Any information on the new Clevo P7x0ZM?

seems like youve got some seeerious hardware lying around at home, much respect girl!

i dont really mind checking every day, its actually kinda fun and ive already integrated it into my daily schedule

@n=1 youve got some valid points there concerning issues with bare die mounting. i dont really see the point though, since i doubt u can significantly improve cooling compared to swapping out the IHS TIM to liquid ultra...besides, with a reinstalled IHS theres still hope for warranty coverage

 

You know I just realized, if you add a shim to the bare die, that's no different compared to having the IHS on there. To get the most out of a bare die mount you'd have to solder the shim to the heatsink. Hmm...

 

What do you think would be the ideal cooler for this laptop? Been looking at the Notepal U2 due to its movable fans, but I don't really know much about external coolers..

 

There's a couple of mention earlier on that require a mod to make it operate well, and then there's Jay's #LN2SolvesEverything2014 and then there was one other that's of high regards which I'm trying to find and will post back if I do.

 

This just peaked my interest again I got horribly disappointed when I went looking for the np8268 and found out they raised the price of the cpu I wanted 4810mq from$35-$135 dollars so im done with that one. So on this new zm model does anyone have a price estimate. I mean from what I see it should be less expensive than a p150sm a simply because the mobile cpu are much more expensive than desktop chips. Im hoping this thing will be in the 1200 range with the 970m included and a 1080pscreen. The 4k monitors and mobile chipsets are making things way more expensive than necessary IMO.

Anybody here want to really open a discussion or just sit around waiting like school girls for a date lol talk to me people.
What do you think the north American prices will be for this thing ? even better what do you think it should cost ?

 

The Polish version converted to USD - came to around $3600 (maxed out specs)

You can check bluemobility.pl and configure and check the converted USD.

 

You sure you maxed out everything? Mine came out to 20414 Zl which is about $6100 USD rofl. I pity the fool who pays that much for a single GPU laptop. To put things in perspective, my desktop cost about $3700, and that's including the cost of peripherals and OS.

 

OK maybe my max is different from your max

 

I know what you mean, and I was honestly surprised to see $3600 for a "maxed out" machine because that just seemed like a killer deal.

Anyway I still wouldn't spend $3600 on a single GPU machine. I'd say $2500 is about where I draw the line.

 

I configured the one in my signature for about 2.2k flat but that's just w/ 1 drive, and 0 RAM but maxing out everything else + the 3 year warrant. So barebones you can get around 2k easily for US$

ANywhoo if anyone's bored if you could chime in your input over in http://forum.notebookreview.com/wha...ase-p-150em-off-friend-another-good-deal.html would greatly appreciate it <3

 

GAH DOUBLE POST OH NOEZ

*Delete me pl0x*

 

I would spend lots if it's going into SSDs. But if not, screw it. I could have easily saved a solid $600 USD on my laptop if I avoided SSDs, but... SSDs.... mmmm

 

What the heck is that outermost heatpipe doing? It just connects CPU and GPU together and doesn't run to a fan. It seems that would just level out the temps between the two.

 

It's what MSI does; technically the hotter CPU could spill heat into the uber-cool GPU heatsink a little. Might help manage the temps of that <S>blast furnace</S> haswell desktop chip

 

2k and up for a single gpu and not even a 300 w psu is waaaay too much money for me pals looks like I might have to go back to the good ol p150 series. I still will watch this one but the more I see new things is the less excited I get im just so let down with how expensive things are especially temporary things like notebooks that only have a good 5 years of glory before they are majorly out done by newer tech. If I want to spend over 2 grand on a lappy I would have bought a macbook pro. Say what you will those things are sleek and resell better than any other pc I know. I dont see trying to sell a clevo I spent 2k on thats a year old for anything more than 1300. Its not a name yet .... to a select few like us that know what it is yes but the average joe wont do it when they could get a new model for a couple hundred more. Thats why I think if im going to spend more than 2k it has to be a macbook. (if I wanted to do such a thing )

After this holiday nonsense is over with I'm hoping to see some better models and pricing early next year. I really hope sager and other sellers in my region will give better pricing around the 1200 usd range because anything more for this type of pc is not for me. I really like clevo prices as they have been the best bang for the buck but what I see is that they are getting more and more pricey. I like the picture of the internals I saw a few pages back that thing is a copper warehouse lol. Even so with two fans and lots of copper I dont see why this would be more expensive than a p15X counterpart. Copper is a very recyclable and abundant ore and the thing is in plastic for crying out loud so the price better be lower. Will have to pass if its more than $1800 for a 1080p screen, 16gb ram, 980m, and the least intel cpu for this unit. If the cost of the desktop cpu's are less expensive then my only hope in getting this is that these zm units spec for spec will be a better price than the current mobile p15x models. One thing I know is that waiting is always the best option these prices are crazy high pal. Intel really needs competition lol.

And finally, back to my older post a 6 core would be the ultimate future proof. All the people saying a quad core is more than enough and 4 cores are all thats needed I heard already . Like I said when I bought my old hp I asked around and everyone said dual core is all u need they cant even put a quad core to use and I passed up on the first i7 quads for a high spec dual core that was more expensive than the entry quad core. Now 5 years later I cant play certain games since 4 cores became a requirement. Anybody who has a quadcore with 600 series nvidea sli or 7 series single gpu and up should just be coasting waiting for a hex core or octo core affordable notebook not another quadcore because you can still play all there is. If I had a quad core I could still hold out lol. The same will happen to quadcore, In a couple of years there will be dramatic advancements in tech and you will be sitting on a $3000 web browser movie player lol. I am currently typing this on my $ 1500 web browser movie player and it hurts.

 

Dear god do you even read before you start blasting things? LOL This is the 3rd time you've posted after information was given and stated the opposite...
Would you like some cheese w/ that wine?

You say 2k and up for not even a 300W PSU, point out who said it doesn't because I just got done saying 2k WITH

Macbook pros sell because students use them, and they're great for their industry of use, video editing, music entry, but yes you can go spend 2.8k for a 15" laptop w/ 8gb of RAM 512gb SD and only a 750M and call that a winner. Because thats such a darn good black Friday deal like OMG <3

No clevo itself is not widely known, only through vendors like alienware they destroy the image by causing fires in their wake, promoting further smoky the bear commercials due to laptop fires when people are on camping trips.

Nonsense this and that, if you're after a serious rig you're going to have to pay a premium to get that technology to work correct, that's clevo for you, go ahead and bring up ASUS, and gigabyte and MSI and see the issues they have when attempting plastic SFF's.

Yes 6 cores will be great, and we STILL aren't 100% sure if they'll be added or not but I don't know why you keep hyping yourself up over your thought process of what might not be and turning it into what WON"T be then getting upset over something you assumed lol that's just MADNESS this is NBF not Sparta OR patrick.

NEXT up the price is in POLAND, that is NOT the US, so before you start going ape butt crazy in here, WAIT for US prices to surface before starting a nuclear war. SERIOUSLY CALM THE HELL DOWN, stop acting like a korean drama actor even though they technically act like that day to day, just PLEASE cut the drama till information exists,

We've stated it numerous times THERE IS NOT DIRECT INFO till there is a RELEASE, so its great you're voicing your concerns but please don't turn your thoughts into facts and scare off other people into making the wrong choices.

Given how long dual core was out before quad took up it will be a while before octocore comes in, since 6 core is somewhat unqiue and intel usually goes in steps of 2s.

No gaming laptop lasts 5 years and run great, people mostly go into these expecting 2-3 years at most and then some if they update the GPU.

As for the last statement of 3k webrowser and movie player, I think you're going a bit overboard on the exageration, yes things change but not that fast, and the first thing to upgrade after a few years is the GPU NOT the CPU.

Morale of the story, PLEASE read before assuming, newer tech costs more than older tech, and bringing up apple in a clevo argument is auto bounds for negation LOL omg I'm dying xD


Don't worry the prices will get cheaper on these models once newer models come out, that's how production works. Would be 0 point to release something ground breaking at half the price of its previous model, you'd kill sales completely and suffer profit loss...

Depreciation happens, and that 1500$ Laptop you bought 5 + years ago or w/e was probably worth it at the time as will anything of high quality and cost be at the current time of purchase. Such is the downside of soldered models, and you'd be taking the same leap of faith with anything you buy. Lesson learned don't buy it if its soldered.

Don't want to complain every year? Grab the new w550/w350 refresh next year and keep that running for 5+ years, dual CPU's SLI, etc, but then if 16 cores comes out you're gonna probably kick yourself for not buying into an octocore vs a hexacore then...dear god the cycle continues.....

 

^post 666

 

Basically, she's saying:

TL;DR, if you keep waiting for the next best thing, you'll never buy.

Or you could buy a PS4. That'll last a solid 5 years.

 

would u like some cheese with that wine!!!! *rofl* ok, now im ready to start my day, off to work

btw michaelknight, everything uve asked has already been discussed in the thread, thats why were so quiet and waiting like schoolgirls

 

The hex core being more futureproof than a quad core argument is a flawed one. Why? By the time you'll actually need a hex core to run games --as in, you simply cannot get over 60 FPS without one -- hex cores will have long replaced quad cores as the norm, and will be priced accordingly. Right now you're still going to be paying a premium with hex cores. The 5820K definitely makes hex cores more affordable, but the X99 platform right now can only be described as price-gougingly expensive, and X99 isn't coming to laptops anytime soon.

So yeah sure you can buy a hex core now at a premium. But let's say 5 years down the road you actually do need a hex core. Well guess what even at Intel's snail pace, your hex core in 2014 will still be very antiquated compared to the hex core in 2019, so by the time you actually NEED hex core you'd still be better off just buying the hex core in 2019 rather than trying to cope with the hex core from 2014.

This illustrates my point perfectly: CPU Performance: Five Generations of Intel CPUs Compared

Just look at that $990 Nehalem i7-965X get ripped to shreds by a $243 i5-4670K (I'm comparing price at release to make things fair). To put this in perspective, the Nehalem i7 has hyperthreading, the Haswell i5 doesn't. Yet even in multi-threaded benchmarks the i5 wins a majority of the time, and with a huge margin no less. And if we moved up to the $350 i7-4770K that does have hyperthreading, well let's just say the 965X needs treatment for severe 3rd degree burns in the ICU.

Now this isn't exactly the best comparison because the 965X is now 6 years old, and also because this was back in an era where Intel actually cared about improving CPU performance. But nonetheless I think this drives home the point that if you're buying more expensive stuff to "futureproof" because you might "need it 5 years later", don't because you're only wasting money.

As to why I have a hex core, because I do stuff like molecular modelling (think Folding@Home on a much smaller scale) that requires every last drop of CPU performance.

 

And as Luna and I discovered tonight, and as n=1 knows, I will settle for none less than a 4.5GHz 5960X and will use every drop of it in streaming and video rendering in x264, among various other things XD

 

tl;dr version

TO IMPRESS PEEPZ on twitch!!! HRNGHHHH *flex*

 

That was some kick back lol, worthy of the 666th post as it was a "hell" of a retaliation.

Here today gone tomorrow is the quote from a wise man who waits, and that same man can turn into a fool if he waits past opportunities.

I rather be fool because a fool with patience eventually becomes wise yet a wise man with no patience is bound to be foolish.

And no thanks on the ps4 lol

I know some people are excited and whatnot but please lets remain calm here, everything I said was opinion and how I feel just like how your responses are also mostly opinion as well. The fact remains that while there is still things we don't know yet its our forum duty to chime in with our own expectations and opinions based on our desire for the product whether we agree or disagree.

 

Gotta flex dem CPU muscles! #LowBitrateWarrior

 

#downloadMOARGHz

 

A colleague of mine has the i7 5820k 6 core and let me say this I witnessed how that thing crunches games and processing and let me tell you if you see one you will understand why if they made a laptop with a chip anywhere close to that I would want it. You would like it pal, I tell you a cpu like that with a nice gpu would last 8-10 years. More cores are always better a hex core @ 12 threads with 15mb smart cache is no joke brother dont be fooled. And thats not even the 8 core yet. If they made a notebook with a broadwell/skylake 6 core and a tunderbolt2 you better believe you will be more than ready for whatever will come after ps4 and you will be video editing in 5k with no worries brother.

 

@michaelknight: solid answer, its true that well just have to wait when it comes to pricing as the others here im staying pretty positive though that this system is gonna turn out surprisingly cheap! id say ill probably spend LESS money than i had on the P651SG order which i cancelled for this beautiful beast of a machine as for CPU performance, u just wont get anything comparable aside from the P570WM MONSTER (7.3 cm thickness at 6 kg!!!!) in that the 4790K at STOCK will wipe the floor with even the fastest mobile cpu (= 4940MX). add to that a bit of tinkering to keep the heat in check and off u go into performance spheres where the 4790K is actually even competing with current hexcores...

@luna: just noticed your new sig *lol* is that in preparation for opening up the owner´s lounge, maybe?

 

Don't forget to #downloadmoarRAM

Diff club just updated again made it more bold, to many sissies. I'm against the vogue types lol.

@Michael, noones mad just offended you're completely ignoring the information we're giving you, and yes we're all here to state our opinions but you're more than coming off on things as if they were factual which is what I"m trying to get you to calm down on , I was simply mirroring your method of speech, experience is the best way to get the message across when words simply don't cut it <3

noones made here x3

However a fool that waits forever will only continue to quote the fool, thus amongst thine foolish self thine will forget all attributes and never escape the endless flow of reality.

 

More cores are only better if the apps can take advantage of the extra cores, otherwise you're limited by how fast your single threaded speed is. A hex core would be great for video editing, streaming and number crunching and the like, but many programs are still unbelievably single threaded. Additionally the number of games that scale well beyond 4 cores I can count on two hands, so buying a hex core just for gaming is a huge waste. I have a hex core 4930K @ 4.5GHz so trust me I'm well aware of what it's able to pull off when you can leverage those 2 extra cores.

Also, my main point was buying the more expensive item "now" to futureproof "later" is an exercise in futility. If you need that extra power NOW ok great get it by all means. Heck even if you buy it just because you want it that's also fine. But please don't buy anything with the notion that you're "futureproofing". As I've shown above, the $990 flagship chip of 2008 gets utterly annihilated by a $250 mid-tier chip of 2014. What makes you think the hex core of 2014 stands a chance against the hex core of 2019?* Heck who knows by 2019 you might even be able to purchase an octa core for the price of the 5820K.

*the correct answer right now would be that Intel might be a bit too pre-occupied with "efficiency" and improving the iGPU for their own good

 

I read your earlier posts I think you made a wise move cancelling and waiting it out bud whatever happens after this will be little or no regret for ya brother believe me. I was also about to pull the trigger myself but I feel better waiting it out and I know patience is a virtue.

 

The desktop based systems tend to have both for Clevo. The beefy cooling let's them clock pretty high and get two extra cores. Not many mobile systems can maintain 4.3-4.5ghz clocks or even the 4.0-4.1ghz haswell based core equivalent. This system as quad wil likely be "efficient" for the clocks you are getting and gaming performance.

 

Gaiz lets not grasp at straws here and just get back to actual factual information, and waiting for this beast to come so we can dance around praise , cry, make fun of if needed and by then a new laptop will be announced and then people can go make fun and push their vision of the future in there as well, this cycle will continue until 2019 till someone comes back quotes this and gives a big fat "TOLD YA so" I'll volunteer to take bets and hold the funds in a safe paypal account until then, and you all can place your bets on who's gonna eat their words, or cores, or w/e the hell we even use if we're even still alive by then #northkoreaohemgee

 

By 2019 we'd still be using cores, but by <del>2029</del> 2039 we'd probably be using our own neurons instead via neural links.

On a more serious note, we're running out of factual information to post here, so we resort to much ado about nothing for our own entertainment.

 

Even without the 6 core this new clevo zm series is going in a direction I like @ luna has one hec of a machine on preorder. Like I said if the price is right im there too. If this thing has the capability for those things I mentioned then your looking at a multi gen laptop proofed for a solid 8-10 years.

 

Yeah umm if you overclock that 4790K and push it real hard I doubt the CPU itself will last 10 years lol

I know for sure my 4930K isn't, since I'm running it at 1.39V for 4.5GHz.

 

Look pal, the 8-10year proof is only for the things I was talking about before which would be a chip similar to the 6 core 5820k or a newer broadwell 6 core because believe me that 12 threaded beast does not need a overclock anytime soon. The 4790k or even the s will get a solid 4- 5 years of top notch performance which I will settle for only if the price is right.

 

Crap IMC huh? Saw tons of those in my club..and I'm sure you've tweaked the living hell out of your settings too huh? Mine hits 4.5 @ 1.25v however I can't get any higher than that no matter how high I scale. Was hoping mine would go higher for winter purposes to heat my room up a bit, but now its just a damn chill box .3. and the odd thing is you're running 16gb of RAM so there's nothing to really hold the CPU back....

YOU do have however an easy way out you could sign up for the Intel OC club its like a 1 time fee of 30$ iirc that way if you asplode your chip or RMA it they'll replace it w/ another HOWEVER its a lottery you'll have to bank on as well so hopefully you'll get a better binned chip.

This was another reason I went w/ the X chips since basically the way they're binned is the X chips are the ones closest to the center of the wafer, granted the price gap is huge, however nothing wrong w/ the K either, as I may go for that nexttime depending, though I probably won't upgrade till Cannonlake or after given the way skylakes going however VOLTA <33333 HNGHHH

 

Desktops can actually use less voltage when overclocking compared to the p570wm due to the lack of vrm control options.

 

Just wondering what the attraction was of a desktop cpu. From the arrival of Skylake, whatever you have may as well be a soldered Haswell (non-changeable) and it seems we're practically skipping broadwell in terms of problems and delays. Games are not too CPU dependent so you get a load of cooling unknowns with desktop cpu in exchange for 2-3 frames per sec in some poor ports, and upgradeability all the way to ....... July. Or am I missing something?

 

Quite a bit actually

 

mmmmm yes and no

ive got several pointers here:

- how many laptops are there that support desktop cpus, especially in such a (comparably) slim form factor?
- how many laptops that support desktop cpus can actually do so with two cpu generations, not just one?
- no matter which laptop u get, ull end up with "just" one year of upgradeability, and that only if u get it RIGHT when it comes out
- not everyone here needs the CPU power for gaming. i for one am working with gargantuan excel sheets at work on a daily basis, where i have to do some serious non-linear regression analyses, which hugely profit from any kind of RAM and CPU performance i can get my hands on
- performance-wise, a 4790K is crushing and will crush any mobile counterpart for several years to come, thats what i call future-proofing! add to that any performance-jump one can get from a broadwell-upgrade, even if its just a (comparably) slight one, but the same will be true for mobile counterparts
- mobile soldered vs. desktop socketed....no need to go into this one any further
- even if u do play a lot of games, the cpu will provide sufficient performance not to bottleneck any potential future gpu upgrades u might want to install into this machine. currently the 980M is already bottlenecked by the 4710HQ in some games, for instance!
- as for cooling unknowns: true that, but youre always gambling with those unknown factors with each and every non-released product. some of us are just not afraid of tinkering with their systems, so even if stock cooling sucks theres still a bunch of options open to us

@ZM-crew: feel free to add any additional points

TL;DR = see Luna´s post before

 

Well I'm into flight sims so CPU is important, however they all seem to throttle lately (the cpu's not the airplanes) with some of the popular add-ons. Also I find even 17' is barely game-able, so the prospect of waiting until realistically February ? for a P770ZM (given the advantages you listed) a bit daunting. Might just stick with P170SM-A and tinker with pasting and undervolting its 4810...

 

In my opinion P170/177 is a great notebook. If you cannot wait till next February it's a good choice. You can swap display panel to IPS.

 

Jay already knew what I was gonna say lol, Wonder twins power activate~

but to note additionally on the above mention, for those that play heavy MMO's which a large chunk of gamers have theirs, CPU is a very important factor. You can have the best GPU out there but if you're CPU can't take the hits you're gonna flop. Over time hopefully GPU's will take on more of the load but until then its heavily CPU dependent in those realms.

Another note is if you're a previous D900 owner then your blood is already beginning to pump as you anxiously await this beast completely knowing what its ancestors were originally capable of

 

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Yeah, I really like the fact that it's been out a while and Clevo have had time to iron out the kinks. I know the machine's +'s and -'s and I'm not taking a risk.

I would happily wait until spring to get 5fps extra on my flight sims IF that CPU a) didn't murder any battery that crossed its path b) didn't throttle thanks to some Clevo Cooling Wunderwaffe and most importantly c) was upgradeable after at least 12 months (whereas it will only be upgradeable until Skylake).

 

to each his/her own, i guess just be sure ure aware that upgradeability is already over on the P150/P170 machines cpu-wise, not just next summer...

 

So, what would be a probable preorder ETA? I remember someone in the previous post making some suggestions based on the timings of the P65x series. Having new info available, can we make a prediction on when will Batman be available for preorder (i.e. not shipment) from mayor EU/US resellers?

 

that was me, actually

first preorders for the P650SE popped up on october 7th when the NDA went poof. shipments started beginning/mid-november, so based on that preorders "should" go online basically any day now with the ETA being anywhere between end of dec / beginning of january... im betting either this or next week, at the latest!

 

Great! That's what I wanted to read hope that you're right, I really want to see official specs&prices... and order my new rig