ATI HD 6990m

no one ever stated that the 485m was more powerful than the 580m. the (as of yet unverified when it comes to 6990m) numbers show the following picture:

6990m = ~10% more powerful than 580m
580m = 8-10% more powerful than 485m

all at stock clocks and under ideal conditions (newest drivers, etc.)
but as stated before, were still waiting on trustable 3rd party figures on the exact performance of the 6990m. in general tho, u can be pretty sure that the 6990m is the fastest mobile gpu (soon) available on the market

cheers

 

I still don't see any evidence that the 580m is better than the 485m.

 

By your logic would I be able to over-clock the 485m to make it run the same as the 6990m?

 

not by a fat chance.

the gtx 580m is better than the 485m, no questions asked, just see some benchmarks around

 

so why can u overclock a 485m to a 580m but can't 6990m?

So waiting for the 6990m is worth it? Will there be a significant differences between the 6990m and the 485m?

 

all we have is estimates and guesses, but sofar it seems the 6990 is between 15 and 25% faster depending on games if people are right. at any rate it will certantly be faster as the 6970 traded blows with the 485, sometimes the 6970 was faster by a bit, othertimes the 485.

and by spec and clockspeed alone the 6990 should be significantly quicker than the 6970

 

Hey Guys,

We don't have full benchmarks to release yet as we have to get approval, but I think everyone will be pleasantly surprised. I can tell you at least at this point that 6990m CF > 580m SLI, still working on the non SLI/CF benchmarks, can't fault us for trying the big-daddy first heh.



Please note thats tested not with simulated anything, thats a real pair of 6990's with a real pair of 580's

 

the 6970m is a 6850 and the 6990m is a 6870, there are more rops, more stream processors, and higher clocks on top of that.


the gtx 485m and the gtx 580m, have all the same specs with a slight improvement on whatever, so it boils down that you can overclock it to the gtx 580m, or at least try.

 

Nvidia need to ditch the whole CUDA/humongous size/transistor record they have going on if they are gonna compete with AMD. About the same performance between 6990M and 580M, and the AMD GPU is much much cheaper.

It`s pathetic really. "Oh look at us, we make big strong cards that output lots of heat and cost unnecessary extra $".

Just face it Nvidia. AMD have you beat in performance/price ratio and you should consider redesigning the GPUs.

/rant

 

Poor Nvidia. Tried to trick consumers with a slight clock improvement, only to have all of their thunder stolen by AMD a week later with an honest GPU upgrade.

 

I'm pretty much sold. The only doubt remains for when it is actually, properly released.

Mr. Mysterious

 

What TDP are we talking about here btw?

 

Exactly how i feel.

Nvidia tried to launch a new gpu, with very very minor improvements, while amd did something worth addind a new number to a gpu.

 

so now Mr. Mysterious is the Greatest_Of_All_Time (GOAT)?

 

What're you talking about?

I've always been the greatest of all time. And I'll continue to be

Mr. Mysterious

 

thats an alpaca.

so how about the tdp of the new card?

 

I, too, and eagerly awaiting that specification. If its over 100w, I'll be heading the 6970m route (which is available, so times-a-waste'n).

 

Yes, please methlogic, since you have it in your hand, what is the TDP of the new 6990M ?

 

Actually I've had nothing but trouble in terms of amd mobile gpus overheating or getting too hot....

price/performance is the main thing that amd has over nvidia... everything else is a pain in the ..

 

what is tdp?

 

thermal design power (or point, depending who you are talking to). It's not the max wattage the part will draw, but references how much heat (in watts) the cooling system will have to expel under predicted use.

 

which laptops can/will support this?

17" only?
Or perhaps I could see it on a np8150 or something of a similar 15.6 design?


i hear it draws 300+ watts or something and thus it'll be a tad hard to get on smaller laptops

 

Nowhere near that high. Those numbers are from Crossfire (read: 2 cards) configurations and include the entire laptop's consumption (Cpu + everything else).

The current 6970m is supposedly 75-100w, my concern is if they go above 100w with the 6990m.

You should be able to fit it in a 15.6" notebook since the 6970m has been, but again, not enough info.

 

According to Wiki, TDP is 100, though I think you can take that with a grain of salt.

Comparison of AMD graphics processing units - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

Found this on a Russian website and couldn't believe their results

AMD claims that the Radeon HD 6990M competitive solutions faster by up to 25%. Of course, this is a direct allusion to the superiority of the GeForce GTX 580M. Comparison was carried out in the following configuration: Motherboard Asus M4A89GTD PRO/USB3, CPU AMD Phenom II X4 965 (2.4 GHz), 4 GB of memory type DDR3, operating system Microsoft Windows 7 64-bit Ultimate, driver AMD Catalyst 8.861 RC1, NVIDIA Driver 275.33 WHQL. The screen resolution was equal to 1920 x 1080 points, the magnitude of the superiority of Radeon HD 6990M was:

Dragon Age 2 at 4AA/16AF -> 23.69%;
Total War: Shogun 2 at 2xAA/16xAF -> 10.36%;
Aliens vs. Predator at 2xAA/8xAF -> 13.19%;
Batman: Arkham Asylum at 4xAA/16xAF -> 16.85%;
ET: Quake Wars for 8xAA/16xAF -> 25.82%;
Just Cause 2 at 0xAA/2xAF -> 14.22%;
Left 4 Dead 2 in 0xAA/0xAF -> 8.30%;
Metro2033 at AAA/4xAF -> 11.40%;
The Chronicles of Riddick: Assault on Dark Athena in 4xAA/8xAF -> 15.32%;
Wolfenstein MP for 8xAA/16xAF -> 16.59%.

 

ummm....this was debunked by AMD themselves quite some time ago.

anyways

More than likely, the 6990m will be using 100w. And yes, it can fit anything 15.6" and above.

 

What's it like though?

Proving the naysayers right or wrong in that "it'll produce too much heat" and "ati only provides power and cost. you're left to your own in power consumption/heat/etc."?

 

I hope this is not a repost: http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/item/23450-amd-hd-6990m-is-less-faster-than-gtx-580m

The bottom line is that the HD 6990M is still faster than the GTX 580M and it all comes down to the price, which is, by the way, still on AMD's side.

 

TDP on this bad boy is 100W solid. Its going to be hotter than the 6970m was under normal usage, but its also more card there.

 

myth u said it was faster than gtx 580 sli, but how about just single gpus

 

Oh nice, now just have to wait for resellers to actually have stock to sell.

 

We are working on that part as fast as we can =P

 

100W TDP? That is strange because the TDP of 6970M is 75-100W. With an increase in cores and frequency, I would expect more like 100-125W ish TDP

 

100w is all the MXM slot is rated for. We'd need to have a new revision of that standard to go higher. I'm personally hoping that mobile GPU market doesn't require more power to the MXM slot, but instead can shrink the process enough that power consumption stays the same or shrinks while performance goes up (like how CPU's have been going for years)

 

didnt DGDXGDG post somewhere that the specs on the clevo barebones rated their mxm slot to power cards of up to 125W or something like tht? (definitely higher than the standard 100W) lets see if i can find his post....

cheers

 

Okay.

Hm, are AMD using a different core model than earlier, somewhat more power efficient than the 6970M model? The 6970M have a heat output of 100W when it is running max, and the 6990M with 160 more cores and 35 MHz increase in frequency of cores don`t break the 100W barrier. Great feat if that is the case.

 

It's the same Barts XT core at 40nm.

TDP is not an exact number, it is the heat generated at PREDICTED "normal" use.

The 6970m was somewhere between 75-100w, whereas the 6990m card is solidly in the 100w camp (according to Mythlogic). Keep in mind that it's the same video ram, minor clock increase (5%) on gpu, and extra SPs aren't necessarily going to raise the power requirements in a direct linear curve. Also, you could probably make up some of the difference by playing with the voltage.

I agree with Malibal, going beyond 100w is an undesirable shortcut as opposed to die shrinks and better engineering on the part of Nvidia and AMD.

 

well the slot is only "guaranteed" to be able to put up with 100w continuously, but the reality is that it can probably handle something closer to 130w, because they have to take into account that people will overclock their cards, especially if the system has good cooling, and it wont be using the maximum wattage the entire time.

 

Will a notebook (NP8150) that contain the 6990m be the same price as one that has a 485m?

That all I want to know, thanks. Any reseller inputs would be greatly appreciated.

 

No, it doesn't.

As far as power consumption, it consumes 20W less than the GTX 485M, under full load.

The 6990M consuming 100W of power is understandable.

 

We have the 6990m at +$25 over the 485m fyi.

 

Yes I know. I was wondering how much cheaper was the 6970 compare to the 485m?

 

"No it doesn`t"? Why? Why are you mixing this with power consumption? TDP of 6970M is 75-100W. Shouldn`t 100W be when it is in full load?

 

That's just it though. The 75-100W figure came from NotebookCheck and Eurocom, and that range was given in reference to power consumption, not the heat output.

 

Aha, ok. So what TDP had 6970M then?

 

The 6970m had a TDP of 75W

 

I'm still trying to decide between the 6990m and 580m SLI for a new M18x (join the club, I know).

I've heard that AMD cards have trouble running Crysis 2, a game that's fairly high on my list for this year. I saw some Crysis 2 DX11 workarounds posted for the 6970m CF, but it all sounds like a pain in the .

Do people think the 6990m CF likely to have the same issues, and if so, will updated drivers resolve them or do they stem from something more fundamental?

Thanks in advance!

 

I am in the same exact position as you. Was torn between both the Dell MX18 with either 580SLI or 6990Crossfire or going with slightly higher end parts with the Sager X7200 with a slightly higher price. I am leaning toward the Sager and the 580SLI (depending on the ship date they give me) simply because I feel if you are going to pay that much already, you might as well go top of the line...and I have used Nvdia for years, am already familiar with their update process, understand their control panel, have never had any compatibility issues that were not super quickly fixed (other than the 3D with WOW when Cataclysm came out)....so depending on what the MALIBAL folks tell me on Monday..I will probably just go with the 580SLI because the performance difference between the two are negligible and it WILL vary depending on the game anyway (especially after driver updates) despite what everyone is preaching on these forums.

 

I'm getting really frustrated now but when will third party benchmark be up? Unless they get the chip before hand, I expect three more weeks for it to be up?

 

From reading the Alienware forum, it appears Dell is up to the old tricks of making it very hard to install drivers that don't come directly from Dell. I think there may be less headaches sticking with Clevo. I had a Dull once and went through this driver nightmare. Never again.