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    Razer blade 15 2021 Rtx 3000

    Discussion in 'Razer' started by Joikansai, Jan 12, 2021.

  1. theautumnsbest

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    Which Legion did you get? there's a 2+ month delivery date for Legion 7 (AMD)
     
  2. Joikansai

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    First YouTube 11gen 3080 review Oled, sorry in japanese but there’s time line for benchmark etc, it’s running hot from PC user prospective so he recommended at summary if you’re using it at home only better getting PC for the price. Something to note, on video editing the gap between his desktop (3090 5950x on 4K 60fps) only 2 minutes compared to previous reviewed Aorus 15g 3070 which took 30 minutes :eek: (17+ minutes on blade 15, 15 minutes on desktop). Cinebench r23 and Geekbench cpu probably due Razer conservative power limitation it performs worse than blade 14 5900HX but on cpu short boost on Timespy it blows blade 14 CPU score. He confused on gpu benchmark why some 3070 laptops scores similar :D it is because maxq 105 watt 3080.
    I like however his gaming review nice play, oh yeah he mentioned it’s also loud after he took off his headphone :biglaugh:
     
  3. MagillaGorilla

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    7i - i9 11980hk, 3080, 2TB, 32GB
     
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    I have a Razer Blade 15 Advanced 2021-mid (11800h). Throttlestop was working until yesterday. Now its locked. Can someone help me to unlock FIVR control in ThrottleStop? thnks
     
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    Damn the did it again, did you do any update before you can’t undervolte it again, like bios update?
    Not really sure but guys here apparently resetting bios using bios programmer and setting this and that to tweak the bios on older model, check on other thread.
    Did try also this throttlestop version, maybe (hopefully) yours a bit older version, not sure also about this it’s like 3 years i don’t do TS.
    https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/throttlestop-9-2-9.276365/
     
  7. Laszlo Berta

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    I have the latest TS. There was no BIOS update, but windows update. Maybe the pushed something through there.
     
  8. Laszlo Berta

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    Could you please let me know more information about unlocking? thanks.
     
  9. Porter

    Porter Notebook Virtuoso

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    I've definitely had BIOS updates come through Windows update. Lost undervolting on an HP.
     
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    Did you ever get it unlocked again? My 2021 Blade with 11900h WAS unlocked but is no longer and I don't understand why.
     
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  12. MagillaGorilla

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    Got my hands on the 11900h w/3080 again...

    A lot went into unleashing the performance of this laptop.
    • Liquid Metal on CPU, KPX on GPU

    • Fully Unlocked BIOS (including mem OC) using RU.EFI

    • 32GB GSkill RAM @3200mhz CL18 CR1 Gear 1

    • Flashed 150w Asus RTX 3080 Mobile VBIOS https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/234928/asus-rtx3080-16384-201217

    • IMON Slope Hack to prevent CPU power throttling

    • Razer Synapse set to Max Fans on Balanced Mode due to IMON slope hack

    • Intel XTU - undervolted to -.080 V core, no cache, all core 4.6Ghz

    • MS Afterburner GPU OC +150 core, +800mem (flat vf curve @900mv)

    Some scores:
    Plus 3 Broken Records for the 11900h +3080 Hardware Combination

    FYI - these scores were with the built-in display.. I can get a few more points running on an external monitor.

    Also leaving points on the board since I'm running Windows 11

    Just call me the Laptop Whisperer ;)
     
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    Time to shunt mod
     
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    Dear Laptop Wisperer, can you please explain how to fully unlock the BIOS by using the ru.efi?

    I already did the ru.efi thing to get undervolting working with TS and i am curious how to unlocked the rest of the bios since with my Blade Pro 17 mid 2021 i am not able to flash a modified bios to unlock the hidden stuff without a programmer.

    If there is a way to "fully unlock" the bios by using ru.efi (without a programmer), please let us know on how to do this.
     
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    Most of the info is here on NBR, the rest was researched on Winraid, and BIOS-mods forums.

    Here is a quick little summary of what I did:

    • I dumped the BIOS via Intel FPTW
    • Opened .BIN in UEFI Tool
    • Search for CFG Lock, BIOS Lock, FPRR, BIOS GUARD and 'extract body' in the PE32 where the terms are found, and save .bin
    • Open IFR Extractor and extract .txt file from the .bin

    • Look for the CFG, BIOS, FPRR, BIOS Guard locks mentioned above.. those are the offset you must set to off (00) with RU.efi

    • Then you can then follow the steps to modify your BIOS with AMIBCP..

    • Since you disabled FPRR, you'll be able to flash your modified BIOS from Windows using Intel FPTW
    Hope this helps, it was a lot of trial and error, and I'm a bit busy to create a full blown guide. Might some day
     
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    Tempting.. but I haven't felt the need to do that for a few generations now. - maybe if someone passes me, lol

    I do however shunt mod my Desktop GPU's ;)
     
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    Thanks for your anwser.

    as mentioned, i did the UV unlock via RU, so i am not completly new to this

    i searched the .bin for "BIOS LOCK" did all the extracting stuff and got 0x1C
    now running RU -> UEFI Variables -> Setup i find 0x1C is set to 01 and set it to 00

    here is where the problem starts, ctrl+w (save) gives an error, it says this cant be stored.

    even tried the SoniXs guide "AMISetupWriter", got 0x1C as well but when i try to change 0x1C with "amisetupwriter 0x1c 0x0" i get an call return security violation.

    I guess my machine dosnt want me to set this freakin 0x1C to 0...

    ps: shunt modded watercooled gpus before too, but on a laptop i would not do it
     
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  18. MagillaGorilla

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    Might be in a diff location.. look in CPUSETUP or PCHSETUP.. I forget.

    I’ll have to revisit to see.. also, search for FPRR. That is what is preventing us from flashing from OS.

    I think my FPRR was 0x683 or something like that
     
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    webmi Notebook Enthusiast

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    Flash Protection Range Registers (FPRR), VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0x683

    got 683 as well, can you remember where to find it ?
     
  20. ZeroBarrier

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    My FPRR turned out to be 0x6DD Which I can't find in RU.efi for the life of me.
     
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  21. ZeroBarrier

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    Could you perhaps link to the threads that helped you find those locations?

    So far, I have checked in SETUP, CPUSETUP and PCHSETUP; and haven't found 0x6DD with a value of 01. So I'm wondering where FPRR actually is.
     
  22. MagillaGorilla

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    There were no posts that helped me.. just posts discussing what Locks to check for, and that was on WinRaid forums..
    I literally went digging through all of the UEFI "sections" (Setup, CPUsetup, PCHSetup, etc...)

    Some of those sections have multiple pages.
    (remember to use Page Down to see the rest of the variables in each section)
     
  23. ZeroBarrier

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    I did, all instances I found in those 3 sections were already set to 00. Hence why I asked.

    You don't remember where the FPRR for your model was located at?
     
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    How did you flash this bios with the device having a mismatch? I downloaded the previous nvflash and it's not detecting my 3080. The newest nvfash64 won't flash it due to the mismatch.
     
  25. MagillaGorilla

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    -Make sure you're running on Intel GPU first, and disable Nvidia GPU in Device Manager

    - Use the latest nvflash with board-id mismatch (rename to nvflash64)

    run the following commands:

    nvflash64 --protectoff

    nvflash64 downloadedbios.bin


    ( NOTE, usually you have to add the -f command or -6 when flashing, but run it just as I typed it..)

    Re-enable Nvidia GPU.. Restart

    (optional step: after re-enabling Nvidia GPU, run DDU and restart.. then install the latest Nvidia drivers.)


    Head to Nvidia Control Panel, check System Information and you should see your new Power Limit.. run your tests
     
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    If I did, I wouldn't send you on a wild goose chase.

    I actually unlocked the BIOS a few months ago, then gave the laptop to one of my contractors to use for work.

    Just got it back and started tinkering again, my daily machine is the Legion 7i.


    I will try to boot up RU.EFI and check for you when I get a minute..
     
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    My variable, 0x683 is located in PchSetup

    [​IMG]

    I don’t even have a 0x6D line


    I found your variable in Setup but this isn’t the one you’re looking for

    [​IMG]
     
  28. ZeroBarrier

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    Okay, so I triple checked and in PCHSETUP 06DD the value is already 00
    [​IMG]

    And in SETUP it isn't even the correct value so I know it's not the right offset.
    [​IMG]

    Does this mean that FPRR was already disabled on this laptop even though I never edited those values myself? VarStore: 0x11 is CPUSETUP, VarStore: 0x17 is PCHSETUP, is this correct? If so, FPRR, Bios lock and Bios Guard were all set to 00 already. The only values I edited myself were CFG Lock and Overclocking lock, both in CPUSETUP both share the same VarStore: 0x11

    I also have a bios guard value that I can not corvert to txt file as ifr just spits out an error saying it doesn't know the protocol.
     
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    Not sure, I don’t have the extracts right now.

    Try dumping your BIOS via FPTW, and then try flashing it.. see if it passes.

    If it does, proceed to modify your BIOS with AMIBCP to enable all the hidden options and then try flashing that.
     
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    Just tried, no go. Error 167 Protected Range Registers. Well, I'm thoroughly stumped.
     
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    Weird.. I’ll try to help you out via DM so we don’t hijack the thread. Let me go back and read some notes, retrace my steps and get back to you
     
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    Haha, I'm aware of Hidden Modder..

    • CPU is thermally limited on this 15" chassis... hits 95c+ on Liquid Metal
    • the GP66 has better cooling and larger chassis.
    • he's running a very nice OC on his RAM (3300-3400+) compared to my 3200
    • probably applied a BCLK OC
    • the GPU is shunted so it will always win against other 3080's

    Side note, I've beaten some of his 3dmark scores with the Legion 11980hk, the ones I didn't are due to his GPU being shunted and mine not. If I did, it'd be a wrap.

    TLDR; the 11800h, 11900h, 11950h, and 11980hk are the same chip just different bins, and dependent on proper cooling.
     
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    I and I guess others would appreciate it, if we can find everything we need here in this thread so we all can try it.

    Spend nearly the hole day yesterday trying to flash my modded bios. Will try again and every little info on this topic here in this thread is valueable information.

    Please keep it here for us to read. Thanks

    It would be very huge if we find a way like you did to flash custom system bios on the latest Razer Blades.

    I think is speak for all of us when is say you and your information are very welcome to spam as much info as we can get.

    thanks for your work
    Greetings from germany
     
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    Pretty much. He didn't apply any BCLK OC to my knowledge, I only guided him with the LM, Shunt mod and ram oc.
     
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    That is the plan! I want to discuss via DM but once we discover the solution, we can share the steps via Post for all to follow.
     
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    Moin moin :)
    Just for information. For latest Blade 15 hack/tuning or whatever it’s called there’s recently post on Razer subreddit you might want take a look. It’s nice imo and you can ask him how to as well.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/razer/comm...urce=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
     
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    Servus!

    This is the same dude, it’s him on Reddit as well.

    BTW, it’s me who asked him there too ;)
     
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    Watt you’re the OP? Haha Lol :D i see, it’s already great score for a Blade 15, on windows 10 you’ll get better score maybe on CPU side.
    Well ich drücke dir die Daumen getting more performance on this smallest 15inch form factor.
     
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    I'm OP..

    He's been stalking me, lol jp
     
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    Haha, Ach so, thought you sold already your Blade for Legion when I’m not wrong or that was other poeple? Sorry then :oops: My bad.
     
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    I am stalking nobody, I am just very interested in this topic. Flashing without a programmer would make me love my blade pro 17 even more.

    For example, why is there now possibility to use manual fan control with the higher power settings on the stock bios?! I don’t get it, srsly…

    I am reading nearly daylie in the Razer sub on Reddit and checking NBR every few days for news on the bios topic.

    I hope you guys have made some progress and can post the solution soon ;)

    Would even buy you a beer or two in form of a small donation if you can solve this riddle
     
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    It was a joke, no worries, lol..

    I'm able to use manual fan control on Balanced Mode in Synapse while retaining the higher Power Limits by following the steps outlined here: Take Full Control of your Razer Blade w/no PL Throttling | NotebookReview

    What I'm working on now is re-tracing the steps performed to unlock the BIOS as it was a few months ago, and I did not save notes. - smh

    I work and have a new baby to care for, so my free time is limited.. Hope to have some info soon.


    No, I was going to return the Blade but instead decided to keep it as my 'loaner laptop' for contractors.

    My daily is the Legion
     
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    Right, Balanced got the fan control, but it only has 45w of CPU PL1.

    CPU Boost got 65w PL1 but no manual fan control.

    I cant bench this sucker with high power target and manual fans. I only can bench with fans on auto which ofc thermal throttles like hell.

    If I am not mistaken, we need the ISLOP set in (custom) BIOS to get more then the 45w in balanced. The windows energy profile is not enough.

    I already modded my bios but until we can bypass the signature lock I am not able to flash.

    Btw., congrats on the little one, I try to avoid this as long as I can, but the wifey already is very aware of this topic.
     
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    I just re-traced my steps, and slapped this together quickly for reference..

    FYI, I may have missed some details, but will update the post until it is concise.

    Preface:
    This Guide is intended to help you disable the BIOS Lock and FPRR (flash protection) UEFI variables, and allow flashing from the OS via software.

    A lot of the steps are pulled from Stranula's post:
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...otential-to-unlock-all-hidden-options.830993/
    Please reference his post if you want more detail regarding each step..


    Software Needed:
    • CSME System Tools for your respective CPU - (for Intel Flash Programming Tool) 11th gen requires: CSME v15.0 r10
    • UEFItools
    • IFRExtractor
    • RU.EFI
    • AMIBCP 5.02.0031
    (some are found in Stranula's post, some are on Win-Raid forums, and some you have to google)

    Steps:
    • Disable Secure Boot in BIOS
    • In Windows, Dump the BIOS via Intel FPTW tool
    • command: FPTW64 -d nameyourbios.bin -bios
    • Open the .bin with UEFI Tool
    • Search for Memory Overclocking, and extract body from PE32.. save the new .bin
    • Use IFR to Extract .txt file from the .bin you created in the previous step
    • Open the .txt file and search for the following terms and note their variables:
    • (BIOS Lock, FPRR) - Mine were: BIOS Lock VarOffset - 0x1C and FPRR VarOffset - 0x683
    • (This is on the 15" 11900h model, should be the same for 11800h, not sure for other models including 17")
    • Create Ru.EFI bootable USB, restart and boot into the tool
    • Head to the PchSetup section, and locate the offsets.
    • Change the offsets from "01" to "00", Crtl+W to write.
    • [​IMG]
    • If successful, quit and boot into Windows.
    • Use FPTW again, this time you want to dump the BIOS again, Command: FPTW64 -d nameyourbios.bin -bios
    • Then try to flash that BIOS, Command: FPTW64 -f yournamedbios.bin -bios
    If it is successful, you've done it! You can now flash from the OS!

    [​IMG]

    **NOTE:**

    Sometimes those variables are reset.. not sure when, but I've experienced it.
    (perhaps hard shut-down, or bad OC setting that reverts BIOS settings etc.?)
    If that is the case.. simply boot into RU.efi and set the variables to 00 again.


    Next Steps now that you're able to flash from Windows:

    Follow Stranula's post to modify your BIOS with AMIBCP, enabling hidden power, memory, and overclock menus..
    (you can also disable CFG and Overclock Lock once you've flashed your modded BIOS, or you can do it via RU.EFI following the previous steps for FPRR but looking for CFG etc.)

    Flash the modded BIOS and enjoy!

    Then for the cherry on top, follow David Kirchik's guide to removing PL throttling..
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...f-your-razer-blade-w-no-pl-throttling.827919/

    ** Make sure you perform the Regedit for Power Plans, and Power Options bypass for Razer Synapse if you want to be able to set Synapse to max fans while enjoying the higher Power Limits.**


    Hope this helps some of you figure it out.. as mentioned, it was a lot of trial and error on my part.. I am in no way an expert regarding BIOS modification. - I reached out to BDMaster and SweetKitty on WinRaid Forums for guidance.

    Big Thanks to them, Stranula, David K, and all the other helpful members of NBR!
     
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    got it, i am able to flash, at least FPT Operation is successful

    thing is, after modded bios is flashed, there is no visable options in bios for OC/memOC/etc...

    i dont know why, yet
     
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    Don’t forget to reference Stranula’s post. Specifically the portion about changing the suppressed strings for the OC Menu’s to “false”..

    For example, “12 06 42 04 00 00” and changing the 2nd to last set of digits to “FF”

    You have to change that for ALL instances of that string via hexedit, then replace the body via UEFITOOL..

    Finally, you can flash the BIOS
     
  48. webmi

    webmi Notebook Enthusiast

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    this is were things are not so easy to understand anymore

    i am trying to understand what i am doing, since i dont want to brick my blade

    i disabled the CFG/OC lock in bios now, so i dont have to use ru every time the variables are resetted (BIOS reset for excample)

    changing HEX code in the .bin however is, where things getting "very hot" if you dont know what exactly you are doing. i dont feel confident enough yet, dont exactly understand the values i supposted to change yet, so i guess i will start reading (the hole "stranula" thread) and try to learn and understand things.

    "BIOS Extraction and Initial Modification" is done
    "BIOS Binary Extraction and Interrogation" is done
    "BIOS Binary Modification" is open. i got the menubinary.txt and can find "memory oc" but my following lines are different from his lines, and here is were i to some degree understand what i should do, but dont understand what i am doing, yet ;)

    I mean, who the **** is designing this (AMI) bios ****?! Why are there things locked to different users and completely hidden at the same time?! Would have been not that complicated if I could change things to „user“ for them to be visible in the bios… don’t get the point in suppressing them with other variables to.. but I am no bios writer and my be therefore don’t get the point.
     
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  49. ZeroBarrier

    ZeroBarrier Notebook Geek

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    Okay, so far I'm deep in the rabbit hole. I've gotten the Overclocking Performance Menu to show up, and within it the Memory Overclocking Menu. But I'm not quite there yet, as some items from the Overclocking Performance menu direct to completely blank pages such as Processor, Ring, GT, Uncore, Voltage PLL Trim Controls and Platform Voltage Overrides. Also, none of the Memory Overclocking options are editable and there is a very strange top section that I'm guessing it meant to display current memory timings that just shows a bunch of 00000's and it's even spaced correctly.
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    I'm beat from trying to get this to work tonight. Maybe someone who gets farther can help out.

    My model is RZ09-0369 Blade 15 base early 2021 i7-10750h RTX3070. I have all the edits I made documented for further refinement, if anyone can help I can certainly share what I've done in detail.
     
  50. Deathalo

    Deathalo Notebook Consultant

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    Followed these steps, found BIOS Lock, CFG, Overclocking, and FPRR (was the same as yours since it's the same 11900h), but when trying to reflash the BIOS I get the Error 167: Protected Range Registers are currently set by BIOS. My CFG and Overclocking modifications worked because I was able to undervolt now, but can't flash the BIOS. What am I missing? (also FPRR was already at 00).

    ***EDIT*** Figured out I didn't set the BIOS Lock in PCHSetup, that code was 00 in CPUSetup, my mistake but it works now!

    ****EDIT 2*** Can flash a modified BIOS bin file after making the changes in David Kirchik's guide yet nothing new shows up in the BIOS afterwards, no changes, no new options under advanced, no overclocking tab... Not sure why
     
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