Razer blade 15 2021 Rtx 3000

This is like my experience, I wanted a one laptop solution and I think I’ve been spoilt by MacBooks. The Razer I think overall is a very good product, if it had a bit more battery life where I could comfortably work a day off a charger it would have been great.

By the way I didn’t find it a two step solution for g-sync, for me it remembers 240hz on dGPU mode, I did encounter bugs on the auto switching though where it just doesn’t switch sometimes - so I ended up just manually switching between the modes using Nvidia container.

The keyboard did take some getting used to and I agree with your assessment overall. I found the bottom deck of the keyboard often got hot enough that my palms sweated.

I think I’ll be returning it and waiting for the M1x MacBooks or might be tempted to revisit windows laptops after tiger lake - let’s see.

 

You've come to the same conclusion as I and probably did so a lot sooner. It took me a good 18 months to realize that there was no "one laptop solution" that would satisfy all my wants and needs. My current Dell XPS 17 gets the closest, and I am eager to see what the 11th-gen refresh has to offer. I'm hoping they manage to squeeze an RTX 3060 into the 15-inch model.

 

The games I play aren’t too demanding and it is playable on low quality on my m1, here is hoping on the M1x the gaming performance is good enough that it can be a single solution machine. I won’t be getting 144hz 4K sure but I personally found I’m quite happy with a stable 60fps at native resolution on high quality (not an FPS gamer).

 

M1 Chips are great but their ecosystem only for those who really use OSX for some who use windows it’s crap, bottlenecked by software, anti nvidia that made me returned mbp13 2019 for stealth back in 2019, never regretted at all. Don’t get me wrong I like Macbook, the design, support and build quality, and I’m still using 2012 model without any slowdown I feel on my Mac usage. But gaming they still have to do tons work, Apple game store...what’s called forgot, dead to me not offering a good gaming apps, OSX supported games, what tomb Raider from which year were that, literally a joke to me. If I bought m1 maybe I’ll use only for media consumption, browsing and for gaming GeForce now which my 2019 iPad Pro still can do that very well.
As for m1 chip they’re good on power efficiency and multicore performance but on gaming I find 1165g7 intel xe still ahead.
From this guy review amd and m1 laptops comparison I compared with intel Xe on same setting. Only on shadow of tomb Raider m1 can catch same FPS.
Edit: as a bonus, here 1165g7 pairing with 3070, smokes both amd and m1 including most 3000 series laptops gpu performance
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/25190060
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/19122539

 

I’m ok with either OS so the ecosystem doesn’t bother me. There are a lot more games on macOS than just the Apple store, several which have been made native such as some of the Blizzard titles but many esport titles run very well even with Rosetta - steam etc run fine. Mind you this is just the M1, the M1x is likely to be around double the performance if not more - and it’ll only get better as the years go by. It won’t provide 240hz gaming but having a noiseless, cool laptop while even gaming is outstanding - and the battery life is triple some of the modern windows laptops I’ve used.

When Apple start doing their own GPU’s, I don’t think people will care for AMD or Nvidia. The future will basically be “buy a Mac, unless you need Windows” but that may even be resolved in future with ARM based Windows 10 etc.

 

what?? nahh, fire up CRU and input your custom Refresh rate. Works fine for me on my iGPU. up to 300hz

 

Heya, I got the 2021 blade with the 3080 but does anyone else just hate the pitch of the fans? It's driving me mad

 

Apparently strips near bottom vents produce that pitch sound, I think I don’t have it on my 2018 advanced, and I don’t have pitch sound issue as well. Solution is by replacing it with some cheap thermal pad from Amazon. Here’s Reddit post about that.
https://www.reddit.com/r/razer/comm...urce=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

 

On balance this is definitely one of the better gaming laptops - I do think however we may benefit from waiting for the 11th gen CPU, may resolve some issues with less heat/noise potentially or at the very least decent performance increase due to the die shrink and some of the cpu features not found on the 10th gen.

 

Hi guys, long time no see.. returned to the forums after some time.
I just picked up one of these 2 days ago and still haven't cracked open the case. There has been some bed press on this version with the 3080, so i am hoping my QHD 3070 might help redeem the laptop. This is my 2nd attempt at going razer because the 9th gen was way to much trouble and i was able to return her due to the issues, but man do i love the looks of this thing , just because of being the Mac of the PC world.
So " waxing lyricals" aside, i want to upgrade the drive on this , particularly installing the 2nd drive in it. Would you young folks advise
1) are both NVME
2) what drive would you recommend as a secondary 1 Tb ( i want to keep the prmary drive this thing shipped with on the side and buy one and marry it with the 1tb Evo i have from 2019 )
3) how is the heat managed between 2 drives this close ( last time i dabbled with these in the 9th gen RB15, and it got toasty. I assume putting heat transfer material between the 2 drives is not recommended)
4) any tricks of the trade to get 2 x fast NVME in their respective slots

thanks you for your time guys

 

1) they didn’t mention on website if it’s nvme, but you can check the speed if you’ve already Evo nvme.
2) Put slower one on secondary.
3) You can ask HWinfo64 sensor, not sure on current 15 but on book 13 there’s pad connected to bottom lid to dissipate the ssd heat.
4) How fast do you want since it’s still PCIe3, but I saw some who used PCIe4 nvme on 10 gen cpu got faster speed over PCIe3 nvme but not at PCIe4 speed, when I’m not wrong like 4Gb/s vs PCIe4 with 5Gb/s+. However I barely notice on like booting the difference between my crucial p1 2gb/s vs Evo 970 3,2gb/s, maybe only one or two seconds.

 

Apparently they do right on performance department if this review is true, the review shows it smack down g15 3080 which here costs freaking €2800 for a non complete laptop without webcam thanks to the hype no amd no buy.

 

Thank you @ joikansai
I am getting 2.6K read and 2.4 K write on the 970, its about the same for the 981A that the laptop came with
haven't started with games yet, but it appears that the top port is #1 and the bottom is #2 ( the top one does have a thermal pad attached to the underside of the chassis.
Now these speeds were ascertained on battery. However an issue persists, i updated all the drivers for the machine, because there were no approved drivers for the 2021 as of yet on Razer's website, so between NV and Intel i have everything latest and appropriate, however the battery life is awful. I am barely getting 2.5 hours on the battery
no balanced , with windows power profile pegging the machine at 50% CPU on max, with brightness < 150 ~ish nits and with all these " windows optimizations " i am getting a draw of 33 to 30 watts

 

Power draw needs to be under 15 watt, 10 is preferred to get 6 hours plus, yes it’s pain in the ass to get max battery on windows laptops especially one with optimus (or if it’s advanced optimus one, it’s maybe not optimized yet), maybe try using older nvidia drivers, check 3rd party apps that bugging it. About synapse profile test also on balance mode, on my book 13 balance give more battery life than battery saver, and windows profile better performance give better performance than max performance LoL. In my case with blade 15 advanced 2018, Razer gpu Switcher (for Razer core setting), duet (for IPad mirror), and auto syncing programs take a lot battery power, by disabling those from quick access and start up could get 7 hours with 80Wh, now maybe max 5 hours (never tried it since literally it’s desktop now) due battery wear after like 3 years.
Side note: that fans look nice compared to mine, more beefy and look more expensive.

 

May i ask you to tell me the new fans of your 2021 RBA model? At this video:

it seems like on minute 13:24 the fans of the new model differ a lot to the ones in the 2020 model. It would be great to know if they actually have a different CFM.

 

It’s different fans, at least to my advanced 2018, and noise never passes 50dB unlike mine (max fans) according notebookcheck review.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Razer...Review-Now-with-a-360-Hz-screen.536335.0.html
Gaming temperature doesn’t reach 90ish on their Witcher test as well, well it’s unlike other bigger 3080 laptops uses maxq 95 watt tgp.

 

Hey everyone, I've been tweaking my Razer 15 (QHD/3080/32gb) to try and lower temps.
Since we can't undervolt, I've been playing with limiting power via PL1/PL2 in TS.

Has anyone else attempted the same?
I'd love to compare notes and and see what wattages for each has worked for your system vs mine.

I need to repaste and re-seat the vapor chamber since my core deltas are bit of a mess

Question, there is definitely some headroom for the GPU, has anyone or is anyone working on a mod'd BIOS to increase our GPU wattage?

Cheers!!

 

Pascal was the last architecture where vbios modding was possible. You can try to crossflash the RTX vbios of the 17inch RB to your 15 inch version. But keep a hardware flasher handy in case you got a black screen after the flash and always do a backup of your original vbios. But in case your temps are already very high on the cpu side i wouldn`t think about a increasing power mod in any way. You can do that after unlocking the bios to enable your undervolt again and a repaste with liquid metal. That is what i would suggest.

 

So after 3 years of owning two of the original 2018 Blade 15's, one of which was likely from the very first shipment, I'm taking the plunge on a TGL 2021 Blade 15 Advanced with QHD and the 3060. I think I'm most excited about the keyboard layout.

 

I get sub 10w power draw on my blade. In fact, I sit around -6.5w at idle on half screen brightness at 144hz on optimus. I have the 3070 model. I regularly get 8 hours of battery life doing actual work

 

If anybody gets their 11th gen blade with a 3070.. I'd love to have a copy of your vBIOS. They upped the vBIOS to 105 watts versus 95 watts

 

oh it's real bad! I can't believe they didn't notice! I did the thermal pad trick that guy posted and it brought it down the noise a good 70% but there is still a tiny bit of high pitched whine. It's manageable now.

I wonder if putting in the 2020 fans would solve it? My 2020 did not have that whine but the layout is exactly the same, heatsink and all

 

Mate can you tell me what you have loaded on the machine. Mines a QHD running 3070 at 60hz. I finally found out it was my AIDA64 running that inc my power draw.
Is there something light that can display some parameters on a glance not consuming so much power?

 

Notebookcheck review for 11gen cpu 3080 model out, better cpu performance compared to previous, better ssd speed thanks to PCIe4 out big inner design changes, no video cable across the ram (curious where it’s, hide under the vapor chamber sound worse), similar clean look vapor chamber as blade 14.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Razer...iew-Small-Changes-Big-CPU-Gains.548802.0.html
Though apparently it needs a tune since unlike @MagillaGorilla mentioned on blade 14 thread 3DMark scores are quite low, some are beaten by my “tuned” blade 14 3070 variant.

 

yea, it needs quite the tune to perform well.. 11900h gets hot, really hot, even with liquid metal applied.. they should have capped the Intel blades at 11800h.

Cinebench R23 starts at 4.6ghz but then throttles to 3.6ghz once the PL2 or thermal limits hit. - max temps with LM still reach 100c

Undervolting is possible, but it’s hit or miss on whether the settings stick.

GPU is great after a flash, and I’ve hit 130-135w draw


Still testing/tuning but on the fence about keeping it due to not being able to dial-in the CPU pwr settings, and locked BIOS. (My new ram has 3200 Jedec timings but cant activate 3200 XMP profile even though it runs at 1.2v


Beautiful machine tho

 

Oh so this model gets a MUX switch. Son of a. . .

 

Blade Laptops despite stealth and blade 14 has mux since 2020. Maybe because it’s bigger since I think mux needs extra hardware. Stealth and blade 14 half internal is already booked for giant vapor chamber. I think other 14 inch g14 and Triton se 300 nor smaller 13 inch “gaming” laptops also doesn’t have it.

 

Unfortunately it is hardware. Hence why you can’t just disable Optimus and bypass the iGPU. I think only budget laptops should not have it. But that’s just me.

 

The 11900h w/3080 + Oled does NOT have a mux switch, and has regular Optimus.. BUT, you can bypass the iGPU by plugging in an external monitor.

 

I wonder why they’re so selective with which laptop gets it? And for me the external screen is not much of a solution. Might as well get a desktop at that point.

 

My desktop is a MONSTER

Agree it sucks losing a few FPS due to Optimus, but with a higher TGP it's less annoying.

Also, still love the fact this thing can handle 4k 120hz via HDMI. Perfect for traveling, or bringing to a friend's house.

 

So on synapse gpu mode there’s no dgpu only or nvidia optimus options?

Hmm weird that they have it on cheaper FHD variant, probably screen panel matter that the Oled somehow doesn’t have direct gpu connection hardware.

 

Currently running the 14” Blade w/ rtx 3080. Anyone willing to share their updated 105w vbios for the 15” Blade w/ 3080, just use GPU-Z and save the vbios to a file, takes 10 seconds. Would really appreciate it, thank you.

 

I have the '21 3080 and backed up the vbios locally, but unfortunately I had to reformat my drive and lost it.. Was trying to unlock the BIOS.. However, I have the QHD 3080 coming in next week and will upload to Techpowerup if no one else has by then.

In the mean time, you can try this 125w vbios from Asus S17 if you're feeling brave..
VGA Bios Collection: Asus RTX 3080 16 GB | TechPowerUp

Worked for me on the 15", not sure how the 14"chassis and power delivery will like it though.
NOTE: I have the 3080 w/16gb VRAM, but the vbios should still be usable on 8gb models.

 

Sounds good, thank you for the reply. I just tried the Asus vbios, no luck / ID mismatch error.

 

commands:
nvflash --protectoff
nvflash -6 biosname.rom

I usually restart once, then DDU the drivers, then reinstall the latest Nvidia drivers.

After all that, you can confirm you have the new power limit by checking System Information in the Nvidia control panel.

**If you have issues after the flash, you can:

A- use an external monitor, hopefully your onboard Vega GPU should be able to still display.
B- if PC starts but no display when getting to Windows, you can restart and launch Command Prompt from Recovery
- use nvflash and follow same steps but flash your original.


Let me know how it goes!

EDIT: Removed File.. My scan came back clean, but removed it so no one else would complain.
Google "nvflash board mismatch id bypass" and download the newest version.

Cheers

 

I downloaded the file and Windows Defender blocked it and detected wacatac trojan!

 

That’s the one I have locally on my machine, if someone else wants to scan it go for it

 

I’ll be scanning my system, but don’t expect any issues.. any type of software or tool that can modify your system at a hardware level may get flagged by windows. There’s a ton of false positives out there, found this on Reddit:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.re...an_wacatac_ever_be_a_false_positive_or_is_it/

Feel free to use another AV to scan it, or google “nvflash board id mismatch” and download the newest version u find from a trusted host

 

Thanks. I've tried every version of Nvflash, with 5.692 being the best one so far. I'll eagerly await an upload of the newer 105w vbios for the Blade 15.

 

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/21519570

My best result so far 12,368!

Also been killing Cinebench and Geekbench scores, will post those later.


Disclaimer: don’t expect this performance from a stock Razer blade. I had to re-paste with liquid metal, and modify the bios to achieve this result. Stock Settings from the factory left sooooo much to be desired with some 11800h’s and 5900hx’s outperforming it due to thermal and power throttling so I had to do something. I’m now at 11980hk level and beyond!

I think I can squeeze a few more points out of the CPU, but not much due to the thermal constraints.. Also want to get the GPU’s score into the mid 13,000‘s and hopefully close to 14k

 

Is it with stock 105 watt vbios or did you flash with some other one? Regardless good job, best Razer blade score so far I know.

 

Very nice! Please share the 105w vbios if you're comfortable, would love to test it on my 14. Btw I tried the version of Nvflash you shared, no luck with that one either. Perhaps a different Razer vbios should work on mine.

 

Definitely flashed, forgot to mention that in the OP.

On the 125w Asus bios I posted earlier in the thread.

Pulling over 137w during Timespy

 

**As mentioned, I lost my original backup of the stock 105w vbios as I had to reformat my drive after a failed BIOS unlocking attempt..lol

Have the 11800h w/3080 + QHD on the way next week for comparison.. Will upload then


In the mean time, check this out






Basically, after unlocking the BIOS it was on from there.

Undervolted w/ Throttlestop

Did the PL mod found in the other thread and able to run max fans at the same time with Synapse.
(that's why my power readings are so low.. I'm more concerned with temps than power draw)

Enabled custom RAM timings

A lot went into unlocking this things potential.. It's now throwing bows with the GE66's and S17's

 

How did you do this? Nvflash 5.692 fails with a mismatch even with --protectoff and -6, and the patched version of 5.590 fails because it can't find any Nvidia adapters.

 

Does any one have a stock 3070 vbios o flatbed a msi and getting lots of screen flickering

 

Amazon uk hits lower price for 3060 base.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Razer-Blade-Base-Model-i7-10750H/dp/B08T9XYJDZ
It is old 10750H CPU but still decent price for blade 3000 series imo.

 

How do you unlock bios ?

 

Hi, sorry I upgraded from the Razer Blade to a Lenovo Legion.

as for the unlock, I used RU.efi, and FPTW.. I got some help from the guys over at win-raid forums and was able to flash a modded bios without using a chip programmer on the 2021 models