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    Take Full Control of your Razer Blade w/no PL Throttling

    Discussion in 'Razer' started by David Kirchik, Mar 8, 2019.

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    https://drive.google.com/file/d/11InaqZDYqnyxgfydAHJAn9sexV-W6SJZ/view?usp=sharing

    If you update the bat file to call this, it has all menus unhidden and an overclocking performance menu added.
    Lucky you had the space.

    Remove any software underclock/overclock BEFORE Bios update, this includes GPU
    Make sure to fully read and comprehend AC/DC Loadlines and IMON Tweaking (If modding).
    Please note that you may need to set XMP Speeds for 2933 instead of 3200 for stability (HyperX).

    Let me know if you have any questions. I assume there will be lots. I mean that is if it works and you post =P.
    I applied all the same changes to mine instead of ordering a chip programmer and have hacked a few bios in the past.

    Pretty straight forward stuff (if you are into it)
     
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    Hi, you hit 3100 in cinebench w/o IMON mod? Can you share u're throttlestop fivr and tpl settings?
     
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    thank you very much, will tell you if it worked.
    short question before i proceed, is it possible to adjust the fan curve this way?
    i literally see no reason, after doing the LM job, why the fan has to blow loud after reaching 50° with light browsing.
    also, as you seem to understand what you are doing, is it possible to "hack" the bios further to trick synapse into thinking i own the advanced model? id kill to be able to use the per key chroma :p

    thanks alot again!

    edit:
    okay, got it working. im reaching 3100 points over at r20 cinebench. So performancewise im fine, thank you :) now i only need to undervolt again(slightly less aggressive, i know) and get the fan curve done for the lower settings.
    thanks again man!
    CPU gets about 80° without undervolting, so thats fine as well i guess(while using r20)
     
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    Probably but someone would need to find where/how that is formed. I can see where it lives and take a look but am not confident without further review.
    I also am not sure how Synapse works in it yet, although I have some ideas on where and what to check. - Per key chroma is nice :p
     
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    yeah, would be epic.
    i dont understand razer though, id easily pay some extra just to get the pkc.. hint
    results are in.
    i can uv the core by 60mv, cache by 125mv (though it doesent seem to affect anything, neither the temps nor the stability) and still be prime stable.
    though, upon using small FFTs im reaching out to 86°. I guess thats fine, since its not a real usage anyhow.
    cinebench r20 runs a bit cooler to about 82° and nets 3100 points. kinda cool. ryzen 4600h proccessor manage to get 3250 without any mods, but sadly theres no slim notebook out there who can fit that+d. gpu in :p
    my second profile for work will be turbo disabled and same uv. i hope i get it silent this way before i can manage to change the fan curves myself
     
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    I am stable at -60 UV core and memory at XMP2 2933. Trying to figure out how to get XMP1 3200 to play nicely with it. Only thing I have not done is raise so-dimm to 1.35 from 1.2

    I think I tapped out
     

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    Cant choose any XMP profile at all. Strange, but i dont mind too much.
    i found some options to set the fan curve, though. when plugged in, they dont matter though. nothings changing as the jet will always perform at its loudest. i will try to change some settings and see if the fan is turning on later if not plugged in the wall.. that would change a lot for me, since using it at work would be much less disturbing for anyone sitting near me.
    edit:
    mission failed. nothing changed.
    i really dont understand why this is happening.
    if i limit turbo and other stuff, i can reach 35° and after about 3min the fans turn off.
    3min after idleing at around 35°..why does it take that long? no matter how i setup the fans in bios.
    edit2:
    okay, i got the ways to keep it dead silent.
    fact 1. it will never be running fanless as long as its plugged in. havent found a way yet at least.
    fact 2. to have the blade running fanless on batterymode u need to set the power plan to balanced (which u shoud do anyway after the bios mods since else ur gonna have 0 battery life)
    and when u leftclick the batteryicon choose the second lowest level of action.
    also you need to autostart Throttlestop to have the undervolting coming (obviously u can do it manualy but i find that to be rather annoying each time u restart, so i started a scheduled task)

    when u do all of this, obviously with LM and Biosmod, the CPU will reach 35° and the fans turn off. no matter if u reach 40 45 or 49°, the fans stay off or very low.
    and if u want to have performance u can choose ultimate performance power plan again, plug it in and ur good to go with fans again though sadly.

    if anyone finds better ways to archieve silence, id be thrilled to hear it. my battery life without restricting the turbo is 5h. i can get up to 7-8h if i disable turbo as well. thats for the 2019 base model at least.
     
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    Hi, after the IMON tweak(slope and offset), i see that with cpu under load i should see a CPU Package Power of 4W, but mine doesn't go over 1.4W.
    I hit 3100 on cinebench r20, which is a good score for a 9750h, but i can't understand why that package power lower then others.
     
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    I just set the power to high performance (windows) and limit the fan speed via synapse for 4000 and keep it under 80C with an 8400 in timespy. Outside of that I just run balanced with no turbo and it stays pretty quiet in office. I normally sit around 45C in that non turbo mode.

    I hear a very a low hum from the fans but luckily I got a unit with zero coil whine and the advanced cooling works very well with LM.
     
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    What is your memory? I have my crucial 3200mhz CL 16 running fine but did have to run it at the rated 1.35V. I may slowly lower that and see if I can maintain stability.
     
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    Please see the attached dump
    Hyperx 32GB (2x16GB) XMP1 3200 CL20 XMP2 2933 CL17

    EDIT* I am unsure based on the micron chips used if it would be safe to apply 1.35
     

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    with -50 on slope (sorry) -40 u/v on core (bios)
     
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    Doh' it is always safe with overclocking ram... New image incoming after I test stability.

    EDIT* no dice up to 25 mv core, will fiddle with it later tonight.


    However with 50 IMON slope -50mV on core and XMP 2933 CL17...
     

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    • VCCIO and VCCSA voltages for Intel from 1.15v to 1.2v or 1.25v.
    That did the trick for 3200 xmp - now to overclock =D

     

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    How are you setting the VCCIO and VCCSA on these laptops?
     
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    Anyone knows if this works with the new Razer Blade Stealth with 1165G7 (late 2020)?
    This mod could turn this mashine into the perfect eGPU laptop
     
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    If I'm not wrong, the 2020 RB (not sure if also Stealth ones) has encripted BIOS, so atm there isn't any unlocked BIOS for 2020 RBs.
     
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    upload_2020-10-24_13-43-2.png
     
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    Interesting - do you think you're adding any heat doing this?

    I've been able to get Hyper X sticks to 2933 @ 1.3v - do you think it needs the extra voltage here to go higher?
     
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    Speaking of 3200 - 20-22-22-42
    Have you tried???
    AC/DC Loadline 1
    Imon Slope 50
    -10000 on offset
    800
    -50 core
    -40 cache
    +90 system agent
    VCCIO and VCCSA override voltages for Intel from 1200

    1.35V on so-dimms CUSTOM @ 133x13 20-22-22-42-t1


    i THOUGHT IT WOULDN'T HAPPEN.. 14 hours to hit it

    For your viewing pleasure
     

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    Out of curiosity, are you running Hyper-X Impact 2933? I have the 64GB Hyper-X Impact 2933 CL17 if anyone needs a tester for those modules.

    Sent from my SM-N960U1 using Tapatalk
     
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    No I grabbed 2666 and overclocked them - as far as I could see that module was discontinued. :S
     
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    Lets compare notes haha - here's what I've got without touching "VCCIO" or "VCCSA"

    cachemem.png
    Capture.PNG
     
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    Do you think I can get any faster if I mod VCCIO and VCCSA?
     
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    Not worth it. I was fiddling. Tried real hard for a nice bump /sorta. to hit 3466 I was starting to hit 80+ watts. was hurting benches

    looking into tighter timings for lower power consumption
     
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    imon 50
    - 5000

    CPU Core - 0
    Uncore +125

    No modification to VCCIO or VCCSA (This comes next, I was going about this incorrectly prior.. oops)
    100% SS shots CR2 instead of 1, I can run it in CR1 but have not confirmed it stable.

    Pretty sure that my chip's IMC sucks with the default settings for VCCIO and VCCSA

    upload_2020-10-27_13-8-41.png
     
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    So are you upping core and uncore for those clocks? I have been trying to keep the package under 70W but anything past 3200 it gets oud and power hungry.
     
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    Uncore is +150 which is the highest I feel comfortable with - worth noting as well the ME is unlocked and BCLK is 103mhz.
     
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    I've followed the steps up until using afuwingui to flash my Early 2019 Blade Stealth. I get an error saying "State: Failed" and "Address: 0xFFFFFFFF." What am I doing wrong?
     
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    Briefly describe what your steps have been and what your end goal is.
    It will help to know the specific Model you have

    If you would like help reviewing your bios, you can download the "Update Tool" for your Razer and provide the .bin file in that directory or make a copy of your BIOS 8MB system only or 16GB full and provide a link - I would be more than happy to take a look.

    Also, you should not need one, but I recommend picking up a chip programmer. I was very timid, but I have successfully flashed back 3 times after failing in windows bios updates (which I found the cause, stupid memory overclock - all stable now)
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07V2M5MVH/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
     
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    I have a curios issue with my Blade 2020, i can't raise my ratio over 11.

    This are my bios settings (hope uploading was okay, can't attach it here)

    Memory Overclock: https://i.imgur.com/BJzYL8O.jpg
    Uncore Offset: +125
    Core Voltage Offset: -20
    Core/IA VR Domain: https://i.imgur.com/sRj8yOZ.jpg
    Voltage Override VccSA: 1200
    Voltage Override VccIO: 1200

    My Memory:
    Module Manufacturer: Crucial Technology
    Module Part Number: BL16G32C16S4B.M16FE1
    Module Series: Ballistix Black
    DRAM Manufacturer: Micron Technology

    I hope someone can help me :)
     
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    Set core to -0, keep uncore at +125, remove overrides.

    Set memory to 1.3v 133 x13 with 0 in all other values. If that does not work, bump down to 1.25v.

    Core wasn't stable for me > 3200 mhz until I removed -40 undervolt on core.
     
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    What are your loadlines set to and your core/uncore?

    For higher MHZ pushing 3733 (which I can get stable) you have to stabilize your CPU underclock or remove it. If pushing tighter timings up to 3000 Mhz you can increase UV on CPU.

    Supposedly I can only support 2666
    https://ark.intel.com/content/www/d...9750h-processor-12m-cache-up-to-4-50-ghz.html
     
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    I removed all undervolting settings and reverted back the settings on the Core/IA VR Domain.
     

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    you can try if the memory voltage bump did not work
    ac/dc 10, 5, or 1
    IMON slope will not impact memory stability.
    You can also disable TDC enable

    With those in place you will want to go into the overclocking menus

    I disable adaptive bclk voltage and removed vccio/vccsa overrides too

    For testing various speeds - most I could get was 3733 at +125 core / +125 uncore.
    After days of testing I got stable with at core +0 / Uncore +125 with ram at 3533 20-22-22-46 v1.3 (Stock is 3200 20-22-22 v1.2)

    This includes Bclk being 102 instead of 100 or less.
     
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    Are this mOhm values? Because it say's on the right side: AC Loadline defined in 1/100 mOhms. A value of 100 = 1.00mOhm, and 1255 = 12.55mOhm....
    Do i have to set than for example 100 or 500 or 1000?
     
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    instead of 180/180 you drop to 1/1 or 5/5 10/10. In the case of 9750h.

    Not sure what your defaults are on that chip. If you could let me know.. I can better help you guess.
     
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    Im on my mobile phone now, but check at page 34, i posted a screenshot today at 12pm with the default settings.
    Ac/Dc Loadline was 110 on default
     
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    yeah i would try 5/5/ or 10/10
     
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    Hey everyone.

    So I own a late 2019 RBS i7-1065g7 w/ 1650 max-q, and have recently started to noticing heavy throttling in performance when playing light games (League of legends, Don't Starve Together) while using an eGPU (Razer Core X + RTX2070Super)
    I followed this guide since I assumed that power limiting was the issue (noticed the max 15W PL, even with dGPU disabled) but am still getting throttling issues to the point my the games would studder and drop massive frames at random moments.

    Any ideas on what else I can do? I've tried undervolting but have no idea what I'm doing..
     
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    I ignored the Registry Edits and followed all the steps starting from "Power Options Bypass of Razer Central" up to "BIOS IMAGE Mods/Tweaks/Changes" on the second step 6 saying "Click "Flash", let it read, write and verify. Can take a minute or two." I want my Blade Stealth to consistently run at 25 watts. I have the Early 2019 Stealth with the MX150, model number RZ09-0281x.
     
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    Thank you very much, i tested it now with 5 and 10 but without success again.
    core_ia_vr_domain.jpeg

    I also moved back to Bios vers. 1.04, with some hope to fix it by downgrading the bios...

    Uncore is on +150 and Core was on +125 for testing. Do i need to unlock the BCLK to put it on 102 Mhz? If so, how do i unlock it?
     
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    Oh boy - high risk brick process for me (could be I do not follow instructions well)
    You will want to fint the FITC tool for your Intel MEI. Once you know that you will want to complete a full backup of your bios. Load in fit and add an ICC Profile. Then you can flash the output file.

    You can easily brick your laptop if the incorrect version of FIT is used
    https://www.win-raid.com/t596f39-Intel-Management-Engine-Drivers-Firmware-amp-System-Tools.html
     
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    Okay thank you very much, i will take a deeper look into it.
     
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