ATI HD 6990m

I knew Ati was cheap but I didn't realize it was that much cheaper. Now the decision to wait or not. Now is this just you guys selling it at that price or is it a definite price point for all reseller? Would this almost mean that the 485m (if it still available) even become cheaper (same price as the 560m)?

Why would anyone buy Nvidia Card then, what are the certain advantage with Nvidia beside having better driver and realiabity and that most games are meant to play on Nvidia.

thanks

 

I dunno, since from what I've seen from the benchmark that the other retailer posted, they're on equal grounds, GTX 580m was higher in Vantage, but 6990m was higher in Mark11. Furthermore it kinda makes sense just looking at 6990m's specs.

-6970m + ~8-10% = GTX 485m
-GTX 485m + ~8-10%= GTX 580m (from a soley 9.3% clock increase from 485m)

the 6990m compared to 6970m is
-Core Clock increase: 680MHz->715Mhz
-Stream Proc increase: 960->1120
-Texture Unit increase: 48->56 (everyone seems to forget about this)
-1GB -> 2GB (this probably won't matter at all)

so compared to the 6970m the 6990m takes quite a big jump in 3 areas, do I think it'll improve performance by 16-20%? most defenitiley (even considering the archeticture differances of the 2 GPUs)

 

All this just mean my buying decision is even harder, wait longer for much better performance or buy now I get great performance, such is life.

 

I bet the following:
In the end, 6990m will turn out faster and cheaper !

Now all we have to do is wait and see if i was right.

 

Hey

The pricing on the site is what we are selling it at. Remember we don't resell anything, we get our own parts and put them in Clevo shells. So I don't know if / when / how much the Sager resellers are going to be selling it or carrying it at.

The pricing on our site is good and we've reconfirmed it a couple of times to just make sure =)

 

well your already 50% right, it is almsot $200 cheaper...faster? well that's what's gotten everybody's panties in a bunch. I predict equal performance to GTX 580m faster in some games and slower in other games.

 

the 6970m was 2gb as well and as far as 3d mark 11, i don't know what kind of rig they were using to test that, but with my 485m i was able to get much higher than even the 580m according to notebookcheck.net i was able to get 3520 total score in it so they must be doing something wrong also they were doing the test in a desktop with a 2600k.

 

So I decided I'm going to get the 485m because another month would mean my whole summer in school gone wasted. The price differences of the added saving of 200 dollars cost is not the worth the wait for 1 months. Now if it was 1 or 2 weeks, then I can resist the temptation but as of now, I am derive of a any sort of game for close to a month now. I am not one to buy the best of the best, as usually when it come to graphic card, I only buy the second best or third best. Beside it still not better than my Desktop HD5850 in my computer which was destroy in an accident if anyone is wondering why I'm not with any games.

 

I think it is sad to see resellers rush out to say this card is not available, implying that there is something off with mythlogic having them up for pre-order.

The wording is never "WE haven't got them". Why is that? Instead it is along the line of no reputable company has got them.

In my opinion the sub text if the quotes posts is simply: "Don't buy from that company, wait until we get it - it is safer"

Am I wrong about you resellers' motives in this case, or is this the real reason why you were all so quick to point out the cards are not listed from sager yet?


Anyways, I'm looking forward to see if this card can run in my "old" w860cu

 

Thats makes sense , thanks for the info

 

I'm pretty sure the reason why only Mythlogic has it for pre-order is the fact that everyone else is a Sager reseller, meaning they HAVE to wait until Sager gives the go first. Mythlogic, being independent and building their systems right from Clevo shells, has the ability to offer them beforehand. Other resellers feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but this is just how it seems in my eyes. And NO, I am not biased because I purchased my system from Mythlogic.

 

and since we dont really know if xoticpc and powernotebooks will have the same price for mythlogic, since mythlogic makes their own prices, it will be nice to be able to price match and lower the price in xotic pc, since mythlogic pc's are more expensive due to intense processing and testing

 

Actually, the more you add to a Mythlogic lappy, the cheaper it gets as opposed to the competition

 

That's true, but I think his point was that 2 of them mentioned clevo

 

Why is there such a delay on the 6990m with Sager? The 580m was ready virtually as soon as it was announced. I see Alienware has it available already.

 

Maybe because Dell strike an exclusive deal with AMD and get a headstart ?

 

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

Dell has dibs until August.

 

Interesting email I got today
Introducing the AMD Radeon HD 6990M

 

I beg your pardon, but your information is almost totally incorrect.

First off, Intel has it's own chip foundries and produces it's own silicon. Intel does share some of it's fab tech know-how with TSMC but TSMC does not produce CPU for Intel. As Intel does not produce any GPU their CPU production can't hold back GPU production.

Second, Sandy Bridge is 32nm (like Llano) not 28nm and the only reason why CPU generally use a different node size than GPU is because CPU arch is more complex and only makes standard full-node die shrinks (i.e. 45nm, 32nm, 22nm). GPU, on the other hand, used to be (before GPGPU) less complex and had a faster refresh cycle (every 6 months or so) so they are also manufactured at half-node shrinks (i.e. 40nm, 28nm) to save on development costs. This may create an appearance that GPU shrinks are lagged behind CPU shrinks but it has absolutely nothing to do with GPU having to wait for CPU to be done with the manufacturing equipment.

In fact, in almost every case, CPU and GPU aren't even manufactured at the same foundries. Intel makes it's CPU at it's own foundries, while AMD makes it's CPU/APU at GloFo and their GPU at TSMC, along side Nvidia's GPU. Though it may change next generation if/when GloFo picks up production of AMD GPU, currerntly the only CPU (or really APU) that's manufactured at TSMC are AMD's Bobcat processors, which were specifically designed like GPU to use half-node shrinks, and some ARM processors....but those CPU/APU have never held up production of GPU and won't in the future.

As soon as foundries announce they are accepting designs for a new node process, GPU are already set to start working towards tape-out. TSMC and GloFo started taking designs in the 2H of last year for 28nm, and Nvidia and AMD designs were validated shortly thereafter. Both GPU companies are now rumored to have their 28nm GPU taped-out and are set for production by the end of the year. There has been no wait for CPU to get done with the manufacturing equipment, that time-frame is just how long it takes to get new chips produced on a new node.


What you kind of almost got correct in your explanation of chip foundries is the effects of volume on the pricing GPU manufacturers get from foundries...but you got it backwards as it's typically been Nvidia, and not AMD, who has bought higher volumes of silicon from TSMC because 1) Nvidia's chips are significantly larger than competing AMD chips therefore requiring more silicon wafers to produce the same number of GPU and 2) Nvidia also produces Tegra at TSMC.



So back to _Cheesy_'s original question.....the reason why Nvidia's GPU cost more than AMD's GPU is mostly the fault of CUDA. Not only has Nvidia flipped the bill on CUDA to it's consumers (both public and business) because they weren't able to generate enough in licensing fees to pay for development on their proprietary API, CUDA is also responsible for the extra transistors and complexity that make Nvidia's GPU larger than AMD's (367mm2 for GF104 vs. 230mm2 for Blackcomb) and therefore more expensive to manufacture.

 

@Phinagle,

+1 rep, awesome as always!

 

While it maybe much cheaper, you can't go wrong with the 580m. You buy Nvidia for the piece of mind and knowing that your card is supported by all if not most game developer so in the long run, it less hassle. It no fun being able to play Assassin Creed II only on DX9 while Nvidia user get to have DX10.

So don't regret it.

 

i wont regret my buy, but the difference between the cards will be soo small that the 6990m will probably be the top card. and will also be cheaper.

 

DELL, my first cuss word on this forum. Seriously greedy company just make me so . Well that settle it I will never be buying anything related to Dell or Alienware ever I'm so off right now

The censor in this forum is hilarious.

 

How long before we know how good the 6990m is compare to the 485m?

 

We know 6990m is better. That's about all. Look for some benchmarks from Alienware owners since they can get their hands on it earlier.

 

I like the detailed analysis from Tom's Hardware. That is what I am waiting for.

 

So we KNOW for sure that it is better?

 

it will undoubtedly be better than the 485m, but know one knows if it will be faster than the new 580m.

 

It will be faster then the 580m ... I mean, no we don't have one to test. But everyone has said Tom's Anandtech, Engadget, all say it will be faster.

I am sure there will still be a couple games the 580m outperforms the 6990m on, but overall the 6990 will be faster.

 

yes but I believe the gtx 580m will probably be more overclockable than the 6990m.

 

agree!
can 580m onwers post their 580m highest oc?(pass vantage/11)

 

really aduy ... lots of people are running over 30% Overclocks on their 6970m 850 Core 1200 Shaders ...

the 6970 is crazy OCable ...

 

and thats with stock paste and drivers ...

 

How much better????

 

ok mavke checked the bios, 580m have 0.80v, 0.85v, 0.87v and 0.92v(unlocked)

 

Release in September...say What?!?

AMD Radeon HD 6990M announced - Notebookcheck.net News


UMM ...

 

yea I can't see how thats true since people have ordered with dell and have delivery dates, I think Mythlogic also has 6990s available shortly....

 

I think it just refers to widespread availability.

 

Thanks for your info + repped

 

That's only according to what they're hearing on German availability.

 

I sure hope it isnt September! thats to far away!

 

vee vill be recieving das amd hd 6990 und vee vill take over zee vorld vith our new hot running cards vee vill cause global varming.

 

We are finding that the drivers are not good for the 580M for benching. Esspecially for the SLI 580M's. Hopfully soon we will get the certified ones from nvidia
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Very interesting considering the OC stats on the 6970 .... What are you using if not certified ??

 

o.o how reputable is that source?
Is it safe to order from them?

 

These guys are the former founders of AlienWare.
Personally I've never bought anything from them ( seem a little pricey) but I know people that have and say they are great.

 

Origin was founded by the original Alienware staff that left after the Dell takeover.
I just bought a P170hm3 from them and they delivered an outstanding service and made all my extra wishes possible. From custom airbrush and 1866Mhz RAM over CPU & GPU OC covered under warranty and no extra charge for zero dead pixels to no OS option.

Can highly recommend them...would suggest to drop them a line.

 

The standard 26849 default drivers from Clevo. These are old drivers that were modified. The newer 275xxx drivers are not working even with the modified inf , up to now. Hope someone can come up with something but if not we will need to wait on nvidia.

 

Are there any evidence to show that the 580m is actually better than the 485m?

How can the 6990m be better than the 485m when the 485m is better than the 580m?

 

where are you hearing the 485 is better, from what im reading the 580 IS a 485 that uses a little less power and has a bit of an overclock done to it.