ATI Mobility HD5870 DDR5 GPU's VERY SOON...In a Clevo??

man! to say the least! i would have hurried up and got that one....and the way the harrier jet was just eating them other planes up. and that top gun move...diziam!! looked real good.

 

LOL! Yeah, I know...... I got excited about it too, until I researched it, then bubble burst! But hey, maybe it's a preview of something good ahead.

 

i take that as a " i sure hope so"

 

YEPPER! That would seem a HUGE waste, if it doesn't evolve into something more.

 

ASUS has it...why not Clevo????

"The ATi Mobility Radeon HD 5870 3D Graphic Card with 1024 MB GDDR5 VRAM delivers remarkable performance and an unsurpassed acceleration for spectacular gaming. Experience a more fluid, more detailed, more realistic 3D high-definition while playing the game or watching movie. Never a moment of delay to occur, feel the excitement!"

http://www.xoticpc.com/asus-g73jha1-p-2731.html

 

Perhaps Clevo are going to show them up in the near future with a crossfire model (fingers crossed!). Hell I'd love dual 5870s for my M980NU

 

ETA late Jan 2010!! oh boy! thanks for the info!

 

128 bit bus IMO

 

Hopes' Shatterer!

 

Hopefully not, even with GDDR5 that'd limit them some!

 

but also reduce power and cool them down


DDR5 reduces power aswell

 

Reducing the bus wont really cool them down, it'll just make them cheaper
The desktop 5870 is 256bit, as is the 4870m so I'd rather have that haha

 

so would i but i am prepared for the wost

 

Well, even desktop 5750 performance would be good if I can get two of them. Id like something a little more potent however.

 

AMD site is posting the ATI Mobility 5870 and more...

http://www.amd.com/us/products/notebook/graphics/ati-mobility-hd-5800/Pages/ati-mobility-hd-5800.aspx

 

Soviet wins. Flawless victory.

 

Yeah right... Meet me at CES tomorrow to pay me!

 

It all started here...

GDDR5 is a FACT for this ATI Mobility HD5870.

 

This baby so far looks good against the 280M in gaming...

 

4870 were GDDR5 as well...hehe. Seen any around lately?
There are so many facts, starting from wolves climbing up those trees billions of years ago and including your 920XM with 4 cores @ 3.7Ghz and my M17X stutter free in windows thanks to Dell and Nvidia

 

Now you practically made my day, ROFL...
Seriously, this is scary. People actually fall for such things...

 

It's still faster than the GTX 280M, 'bout time really

 

25% increase... finally some improvement.

 

Will be interesting to see some crossfire vs SLI results. If the crossfire looks like it scales well vs SLI then Im sold (if they come out for us!)
Looking at that average about 25% increase, theoretically more with DX11/10.1 titles overall,so if crossfire utilisation is also higher than the last round of ATIs (has been on desktops) then they could be quite a nice setup.

 

Still, I think the performance jump from 7900 GTX to 8800 GTX was considerably more than 25%... I think it was like 75%. So in a way this is not that impressive.

But in a way this is expected. If in the desktop segment manufacturers can use ridiculous amounts of power and generate a lot of heat. In the notebook sector this is limited to 75W ( might go up to 100W with MXM 3.0).

 

My personal experience -

Go 7950GTX (OC) & Intel x7800 (stock) in M570RU - 3DMark max score 6010
8800M GTX (OC) & Intel x9000 (OC) in M570RU - 3DMark max score 11760

= almose 100% improvement (obviously some of that is due to the cpu, but still)

 

An option in Clevo - 360M or 5870.

http://www.santech.it/shop/articoli.aspx?idArt=39

 

That's what I am saying. There are hardly any revolutions in the notebook sector in terms of performance.

 

On the Notebookcheck website I found this page relative to the 5870.

It reports a 3DMark Vantage P result: 7260 or +11% relatively to my 280M (P6551).

 

Shavenrat, is your score of 6551 with physx on or off? I've been out of the mix for a while, so I really can't tell.

 

Look at the resolution, it's not standard, it's 1366 x 768.

 

Ahem, nowhere does it say 1366 x 768.

But I've answered my own question. Based on 5750/5770 scores, Mobility 5870 will score just around 7000 GPU marks, and that's all that matters. GTX 280M is somewhere around 5600. 20-25% increase, generally speaking. CF setup will make a mockery of AA benches.

 

Ahem, do your research.



Interestingly, Notebookcheck has it down as 1280 x 1024, but the actual picture states 1366 x 768.

 

NotebookCheck got the score from AnAndTech's benchmark seen below:



Edit: Seems I'm too late.

 

For those of you not following the ASUS thread on the new G73, there is a lot of disappointment/annoyance around the fact that they used a lower than standard resolution to test, and in their other bench marks that show it's 20-25% faster than the 280m, they apparently never even used a 280m, but rather a some desktop version and down-clocked it to 280m speeds.

Fishy, but they are trying to sell their product and create hype... easy to look at the numbers and say WOW NICE, HIGH FIVE! But it's not as easy to look into the details lol.

Honestly, for actual numbers we need to wait until someone gets a demo unit or first shipment to compare fairly. Not this sneaky marketing BS.

 

Okay correct me if I am wrong:

1280 x 1024 = 1310720 pixels

1366 x 768 = 1049088 pixels

1310720/1049088 = 1.249 = 1.25

It means GPU render 1.25x more pixels in 1280 x 1024 resolution.

According to Anothergeek GTX 280M scores 5600 points.

GTX 280M perform 5600 x 1.25 = 7000 points in Vantage

Woah it was way long but useful right? From what I see here HD58xx sux in Vantage...


PS: GTX 260M in Asus laptops (all of them) are hadrly underclocked, perform <20% less than regular clocked GTX 260M!!!

 

That silly, exclamatory sign conveniently covers up the GPU score. But when you look at it mathematically, 1280 x 1020 is 25% more pixels thans 1366 x 768. And given that both are rather low resolutions, 1280 x 1024 should lower the score approximately 10-15%.

If you want to link performance on a more logical basis, look at it this way. 128 bit + GDDR5 = 256 bit + GDDR3. Assuming this is true, (but it really isn't that easy), it would take 640 shader cores and 600 mhz core for a 128 bit GDDR5 Ati GPU to be within 5% of a 280M. The 5870 has a 700mhz core and 800 shaders in this case, so it will inevitably be a bit faster

 

reason:
as mr moo put it.... NDA
as i added to it...
1: the res isn't true to form because of that...(speculations)
2: they covered the gpu for the same reason..(speculations)

once that is over with...we will see the real resolutions and scores surface...(more speculations)

 

It may be a bit faster... sure, but nothing to be too excited about.

 

funny thing about these chips...
the 4870 was slated at barely making 11k gpu when we all said the same thing (nothing to get excited about) but after plenty of time to tinker and driver updates... that 11k gpu jumped up to 14k gpu...so....if the 5k series follows suite....then expect those numbers to go up over the time they actually hit the street to 4 months after their release...
in my book...that is quite the jump to be had....imo. coming from benching laptops and desktops.

 

This is true the cards will score higher as drivers mature...but no matter how good these cards get they could have still been better with more hardware in the GPU.

anothergeek pretty much said it right in the GTS 360M thread...this is a battle between mid-range cards...both Nvidia and ATI have essentially eliminated the notebook Enthusiast line.

 

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the gpu is there...what's not there is the vrm's to push the gpu to where it needs to be. the vrm get far hotter than the gpu it self. this is what's going on with the 5970's and the 5870's...so it's pretty safe to say it's going on with the mobiles.... it's not the gpu keeping it from performing...it's the vrm's..(my observation and the fact that my vrms get up to 150C on air.)

 

I think you missed the point.

No matter how good you can get a HD5770 running you can get the HD5870 running better right? Because it's got twice the SP and twice the memory bus.

If you can tweak one GPU you can also tweak another GPU with more SP and a higher bus. You may be able to close the gap between the GPUs but you won't be able to overcome the difference entirely.

 

this could be following the i7-920 vs i7-975 extreme...just because one can over clock past it...doesn't me it works on gpus....lol

 

Is already a clevo with the Mobility 58xx announced ?

 

So far, from what I know, only the italian Clevo reseller has put the 5870 on the W860CU.

 

Looks like this is it...
Read this: http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/01/17/nvidia-gf100-takes-280w-and-unmanufacturable/

Looks like Ati will be king for a while.

Edit:
Based on this info. I would assume that Nvidia's response to the ATI Mobility 5870 will be something based on the G92 architecture but on 40nm. It will take a while for Fermi architecture to get to laptops.

 

I think the only certain thing is that we shall have to wait to see until Cebit.

Unfortunately with things here and there at the moment, its a little awkward to make wild speculation. There may even be a higher end ATI part announced (would be nice to get a higher shader part!), however if Nvidia has an announcement for new mobile parts, Cebit would be the perfect platform to launch from. It really depends on what Nvidia comes up with, if its just another G92 clone then we may struggle, if they manage to use a lower GT200/210 based core, with a relatively decent shader count, then we may still be in business, not to mention ATI may offer something stronger (the 5870 mobile is rumoured to be at just 60w of the the mxm3 75w allowance)

At the end of the day, the ATI cards arent really even on the market yet, so its not like we dont have time on our side, and Cebit is only a few months away. Clevo ALSO traditionally use Cebit to launch new systems, so as they partner heavily with Nvidia, I think that'd be the perfect time for a new launch.

Semiaccurate I tend to find just that, Charlie has a nack of pulling things out that are true, or in the right direction, but hes not always there. That said Im not really expecting a Fermi based mobile part in the next 6 months or so anyway, never was.

 

Yeah, I pretty much share your view.
What I can say more is that ATI is planning a desktop refresh somewhere in summer 2010 which might lead to a mobile refresh as well.

 

DEFINIT NEWS, after my bad experience http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=452053 i found out from my reseller that the new W860CU revision model will have ATI 58x Directx11 graphics card for sure. Im returning my w860cu due to fan problems...