AMD Catalyst 13.1 (9.012.0 December 19) AMD Official WHQL

What's so special about the 12.11p? Is it better?

 

If you have an laptop with enduro it has marginally better performance, the fps seems to not dip as low as the normal drivers on enduro affected machines, don't expect any massive gains though it's just that in my (admittedly extensive) driver testing the enduro driver seems slightly smoother in games that are affected by enduro, like people say though if you're having problems with BSOD's and stability issues the use the 13.1 driver instead. Personally I've never (crossed fingers ) had any BSOD's or anything like that so I'm just interested in getting the maximum performance from my card

 

I didn't notice any differences between 12.11 beta and 12.11p, besides the fact that 12.11p causes games to black screen on startup. 13.1 WHQL is better than either.

 

Stability aside did you actually notice any increase in performance from 12.11 drivers to the 13.1 drivers though?

 

as far as ive seen from reports 13.1 only gives very slight perf. increases at best and is mainly a stability update compared to 12.11 beta

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UGH, im still getting crashes in Crysis 2, I play for like 5 minutes and then BAM, it crashes. Also, Batman AC crashed for the first time. What is going on??

 

Not sure about Batman but playing in borderless windowed mode seems to stop Crysis 2 from crashing

Play all your games in Windowed borderless mode. - Steam Users' Forums

 

I guess there's no other option. Thanks for the advice.

 

AMD have not fixed the bugs that is what is going on...

 

And that is exactly why I upgraded to a 680m! For fun I installed my 7970m into my brother's HM machine and as expected, the card runs about 30-40% better in the games that I play. I agree, I do not think they will ever get rid of the problem completely.

 

That's odd since Kontrollbesuch: Radeon HD 7970M vs. GeForce GTX 680M - Notebookcheck.com Tests shows the 7970 trading blows with the 680M in most games with the 13.1 WHQL, and that's on a P150EM, so it's got the Enduro issues as well. I don't suppose you have numbers to back up your claim?

 

Well, even THIS review from NBC is bogus, because with the newest and latest driver 13.1 version, the FPS scores in quite a few games actually goes WAY, WAY down- some by as much as 22 FPS!
COD is one such game, to name others, so I can't see how people can come to any other conclusion that this latest release from AMD is anything but of VERY DISAPPOINTING.
Meanwhile Nvidia releases their driver updates, and they are now widening their lead over AMD in many more games- including Skyrim, which until recently was an AMD winner, but no longer.
AMD has fallen way behind of making definitive FPS improvements in their driver packages, and Nvidia has now taken a commanding lead overall.
As I say- this is very disappointing news from AMD, to say the least...

 

Do you have a source for that statement?

 

id like to know the same. u sure u installed that driver correctly? cuz most if not all reports from nbr users so far indicate that performance is pretty much the same as with 12.11 beta, if not slightly smoother.

 

AMD Catalyst 13.2 BETA 4 (12.100.17.0 January 29)

http://www2.ati.com/drivers/beta/AMD_Catalyst_13.2_Beta4.exe

FEATURE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE AMD CATALYST 13.2 BETA 4 DRIVER
(Please note that AMD Catalyst 13.2 Beta 4 includes all of the fixes found in previous versions of AMD Catalyst 13.2 Beta)
Improves performance in the Crysis 3 Multi-Player Beta by up to 50% when 4x and 8x MSAA are enabled.

Build Info:
DriverVer=01/29/2013, 12.100.17.0000
12.10.17-130129a-152690E-ATI
Catalyst 13.2
CCC: 2013.0129.1541.28099
3D: 9.14.10.0960
OGL: 6.14.10.12171
OCL: 10.0.1124.2

 

FYI for anybody still having issues getting the drivers to install correctly, I recommend just installing them directly over Sagers stock drivers. I had several BSODS and driver failures when I uninstalled (yes it was done properly) then re-installed, however installing the stock drivers then immediately updating through the installer worked like a charm.

These drivers rock and despite the naysayers comments in this thread it really proves what this card is capable of and more.

 

What I did. Drivers have been great.

 

new beta4 raised my 3dmark11 score from 6330p to 6420p

 

I just got a 6795 score.

 

pretty much.

this way it worked great for me as well. every other way caused issues.

getting 7700 with the new beta plus a 100mhz core memory oc.

 

I go back on what I previously. Just tested the drivers again keeping a close eye on utilization and I can honestly say that the difference in performance from the 12.11p drivers and 13.2 is pretty much not existent and in some cases the 13.2 drivers are slightly better especially in the games AMD said they would improve such as the Skyrim, Crysis 2 and the Crysis 3 Beta, Crysis 2 for example stays at 95-100% utilization for the most part which is a defininte improvement, there seems to only be a few games that are still majorly affected by the enduro issues, GTA 4 and and Saints row the third for example, hopefully the upcoming drivers with the supposed latency fixes will at least go some way to improve them

 

The FPS numbers on NBC are there to see, and there are comparisons that they list with each game and GPU with the newest drivers out this past month.
There are a number of games in which there is definitely a noticeable DROP in FPS scores with the new 13.1 driver.
COD has a drop of almost 23 FPS (from 90 to 68) with 13.1, and that is really disappointing.
With Medal of Honor, Diablo 3, and Borderlands, there is also a drop of 3 FPS or more as well.

Instead of actually improving the FPS scores of games across the board, some are now getting worse.
AMD is going in the wrong direction with the driver offerings with many of the games.

I was thinking about getting these games to play during the Holidays, and was waiting on the supposed "improvements"
forthcoming from AMD to make them more playable, and now that 13.1 is out, I see that the games are getting lower FPS scores
than I was hoping. This is not good news.
Nvidia's newer and newest drivers are showing great improvements across the board on games since last fall, while AMD's are not.
Even on AMD-oriented games, Nvidia is closing in and catching up on the small lead that AMD had in the past.

Even Skyrim that AMD once had a nice lead in, is now trailing by a considerable margin to Nvidia by almost 30 FPS.

Very disappointing news, to say the least.
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Jay- I dont' know if you are referring to me or not, but I have installed the newest 13.1 and now the 13.2 Beta 4, and there is NO difference in my FPS scores with Skyrim, Hard Reset, Arkham City, or any other game I play. I was hoping for a nice boost in FPS- especially from Skyrim, but there has been none. I have seen NO improvements at all in any of the games- smoothness, frame rates, etc.
The ONLY thing that has been helped with 13.1 and subsequently the latest driver, is the BSODs that I routinely got every single day since after Thanksgiving are almost non-existent, so that is at least SOME good news, if you could call it that...

On the other hand, there has been a nice boost in Nvidia's latest driver updates for those games- especially Skyrim, and this makes me very disappointed in the lack of progress being made by AMD on these more popular games.

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On the other hand, looking at those charts, in most games running very low FPS, the new AMD drivers have substantially improved their performance. In the games that they have plummeted performance, the game was mostly already seeing very good performance with high framerates (Diablo 3, Skyrim, Medal of Honor, Borderlands 2). This considered, I'd consider these drivers a win. True that they aren't exactly stellar, but we have been seeing progressively better drivers, stability and performance-wise.

 

To sum up the thread, has the 7970m actually been 'fixed'? Could it be considered as stable as a 680m. Of course all cards will have issues now and then but has 13.1 brought it to the standard of the nVidia counterparts?

 

I've been probably using Nvidia cards since those old MX ones with 32 or so MB of graphical memory. I must say I rarely had driver issues with Nvidia. Same goes for my old Radeon 9600. Enduro + GCN must be a whole world of pain to fix. It should almost require rewriting most of the driver from scratch. But those in the software industry know that first you make things, then you make them right (most of the time). I'd say things are getting better by the release, and except from one game here and there, on stock clocks they are pretty much equal. Still, it's almost a release-by-release fix, which means things are looking up, but very slowly and mostly not generic fixes, but title-specific ones. Now, If I had money or no price/quality concerns, I'd go with the 680m with no doubts.

 

Mine has been perfectly stable since this driver. I still see slight underutilization though.

...ttalk...

 

I have run into a little issue which i had a while back and i havent been able to crack it yet.

My 6990M refuses to get recognized, i tried the 13.1 drivers just because they did not tell me that i couldnt install the drivers because i didnt have compatible hardware. Im now running on the integrated GPU so i cannot game at all.
After an uninstall of CCC through the installer i installed 13.1 and rebooted but i cant seem to find CCC anywhere? I think that my problem roots itself in CCC not launching, so i cant switch to my dedicated GPU and i cant do a fresh install because i have "incompatible hardware".

You guys seem to be fairly active here, and im willing to try whatever means neccesary to try and fix this, its pissing me off not being able to use my m17x for anything but watching movies and surfing the web.

(i had the problem before as i mentioned, a rollback to an earlier backup fixed it, it didnt this time so im out of tricks)

Regards

Krauz

 

Have you tried installing in safe mode? What SO are you using? Try disabling "enforce driver signature" and also any Anti Virus you may have running. I know these are standard advices, but I am unsure what have you tried before. Can you provide us with more details on your current setup and problem?

 

Run installation as administrator as well

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Tried Driver Sweep as well ? Use CCleaner to remove broken registry entries. Other than formatting, I'm running out of ideas mate...

 

Hard to say if it was fixed. Mine has been working great with 13.2 over stock drivers since none of the 12 series worked for mine. It seems they are still trying so I am sure they know it isn't fixed.

 

This is the same issue I have been having with my 7970m, in that my GPU is NEVER recognized by any of the games that I play. Skyrim, Hard Reset, BioShock I & II
do NOT see the 7970m in the options menu for selecting the graphic display device.
This is not a situation that can be fixed with CCC either, because I have tried multiple times to tweak and fix it through CCC with the Performance settings within CCC, and
it will NOT get fixed that way.
The problem is that since NONE of any games will see the 7970m card as the primary display adaptor, the games will only run on the HD4000.

Those games WILL see the Nvidia GPU, however, and it WILL display that GPU within the game's display menu.
I have contact AMD about this, and they have NO IDEA of what to do to fix this (gee, what a shock there..!).

There MUST be a way to resolve this issue, and get games to see the 7970m GPU as the default display choice.

Since AMD is clueless about this, it gives them yet another strike against them with regard to choosing whether or not to get an AMD or Nvidia GPU next time around.

 

All my games detect the HD4000 as the graphic card in use, but they actually use the 7970m . You can test this yourself. Play a game with "Maximum Performance" in CCC and then exit and play with "Force power Saving". The game will report the HD4000 being in use in both scenarios but it will actually use the 7970m in the "Maximum Performance" setting. You should notice a huge FPS drop and worse IQ.

 

I don't know what you're talking about. I am looking at the comparison right now. The 7970M with 13.1 WHQL is getting 75 FPS in Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 (3 FPS below the 680M). The 7970M with 12.11 ALSO was getting 75FPS with Black Ops II: http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-7970M.72675.0.html
In Modern Warfare 3, the 7970M gets 69FPS with 13.1 and was getting 73FPS with the original Enduro driver. Your 90FPS value is from an Alienware model, so it isn't valid. I don't understand why you are so concerned about 3-5 FPS losses. AMD probably made some tweaks to 12.11 to ensure stability in 13.1 WHQL, and those tweaks may have caused a slight performance dip.

And where did this 30FPS trail in Skyrim come from? I clearly see "The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - Radeon HD 7970M (Catalyst 13.1) 59.3 fps; GeForce GTX 680M (ForceWare 310.90) 55.8 fps." How is the 7970M getting 60FPS with 13.1 WHQL, ahead of the 680M, translate to the 7970M trailing by 30FPS? Are you trolling me?

It seems like you are not looking at the data properly and/or are only focusing on the few games that had a small dip in performance compared to 12.11. The comparison shows that the 7970M is clearly a direct competitor to the 680M, and that 13.1 WHQL performs about as well as 12.11.

 

I have a problem with Starcraft 2. I have to add it to the max performance list everytime I reboot. For some reason it doesn't stick.

 

I have Skyrim, Hard Reset and Path of Exile and none recognise my 7970 but still use it as, for ex. In Skyrim im running Sharpshooter's ENB mod and getting 45-50 fps. Also, i know my cards being used as the fans go into high speed mode when i run these games.

The only game that truly doesn't detect it i think is Hard Reset. I tried but my system kept crashing after a few mins

 

I find it rather comical that people are still trying to blame their own technical failings on a quality product. I'm not a rocket scientist, hell, doing normal maintenance (software & hardware) on this machine can prove challenging at times but if I can manage to make the card perform properly than so can others if they took the time to troubleshoot their OWN mistakes.

 

Tranta, no, I am not "trolling you" whatever that means in the context you imply.

In their latest benchmarks, Skyrim with the 680m & 3840 I7 was getting 87 FPS.
That is what I was looking at. Yes, it was with an higher-end I7 CPU, but still noteworthy to it was able to pull in higher numbers like that with the Nvidia 680.
I was looking for some improvements- incremental to some substantial improvements in FPS across the board, but there was very, very little, if any to be found there nonetheless.

With the CoD: Modern Warfare game, I did see and know that it was an Alienware test system, and that was part of my point here. If Enduro had been fixed as has been said or believed, with the exact same system comparisons, there should be little or no discrepancies between the the benchmarked systems. Even with the newest 13.1, we should have seen SOME improvements, and made it even closer to- if not the same as, the Alienware comparison test system.But there wasn't, and it should have had better numbers than this. At this point, there should be very little or no differences at all now between any of the benchmarked test systems with the updated drivers that AMD has released. It has been almost a year since our 7970m GPUs have been out.
It is the same exact systems, except for the MUX, of course, but with the drivers, there should be no major differences now between the Alienware and Sager systems.
There is an almost 25 FPS difference, and still no improvement thus far.
Enduro has still not been fixed, and instead of getting major improvements in ALL of the games, AMD is choosing to focus on things piecemeal & game by game, instead a global solution
to every game out there. The Alienware system is still bettering the Sager systems, and MUX or no MUX, that shouldn't be happening by now even after 10 months.

Also, in my another post, I said that the 7970m is not showing up in any of the games that I play most often- only the HD4000 is shown, and AMD still has no idea how to fix the problem.
I would like to know if this is also a problem with Alienware systems, as I think that it is. Games don't see it, but they do with Nvidia's GPU.
No, the HD4000 is not the card being used in these games, but I just find it very irritating that no solution or help from AMD after repeated contacts to them have been made to get this resolved.
That is also something that should be addressed by AMD, since they know that this problem exists.

Yes, it IS nice to not have to constant and repetitious BSODs now that I and everyone else was getting, but our patience is wearing very thin at the needless delays taking place with finally
getting the 7000 series fixed. As has been said before, it's almost like AMD thought of this GCN idea half-assed, and didn't care to think it through from start to finish to get it right, or to
know even this idea would work at all. If they had, it would have been fixed from the start, or there never would have been problems in the first place.
Yeah, I know that this has been talked about Ad Nauseum for 9 months now, but enough is enough and we are tired of waiting.
If we really DO need a MUX design on our Sagers to make this work, then there really cannot be a fix no matter what, it would seem.
But according to what I have heard and read elsewhere on other forums, many have said that this can be solved via software patches and updates, so I have gone forward with that as my thinking and basis for being very impatient with the latest result offerings.

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Guys, AMD Catalyst 13.2 BETA 5 already out there.should i use this one or stay with AMD Catalyst 13.2 BETA 4?

 

check out the changelog of beta 5 and decide for urself if that includes changes u would need or not

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I have an m17x r3 with 6990m and obviously an IGPU. Havent tried cleaning out, only reinstalling, havent tried safemode and havent tried without anti virus. Ill try this in time and get back to you.

Thank you guys for all the replies! If this does not work i guess i could open it up and check the connections but since i fixed this error once before with only a reroll to a restorepoint i doubt the problem is hardware related.
Ill get back to you once ive had time to try these. It seems tho as the WHQL only installd SDK runtime and nothing else but i guess that could be solved with installing in safemode, i dont know but i will definetly try the things youve suggested.

 

I posted earlier in the thread but I don't think anyone replied. I'll ask again in case it got buried.

Is anyone having the 7970m driver spool up when no high performance programs are running? When my laptop is plugged in, my 7970m fan runs and after a while gets pretty loud. This never happened on older drivers. If I go into CCC to the switchable global settings, I have A/C power set as "optimize battery life" and battery power set to "force integrated". On battery, I have no problems with the fan spooling up, it's only when plugged in. I can temporarily make the fan stop running by using the max fan FN key and turning it on and off. Anyone else having this problem? I might try a beta driver to see if it fixes it.

 

They go off when you max them because temperatures drop.

Have you checked that your settings don't change depending on when it's plugged in/on battery?

 

If you have a problem with CCC or anything else do like that :
download the new AMD uninstall utility->uninstall->reboot

download the new clevo driver for 7970m 19/01/2013->install->reboot
download 13.1 beta5-> install [check anything EXCEPT CCC ]
reboot : enjoy your nowbetterthan680thatcostanadditionnal300buck GPU.
optional : you may install the latest intel IGPU (mine is .2932, fixes some video stuttering and playback issues)

BUT, I still have Far cry 3 bugs like many other , I didn't install the CAP profile maybe it's the problem no ?

 

Don't install cap. The latest betas should have more updated profiles.

 

Has anyone tried 13.2 beta5? I would like to see some benchmarks of the 7970m with these drivers, because i might install it. Is it working good? Any problems so far?

 

well not much to report on the beta5 when it comes to the changelog (compared to beta4):

"Crysis 3 multi-player Beta: Improves CrossFire scaling by up to 40%
Far Cry 3: Improves performance up to 10% at 2560×1600 with 8xAA
New 3D Mark release: Adds CrossFire profile support for the new 3D Mark release under Windows 8"

 

Installed 13.2 beta4, no problems so far, P6559 score at stock clocks, only did one run, everything is working like a charm. BUT there's still microstuttering in skyrim
Also, i used this guide, which is awsome, this way you can avoid using driver sweeper or anything like that, totally safe.
how to properly uninstall ATI/AMD Software Drivers for Graphics Cards.

 

It is a bit off-topic but I have a question. Will the upcoming 8000M-series be designed the same way with Enduro like the 7970M? In other words: do you think you can turn off Enduro in the upcoming models? I don't hope so because ATI might forget to enhance our machines then! Even though 13.2 runs fine, it is still not perfect.