Any information on the new Clevo P7x0ZM?

I crack up the more I see your excitement explode for each step towards this, I"m just imagining that when you get to excited you just crack open a canister of LN2 abd pour it over your head to cool down xD

 

Liquid Nitrogen bath for everybody! Gotta cool down the hype before we explode! Being frozen alive is much cooler than being blown up from overheating overhyping. No pun intended XD.

 

well, what can i say? gotta keep myself entertained somehow to pass the waiting time, right? might as well use it to plan ahead

and HELL YEAH im looking forward to this baby! *runs away screaming like a madman and jumps into LN2 bath to cool down*

 

You won't be alive if you did that in real life

 

depends how long u stay in that nice cool bath @protective warm gas layer

so dont be such a wuzz!

 

just chatted with Aftershock PC - they have no clue when they will have this beast available...
alienware takes forever to release their 980m notebooks
gigabyte dosnt seem to release their CF1 with german keyboard layout
nuw just playing the waiting game till BlackFriday and may just go with US/UK keyboard if a good offer arrives for any of these laptops...

 

Eurocom's Launch date says Jan 3. Did you hear back from bluemobility?

EDIT: My sis said she won't give up her MBAir. Damn it, that makes it difficult for me to get both the SG and ZM.

 

just switch out her MBAir with the SG during the night, shell probably start wondering after a while why her computer suddenly became so much more awesome

 

Do you really need both? Be a bit patient and don't waste money on the SG...

 

Oh, I'm just playing. It's been a long wait for Batman

 

Hmm, it appears Eurocom does not offer a thermal compound option? Also, is it me or are their prices somewhat higher than the rest of the resellers?

Also RAM CL10-11 instead of 9 is what I'm seeing in the options... not that it matters too much. The specs for the ZM claim that they'll be offering 2133 ram though (assuming CL12). But really, ram seems to cost more than the 980M lol.

 

Nothing personal against Eurocom but you can do better with other resellers price wise if you have a little patience.

 

For Haswell ram speed (bandwidth) >>> latency. 1600 CL11 and CL9 makes not a single iota of difference even in memory specific benchmarks (it makes half an iota of difference). And no don't bother upgrading your ram from the resller it's always going to be a ripoff. Much better to get as little ram as possible and do your own upgrades. Personally I'm planning on going with an absolute barebones P751ZM -- no OS, no storage, no ram, and hoping to shave another $200 off of the price.

As for Eurocom, just look in the reviews section to see why you should avoid them.

 

everything what n=1 said

hm eurocom mentions a launch date of jan 5th on their specs page. maybe thatll be the official date from clevo?

 

I thought that if you buy RAM with lower CL latency you get a better OS response? (I'm still rocking a Q9550 with 1066 CL7)

 

Nah, there was a test made by Tom's Hardware with different RAM speeds and latencies and they proved that same speed, different latency RAM don't change anything in real life gaming, like 1-2% frame increase for lower latency RAMs.

Low latency is useful if you use only iGPU I think, where you don't have the big advantages of gDDR.... Or if you run memory-heavy operations, like storing a DBMS in RAM, which it's a thing you'll never see in a real life, average customer scenario.

About the OS.. with a lower latency maybe you'll open a cached program one nanosecond earlier. But the bottleneck for OS responsiveness is the HDD, and that's why I recommend everyone to thrash their mechanical drive for a solid state one.

 

iGP loves bandwidth all the way.

 

Not sure if previous architectures were more sensitive to memory latency, but at least for Haswell, you need 1600 CL8 to match 1866 CL11 at least in terms of latency, but otherwise the 1600 loses out on all other metrics.

You can also check out the other tests they did in that review, but I suppose the most relevant ones would be the application tests and gaming performance. As you can see for gaming it really doesn't make much of a difference at 1080p, and for memory intensive applications going from 1600 to 2400 nets around a 10% benefit.

If you're benchmarking faster ram also improves the physics score in 3DMark as well.

 

So... this is a slim 17inch machine right? Sorry, I haven't been up to date on laptops for a while and I can't find anything on the laptop.

 

Nope. It's 15 inch. A 17 inch version will likely follow but no date or info has been given on it.

As for thickness, if you consider the macbook slim, then this is about 3 macbooks thick. So not slim at all.

 

So, it's pretty much like the desktop CPU thick workstation laptop?

 

It's about this thick: http://www.ehomeupgrade.com/wp-content/uploads/apple_mac_mini_unibody.jpg



And it also houses a desktop CPU.

 

So is Batman ever going to come out of the shadows? I've been following this thread for awhile, but all I'm seeing is convoluted jargon too complicated for my current level of knowledge.

 

Ah, so it's just like that other thick 17.3 in clevo they got.

 

No its thinner than that, thats a bit thicker lol. It's about half the thickness of that other thick 17.3 clevo they have.


Bad metacarpus bad! See how he easily misunderstood you? You're gonna start rumors again LOL xD

 

Lol sorry :'( It's kinda hard to gauge the thickness from the few pics floating around. But according to the specs sheet it should be about as thick as that pic of the mac mini.

 

Spec list?

 

Love how the nickname batman laptop has come about. I kinda lost interest in this laptop for it's thinner brother, but if you guys want I'll try to go through the thread and add important information to the OP, with credit to who ever found it of course, to avoid repeat questions.

 

Appreciated, it seems people always jump to the end of the thread and ask all the questions that are in it, I"m sure if you added up the amount of times these questions were quoted, we'd have about 5-6 pages less than what we have now lol.

 

I don't know why people expect this laptop to be thin. A laptop housing an 88W (at stock) desktop processor, if properly designed, should be the very opposite of thin. The fact that it isn't thicker than what it is in that preliminary spec sheet actually concerns me. But anyway I digress.

 

It will be thin for housing a desktop cpu. The p570wm makes the alienware 18 seem thin and light ^_^ this machine will still be reasonable without the alienware gimping that's going on.

 

please do fluffly-raptor, would be nice to have all the info in one place its funny though, u taking care of the ZM thread and me updating the OP for the P65x owner's lounge

 

The thinness drama going on is quite funny. Until 2 years ago my laptop was a XPS M1530, which has a whopping 35,5mm thickness. I used it with a 9-cell battery though, which alone was about 7 cm thick, doubling the thickness of the laptop... and the laptop was still considered pretty thin.

Due to the P750ZM's 35,7 mm max thickness, the maximum thickness will be 0.2 mm more than this:

which seems pretty reasonable to me.The minimum thickness for the ZM is 7 mm, while the XPS was 23,7 mm, so the overall thickness is in favor of the Clevo.

Anyways, I'm still pretty undecided between this and the P651SG, but if I'll opt for this little beast, I'll go with the 65W 4790S. Less heat means less noise, which is still pretty important to me.

 

Just reposting my question before. does anyone know if this laptop can accommodate quadro cards? lets say for example k3100m? among the 4k screen options would the samsung panel be worth it? I know the sharp is better but i don't want to pay extra for it if i can get the samsung one.

 

This may not be known for sure until this model is put up by Sager or other builders.

 

Do the screen that goes over 1080p require any scaling to be made by the GPU driver?

 

i dont see why not, seeing as other clevo models with mxm slots also accomodate both geforce and quadrp cards

the gpu and/or gpu driver dont need to do any up- or downscaling, they support the 4K resolution natively (if that is what u meant). but if u want to have more performance, you can always downscale to smaller resolutions in games (or do downsampling from virtual higher resolutions than 4K in order to get an even better image quality, although that would result in crazily crippled performance, even on a maxxed ozt version of this machine )

edit: btw, awwwwwfully quiet in here....everyone just sucking their thumbs and playing the waiting game, eh?

 

Not much to do till more information is available, other than to reanswer the million time asked questions in here from people that are in a huge rush to know why we're lacking info from something that isn't even out yet

Or the occasional " YOU CALL THIS THIN? Double you Tea Eff!! IS RONG WITH U PPLZ" <333333333333333333 that one

Blue mobility's been posting tons of sales etc, and anticipating their new SLI workstation rigs for 2015 ( late ). X99 / 980 SLI etc. Also w/ the p651 dangling over everyone's heads I can see why people are anxious to make a jump on something. I'm ALMOST tempted to order one myself then return it for the p751zm once its out, however out of respect I'd rather not do that intentionally, seeing as I've already returned one (non intentional just wasn't up to par ) else I would.

I'm sure not everyone checks it as religiously as us

Oh! I guess there is an update, official word is now Jan 7th on arrival. Slight possibility of Sooner but way better than Jan 15th, hopefully this means they're just making alterations etc and is for the better and not the worse due to the new generation this will bring us.

 

Well... I'm just looking at parts now. SSDs, RAM, Screens.

The GSKILL 32 GB 2133 Kit is $369. I was hunting around to see if there are better options. Gotta keep myself entertained

Found what seems to be the historically low price on 1TB Samsung 850 Pro - $550 on NewEgg, if anyone is interested. Amazon has it at $599.

And, I won't lie. I'm tempted by the P651SG.

 

Official word from?... Clevo, BM or other resellers?

Me too... caught by the urge of buying something, today I spent 180 € over the Sandisk Extreme Ultra 480GB on Amazon. Good Black Friday deal. At least my new Clevo will surely have a good SSD.

 

Unless you actually need 32GB of ram, stick with 16GB for a slightly snappier system. Also may potentially give you more OC headroom on the CPU since the memory controller isn't bogged down as much.

 

It really won't make a difference to the user experience to have 2 extra dimms either way unless you need that extra 16gb.

 

Thanks. Suppose, I get a 16GB (2x8GB), can I add another 16GB later? I was thinking there was some reason they are sold as 32Gb "kits" or 16 GB "kits"

 

32gb shouldn't have an issue w/ hampering your OC , 64gb on the other hand. that requires a bit more tweaking and I'm speaking from first hand experience

@Redbytes that's the word from Clevo to BM atm, BM is our only current vendor atm that seems to have information on anything. However a few other sites have been noted by others to make mention of it in January, BM was just the first to go public with it.

@Flamy you bring up a good question:

The reason kits are sold as 16 or 32 gb is mainly to eradicate any incompatibility should one decide to upgrade their RAM in the future, since RAM sticks are binned and often changed out the #'s change and I"m forgetting the name of this number off the top of my head however I will answer this in full next break I get, should you say by a 16gb pack then say in 6 months buy another to make it 32 if that 2nd 16gb pack has a diff number, there can be a mismatch OR timing issues with the 2 sets, HOWEVER this will 95% of the time ONLY be seen when OC'ing, so if you have NO intent on OC'ing your RAM at all, and leaving them @ Jedec standards such as 1333 or 1600 (whichever they are ) since the 2133 is actually their profile, then you should have 0 issues. I ran into this issue w/ G Skill last year, bought 1 32gb pack, then a few months later after I started to build bought another 32gb pack, and BAM to many issues becuase they didn't match ( same brand, sets , timings, etc HOWEVER diff dates ) so I had to open up an RMA w/ G Skill they had me purchase ripjaws instead a 64gb pack and sent me a check for 700$ after showing a proof of receipt.

Anywhoo w/o all the detailed info it might look confusing SO I"ll make sure to get this to you shortly, that or meaker may chime in w/ some of the hidden wonders from the realm they dwell in eternally

 

u can just pop in whatever 8GB sticks u like, as long as theyre rated at the same speed so that theres no forced slow-down its fine

@lunaP: thx for the updates, as always interesting to know the nextgen X99 SLI rigs will take so much time to actually arrive! wouldve expected it to be a bit sooner...

at the moment, im busy selling off all the parts of my old laptop, happy to report that im gonna make significantly more money on it than expected (and more than i spent on repairs!), so I can use that money as a nice starting point towards the ZM

also, still lurking around the net getting as much info as possible on the 4790K concerning temp. tweaking. lets see what i can get out of this baby...

edit: dayum, playing around with 64GB SO-DIMM kits, are we? and IM supposed to be the hardware maniac, huh? btw, just noticed we´ll gonna have pretty much identical configs with the ZM. just gotta go for the 4K, then itll be perfect! *lures you into the magical 4K-land*

 

If you need 32GB of ram then by all means go for it. If you don't need that much then don't waste the money. Remember more sticks = more varaibility, and you are limited by the weakest link for OC unfortunately.

In any case I already have 2 kits picked out that I know will do 2400 - a GSkill 2x4GB kit that can do 2400 CL11, and another Vengeance 2x8GB kit that could do 2400 CL12. Now I'm not entirely sure if the Vengeance refuses to post at 2400 CL11 because of the sticks themselves or due to the IMC in the 4900MQ. Should be interesting to see what the 4790K can bring to the table.

 

the IMC shouldnt be a bottleneck, seeing as desktop RAM kits clocked at 3000+ are available already also, the P65x series are able to go up to 2667 (according to Prema), so the only problem should be finding sticks that can actually hold up to such clocks

 

That just means the sticks themselves are certified to go up to 3000, you still need a decent chip with a strong enough IMC to pull it off. Case in point: my absolute turd of a 4930K won't even run 2133 with 32GB, and 2133 16GB is still wonky, so I've resorted to running 1866 for now.

The other thing to keep in mind is the non-E desktop chips are limited to dual channel. So if you plug in 4 sticks you're running 2 banks per channel in dual channel mode and not quad channel.

 

are ur sticks able to reach higher speeds though? might as well be them not being able to do more than 1866, especially with four sticks in quad channel.

and lol, sorry to hear ur cpu is such a turd not a good overclocker then?