Any information on the new Clevo P7x0ZM?

lol yeah the sticks are rated for 2400 so they're definitely the problem

I'd say my chip is below average, needs almost 1.4V just for 4.5GHz, and that's about as much as I can push it.

 

is that mythical IM 16GB DDR3 sodimms ?

 

Hey pals, this is a nice powerful laptop thanks to the 900s support and the desktop cpu. I'm looking for a new upgrade soon and this would be an option. I would have prefered if the cpu was not soldered on though at least not for this kind of laptop. I would have liked a np8268 replacement with a new non intergrated mobile i7 instead to be honest and as far as desktop options go I think a lower watt tdp broadwell or skylake desktop cpu with 6 cores would have been ideal if they wanted to do desktop cpu.

I love the 4k display but to be honest its not really that practical right now for most people since most apps are doing more than fine at 1080p and most displays including full 3d displays games and tv's are just starting to actually use all the 1080p. Unless I needed a real portable workstation there is not much practicality for this. I wish it had a dvd drive and more user com options like a thunderbolt port and or pci card slots. The z97 chip series for desktop is nice but compared to the mobile chips the only advantage I see is price. The top end version of the desktop i7 4790k has a higher tdp draw 88w and a lower graphics base frequency of 350mhz from the intel 4600 while the 7810mq has a lower tdp of 47w and a higher base graphic frequency of 400mhz on the mobile version of intel 4600. The smart cache is higher on the 4790k 8mb but its only by two and there are other options for the mobile cpu such as the 4910mq if thats needed on current clevo models. I hope this does not replace the p150sma models. The battery is less than what I wanted to see and if there is no 12 cell option I will be let down again. Clevo seems to not understand that bigger battery options are what most people would want.


On a more optimistic note Im really impressed on the form factor achieved here since it looks pretty darn slim on a glance. The mxm upgradable card slot is always a good thing and it may give a bit of hope to people who have current mxm's that since the mxm gpu is used in this new model that mxm b may be used for more years to come since this is a newer model. I also like the design its a mix of modern flash and old school low profile. And I like the simple keyboard design with the gaming arrow keys. I am watching this new one closely despite the pros and cons I mentioned. The deciding factor is going to be the price and clevo usually has very nice competitive pricing.

 

Who said it was soldered? People are waiting to order low end chips and delid while reapplying new chips. If you find misinformation on the forum please let us know so we can correct it.

You can get an external bluray drive which is more practical in most cases and allows for better cooling in others due to the area being freed up. As for the x9x series they will be out end of next year if you'd rather wait. As for the p15x models these are replacing them, ( p15xEM -> P15xSM -> P-15xSMA -> P7xxZM ) at least this is the word down the line from a few forums and vendors from clevo, and the other areas are getting their refresh as well.

As for the Mobile CPU's the P15x models are still available if you prefer that route. I'm pretty sure they'll be around at least till end of next year when the GPU refresh comes about, when the w550's get their x99 refresh w/ SLI options and more. Lots to come in the year 2015 which is nice. However Skylake and the rest are still a ways to go from here. Since this laptop does NOT utilize optimus, I think the intel GPU won't matter much unless there IS some form of hardware switching that we're unaware of.

As far as battery goes, this is one of the few reasons people are opting for this model over the p651 variant, as well as the fact it has double th vRAM and options to boot.

As far as the specs go those are from september/october and with the push back there may be a few last minute tweaks which we're all looking forward to, since they mentioned 230W PSU however Vendors are now offering 330W variants, there may be a possibility yet that they might offer more than an 8 cell battery, however that's to be seen upon release. A few of us are ready to go once preorders are finalized, that way we can get some raw data up ASAP

 

I could've swore I read somewhere that the cpu was soldered on but then again I could have misread 60+ pages and a lot of skimming will do that so my mistake pal. I still think I would have loved to see a 6 core cpu option as well as a thunderbolt 2 port for ultimate future proofing but thats not a deal breaker and I only plan on gaming and light video editing. I cannot wait to see the pricing on these its between this and the p15x models at this point for me. a bigger battery option would be great as well as the beefier psu.

 

The cpu is soldered on in the new thin performance series with mobile cpus.

The desktop chips supported in this model are not offered soldered by Intel so it uses a socket

 

Well that certainly changed my tune, glad its not stuck to the mobo, but what kind of options do I have in terms of desktop cpu's ? will I be able to slap a hexcore or octocore i7 on this mama jama or not ? Also I cant stress how cool a thunderbolt 2 port would be dont need 2-3 ports like macbook people but one would be great for super fast transfer speeds or future proofing external gpu options if it was needed if the support for mxm b suddenly stops.

 

TB2 = the new pmcia lol I remember having an External GPU on my old dell work laptop.

I could have sworn that the p651 series had 2 TB ports though it might be reg TB vs TB2, however as someone else stated earlier in the thread that works for the industry, its intel that ultimately decides if they'll put them on the boards or not, so even if Clevo wants them unless they have the form factor or ability to support it out they can't which sucks I know. However ultimately its intel dragging their feet on this since intel doesn't look @ the future, they look @ now/quarters.

As far as the CPU's that you can put in, that's up to the board and what the bios supports, I don't doubt you could pop a 6 core in tbh, especicially if Prema has anything to do with it

The beefier PSU is already being offered

Remember these are only stock options atm, and each vendor will have their own, I'm sure an extreme version will surface with it for a higher price once specs finalized as well as vendors decide what they'll do.

 

I can see why some of you are eagerly waiting for this one it seems like a sweet model indeed I will be watching this one for sure now. The deal breaker will be if 6-8 core cpu upgrades are possible.

The reason im pushing the 6 core idea is because I have had a dual core for more than 5 years and all of a sudden most the games now require 4 cores or more. When the ps4/xbox1 gets replaced or upgraded to ps5 for ex I can see the same thing happening with quad cores and 6 core will be the new requirement. I know as far as this ps4 current generation goes a quad core is all you need and the ps4 only released a year ago so Im sure there is still a long cycle of gaming with 4 cores. Its just that time flies and it was like yesterday when a dual core and 1gb vram was all you needed lol. I guess im uptight because I dont want to come up short again and I plan on keeping my next pc for 8+ years.

edit
aperfectstorm posted this today
http://wccftech.com/intels-6th-gene...spring-15-updates-2015-2016-mobility-roadmap/

it would be great if the p7x's support the new 5th gen series coming 1st q nextyear I hope intel makes the right moves and makes it compatible with the sockets

 

Speaking of that I swear Jay was going beat crazy due to the board in this being able to ALSO accept next gen CPU's as well. Was that every 100% verified?

 

hexa- and octocore not gonna happen, even with prema magic, since the sockets are different (LGA1150 vs. LGA 2011-v3). compatibility with broadwell looks very promising, since intel said their 9x chipset refresh including the Z97 in this machine are already compatible for future core cpus of the 5th generation of course it could be possible that broadwell will bring hexacore cpus to mainstream but i kinda doubt it seeing how its just a minor die shrink...
plus they would be cannibalizing the haswell-e models with an unlocked K hexacore cpu on the mainstream level!

@lunap: well, seeing as the info we have thus far is by intel itself, im pretty optimistic about gen5 compatibility

 

For 6 and 8 cores you'll be looking at the successor to the P570WM, which is still a very dubious question mark at this point.

The P7xxZM will only support a quad core, but I can tell you right now outside of a few selected games 4 vs 6 cores barely makes any difference. Quad cores have been around for like 6 years now, and many games still do not scale beyond 2 cores. I'd say we're at least 5 years away from hex cores becoming a requirement.

Z97 was actually designed for Broadwell if I'm not mistaken, so shouldn't have compatibility issues.

 

And don't forget HyperThreading. 4 physical cores are 8 virtual cores. It will need years until games can use all 8 threads available on modern QC processors

 

very true, theres a reason why lots of hardcore gamers / overclockers are still disabling hyperthreading when gaming / benching / ocing

 

Good stuff,

and the waiting continues. Given its Thanksgiving week not sure what will surface however I"m pretty sure next week some solid info should start hitting the shelves.

As for me I"m killing time on FFXIV AND hunting down a cheap yet affordable ( doesn't exist ) Gaming laptop for a friend, budgets just under 1k, and I think the only thing that meets those standards is the y50 and the g60 msi so gonna probably go w/ the y50 since it has an 860m over the g60 which is an 850 ( higher card for 400$ more though)

I have a spare SSD I'm gonna install in it for her so not worrying there, just looking for a spec barebones, so she can play MMO's and FFXIV, and LoL all at high/ultra settings nothing intensive. So yeah I've got plenty to do. MIGHT make a thread on it if I end up with nothing however so far I"m pretty sure that's the best I can find so far.

Curious what everyone else is doing?

Also even though its OT if anyone sees a good deal or blackfriday deal on a gaming laptop that pushes it to under 1k please pm me.

Anywhoo, if anyone can think of any additional questions to ask shoot them on here and I'll send them to Blue's way on my next email to see if they can poll any new info.

 

additional questions! how abouuuuut....

- is the iGPU completely disabled or will we have a muxed system with a manual switch? (i can guess the answer but heres to hoping! )
- is there an integrated subwoofer? does make a loooot of difference on the P150/P170 series, so i really hope there is one here as well...
- 100% positive verification for 5th gen core compatibility please?! as long as its just CPU microcode related, prema can just manually add the codes to the system bios and were good to go otherwise clevo would be VERY wise in adding them into their stock bios
- ...

maybe ill come up with more as time goes by

 

@jaybee 1 and 3 I don't know, but regarding the speakers I think that's no subwoofer on the P75xZM. The BM spec sheet doesn't mention it but just 2x2W speakers.

 

He was writing out in response to me so I could forward these questions to the vendor/clevo xD!

This is for definite clarification.

 

Yeah, you're right, but I was just saying that the spec sheet doesn't mention the sub sorry if I seem a bit retard but I'm quite tired today

Anyways, I had a little conversation with Tom from mysn via PM. They confirmed me they'll sell the P751ZM (as usual, I think it will be 0 = brushed / 1 = sandblasted) as the XMG U505. Their ETA is "some time in the second half of December" (sic) but they're not guaranteeing any date. Moreover, Tom told me that Schenker had a "significant influence" over the design of the laptop and that they're waiting to have enough P751ZMs to start the preorder.

They already released this interview (in german), which seems to suggest a reasonable price. So... goodbye P651SG, I'm jumping on the P751ZM bandwagon

 

this is awesome! first internal picture of the ZM!!!! thx so much for the link redbytes



so it looks like they revised the heatsink design and do not connect the GPU and CPU to each other, after all

that is, if that is really the ZM, of course...

edit: as it turns out, this is a pre-production model, skip down to see the final design!

 

Desktop CPU's are bit cheaper than mobile parts. However extra cooling and large battery will cost more, so price will be similar to XMG P504. but knowing mySN they might charge extra £50-£100

 

Guys, I have a real goodie for ya´ll So as it turns out, the picture from the German article shows a pre-production unit, whereas THIS picture shows the final design (kudos to the NBR rep of MySn ):



So it looks like the initial leak of the combined heatsink was correct, after all! and that black finish looks veeeery sleek and worthy of BATMAN!

 

I guess we can expect pre orders very soon.....

 

Yeah, mysn confirmed the connected heatpipe to me via PM. Plus they told me:

• Both P750ZM and P751 are going to have rubberized finish. 0 is for silver glossy bezels around the vent exhausts and 1 is for black bezels, much like the P650/P651.
• Support of Broadwell CPUs: is theoretically possible but, in practice, they simply don't know because they couldn't test the laptop with 5th gen CPUs. We just have to hope that the electronics on the P75xZM can handle 5th gen CPUs without any need of a new mainboard revision.
• edit: 2 fan cooling system!

Thinking about the rubberized finish, the pics from BM do not show an aluminum chassis... so the sanded/brushed division I supposed in the previous post was actually completely nonsense.

 

ok now im a bit confused....ure talking about "bezels", which in my understanding has to do with the plastic frame surrounding the display. do u mean the heatsink/heatpipe coatings? that would mean that the 0/1 model differences would only restrict themselves to internal optics/visuals? why would they even bother to come up with two SKUs then?

concerning broadwell CPUs: as mentioned before, as long as its just about adding the respective microcodes into the bios, prema will take care of that and well be good to go

 

edit: double post, damn editor

 

Um, no, I'm talking about the exhausts.

As the P650SE has the chrome details, the P750 will have similar "decoration" -- I used the world "bezel" as I've been thinking in my native language, in english "frame" would be better I think. Like in the P651, these details will be black painted in the P751.

 

aaah ok, gotcha thx for the clarification

totally happy im going with the 751 and not the 750 id hate that bling bling chrome style...

 

Same for me. Soo... are you waiting for XMG too? I'll definitely preorder the U505 as soon as it's available!

 

yep, basically refreshing their website like 20 times a day

 

not sure that the point of chrome bling tbh.

 

They should set up a push notification system that sends an email/sms when Batman becomes available for preorder!

Hmmm well... I could try to write it myself

 

wheres the fun in that? i wanna discover batman for myself!

 

Looks like I may hold off on this one for a bit longer. Looking forward to information on an SLI variant and if it uses only one power brick. Once that info comes in, I will definitely replace my aging P150EM (unless Prema releases that GTX980M bios for it...).

For now, the P651SG will win it for me due to my constant movement and work use. (hardware design in CAD; database monitoring)

I'll be keeping watch here for interesting info.

As for you delidders: I have conformal coating and liquid ultra for any new CPU's... my i5-4670K has been sitting at 4.4-4.6GHz for some time at 71C.

 

mind sharing what kinda coating ure using for the onchip vrm's?

 

Conformal coating is quite cheap. Look on Amazon for silicone based coating.

 

You're using it to replace the VRM thermal pads?

 

huh, i didnt know the VRMs had their own thermal pads under the IHS! i was wondering already if they wouldnt have to be cooled separately as well, since they also get quite hot....?

 

Only for the VRM pins (if talking about conformal coating). Thermal pads? Didnt see any under my CPU for my desktop.

 

Yes. I didn't see any thermal pad under the IHS

 

If anyone interested Amazon UK selling Crucial MX100 for £119

 

haha i like how u keep everyone updated on nice hardware/software deals, keep it up

btw, which size?

 

512gb.. Deal is expired now. Every little helps, so yeah! I'll post when I see one. I brought RAM kit and windows so now keep eye on ssd deals.

 

if only they had a good deal on the 4790K....thats pretty much the only thing im lacking in components

 

Well it looks like I'll be joining the P7x0ZM crew.

The P650Sx doesn't have any ports (mDP/HDMI) connected directly to the dGPU, such a shame as I love the chassis.

Do you expect Broadwell-K to be cooler running (at comparable speeds) than these Haswells, or will thermal density negate the improvements offered by the process shrink?

 

I need to read up on how to get a proper bare die mount.

But I suppose the question to ask is how much would that heat up the GPU?

 

probably not possible with laptop heatsink

 

nice, glad youre joining us iata, always good to have users of your caliber around

i guess its hard to say at this point in time... although reading up on broadwell it sounds like intel concentrated on power consumption efficiency rather than processing power, so heres to hoping! even at the typical tick 5% improvement it would be nice to have significantly improved heat management and thus better overclockability

as for bare die mounting, i actually imagine it to be easier with the laptop heatsink than in a desktop! theoretically, the heatsink screws should hold the CPU in place, thus negating the need to use the stock arregating mechanism which uses the IHS to hold the CPU in place. so if the heatsink screws can be tightened further down to keep the cpu in place, bare die mounting should indeed be possible!

all speculative at this point of course, but fun nevertheless

 

Well you'll need to bridge a 2.5mm gap between the bare die and the heatsink with the IHS removed. (got this number from a delidded 3770K, obviously you'll have to remeasure the exact distance with the 4790K) If you overtighten the heatsink screws on the CPU portion (assuming that can be done) I imagine it would affect heatsink contact on the GPU side. This is why part of me wished Clevo stuck with separate heatsinks instead.

I think adding a shim might be the easiest thing to do if you go with a bare die mount, unless you can somehow adjust the heatsink standoffs on the mobo, which I don't think is possible.

Also you may find this desktop bare die mount guide somewhat useful.

 

Been sick past day and took a sick day today, woke up feeling meh but WOW those pics sure changed my tune!! Feeling much better now! Kudos to Redbytes!

Also @ Jay there's apps you can set up to monitor sites for changes and alert you as soon as something does, I'll see if I cna find it, we used it on newegg and 5 other sites when the Rampage IV extreme black edition was coming out. Love my 4960x <3