for a mouse, I have an Razer Orochi to use when I travel. It's convenient since it's bluetooth but I personally like bigger mice. At home, I have a G602 and an Ouroboros and I like those because they fit my hand better. The only downside to those would be that they would use your only USB port.

 

Any one selling the keyboard dock? could never get one from razers website.

 

Just keep checking the Razer site. The page is still up which is a good sign when you consider that the gamepad and dock pages have been taken down. The only other option is to get one on eBay but that would easily be over $500.

 

Thanks. i alerady have a Logitech M555b for travel, so will i be able to use two Bluetooth devices at same time? What about a stand? Is this worth considering:
Amazon.com : Bluetooth 3.0 Keyboard Folio Case Cover for Razer Edge / Razer Edge Pro 10.1' Gaming Tablet, ( Keyboard Included, Screen Protector Included ) : Touch Screen Tablet Computer Cases : Computers & Accessories I did read anything favorabel on it.

 

Two bluetooth devices will work with no problems. I routinely use my bluetooth keyboard and mouse without issues. Before I got my dock, I used this stand:

http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-...8&qid=1394199803&sr=8-4&keywords=Tablet+stand

I like it because it's universal and can be adjusted to fit pretty much anything. I haven't used that keyboard folio before but I'm sure someone earlier in this thread bought one. I also think he posted some impressions but I honestly can't remember if he said it was worth it. Either way, it may be your best bet if the keyboard docks don't come back in stock.

 

The keyboard folio is cheaper and likely less heavy than the stand keyboard and cases. Although I would rather use the keyboard dock I will think about what to buy temporarily.

 

Amazon.com: Cooler Master Wave Stand - Adjustable Aluminum Stand for Apple iPad Air, iPad mini, iPad mini with Retina Display, and Android Tablets (Silver): Computers & Accessories

Try this stand, the thing I like about it is that I can put the razor with the controller attached. That's useful when you have a spare battery. Its a solid stand I think.

I agree the k810 is the best keyboard. I use a HP x4000 Bluetooth mouse since it was $13 and works great I've had it for about 5 months and have yet to change the AA batteries it came with.