Any information on the new Clevo P7x0ZM?

will this have cheaper AMD mxm gpus as options ?

 

So what would make this a better choice than the P650SE? It's not immediately jumping out at me but I may just be daft. Is it the processor?

 

The replaceable CPU and GPU make this model enticing. Having non replaceable parts like that on the P650SE means that to get a newer CPU or GPU you'd need to buy a new laptop. The P750ZM allows you to change these parts out.

 

Replaceable CPU and GPU. Can use much stronger desktop 4790K over soldered 4710MQ, plus Z97 chipset means likely compatible with future Broadwell-K CPUs as well.

 

Tell us moar Larry Tell us MOAR

 

No Luna don't die D=.

Wait for the model to come out BEFORE you get the nosebleeds!

 

no optimus

 

It's rumored to cure 5 types of cancer

 

anything more ud like to tell us larry?

 

Am I going to have the option to choose an aluminum body over the plastic one?

 

Forgive me for my ignorance, but would you kindly explain why that is a good thing?

Also, won't the machine get really hot with the 88W 4790K?

 

can overclock display, less latency when running 3D apps (games) and easier to install drivers/uninstall drivers. and the bottom line, intel graphics just sucks in every way possible shy of the power consumption.


we can't say anything for sure about the cooling system until the system have been reviewed by a member here

 

I think most all that can be said is already in this thread...

Like a January time table for shipping this one. What is not confirmed for Sager or the resellers is what CPU's will be available at launch.

Or what exact screens will be shipping at launch on this one. Of course this is for the US. I do not know what will be done in Europe and other areas.

It may very well be the end of December or early January before this is known.

 

Got my i7-4790K delidded and redone. Tested on desktop to watch it idle at 27C...

Now the long wait to see which will be my secondary laptop.

 

loving those idle temps syndal! did u remove the IHS completely and ran the cpu bare die or just reuse it with a different TIM "under the hood"?
also, did u check it before delidding? for comparison?

and did u delid it urself or let it do someone else? razor or vice method?

 

Idle before was 39C (though my desktop is small and has only fans).

I used my own method of a clamp/vice grip (no teeth), wood block, and a mallet (dont try this unless you're not afraid of your CPU flying off). I have the IHS on it still since I dont want to spend time modifying other parts to close the gap.

 

Larry, do you know if there will be a 17" version? There is literally no info about it out there! I'd really love to get the 17" model!!

 

17" Version will be announced in December, and will most likely follow in January or early Feb. There were a few notes / resources earlier in the thread I'll have to find on it.


@Syn you're making me almost want to delid my 4960X on my desktop, since I idle around 25 C given my OC's I'd be curious how much farther down it would go.

Also after 3 measily days of tuning, I'm finally at a point to where Prime isn't causing me grief, so now comes the next few days of tweaking backwards so I have a perfect clock.


@Larry any idea or clues as to why the US is usually late on receiving as of late? Or is it based on whoever sells the most or has the most business with clevo gets sanctioned first? That or just region based I guess? It seems this way as of late from what I've noticed though I've never paid much attention, as back when I first started w/ Clevo the only other contender overseas to my knowledge was eurocom.

 

Sorry no details at all on a 17" version that I know about. I would say at least January sometime to know more. I too wish things would move faster....

Sager and the resellers usually only post pre orders when a shipment is definitely on the way from Clevo China. Usually the ACTUAL ship dates of the new models is about the same as Europe and other countries.

I think last year the USA shipped new models a couple weeks earlier than other areas. You may never see new models posted a month before a ship date. They usually post when they can ship in a week to ten days or so.

 

Larry, I hope you guys are proactive on the screen front. I understand more specs would be required, and yet it would be refreshing to see the US resellers be ready with more screen options like your Canadian counterparts at least (if not the European ones). I get that there is the Sager factor, however I think in the past resellers have been able to mod on their own. Or am I just being hopeful here?

 

I believe so as its the vendors that supply most of the options such as cpu screen hdd odd ssd and internal peripherals.

Aftermarket upgrades such as mods etc are where the resellers make their profit mostly and services HOWEVER unless it states otherwise to warranty FROM the vendor or mfc then the option of offering alternative parts could become available IF the demand is high enough.


At this point you would have to pm the reseller for further information as it cant always be publically divuldged.

 

@LunaP: The 4960X has a soldered IHS, I really doubt you'll see much benefit from delidding. Also that delid is not going to be trivial at all, and may involve taking a flame to your chip

 

yep, was about to say the same thing. all the -E series cpus still have soldered IHS, whereas all other cpus were changed to regular TIMs...

 

Ah almost forgot about that, I remember reading up on it originally prior to its release saying that it was a GOOD thing and would help w/ temps. I do love my chip though wish the IMC was stronger like some, 5-5.2 is much better than 4.5 especially when most of the games you play rely heavily on CPU ( MMO's w/ massive amounts of players, raids etc )

Currently on phase 7 with Prime,first succesful test ran 6 1/2 hours, Kept having shutdowns and didn't know why, then finally traced it out to CPU Inrush and OCP settings in the bios so disabled these and have been fine since. After which I lowered the voltage again and ran for 7 1/2 hours. Running again on lower voltage, lowering my VTT and VCCSA currently w/ .05 lowering on Vcore. 64gb @ 9-11-11-25 (2133), hoping to have this perfected prior to new info for the P751zm. THEN I might attempt 4.6-4.8

So yeah morale of the thread here is patience brings out great OC potential

 

Delidding the 4960x requires much sanding and lots of patience to get through the IHS, not worth it.

 

Ah, so if one insisted on delidding the 4960X you actually would direct them to the "sand down IHS till bare die pokes through" method.

@LunaP: DX12 might be what you're looking for, although you will have to "upgrade" to Win 10 for that.

 

If I can't even achieve 4.8+ on my CPU then I'll have no reason to even consider it tbh. However I"m always up for a challenge, just like when I did my first WC build I went acrylic vs plastic (don't think I have the strength for copper + its not a sexy as clear acrylic imo <3)

As for Win 10 and dx12 , what would dx12 benefit me over or do you mean for the mmo issue lol? Also I read that wasn't 100% confirmed since win7's EOL isn't for a long time. However I'm not against upgrading to 10 as it hopefully will be the next solution for us over 7.

 

Well delidding the normal way will split the die in two so that's no good and using a heatgun is A) dangerous and B) likely to kill the chip anyway.

 

DX12 significantly reduces CPU overhead, making present games much less CPU bound, which should be a significant win for traditional CPU bound games like RTS, MMO, and flight sims.

Macro$haft didn't even bring DX11.2 to Win7 so there's little reason to think they're going to support DX12.

 

Blargh well if tests prove it to be as great as they say then I'll have 0 issues moving over. Either way it looks somewhat promising anyways, I'll have to read up more on it once it gets closer to actual release, since for now I'm sure its plagued w/ issues and bugs until then as any beta is.

 

I've been rocking the Technical Preview for several weeks now on my daily driver. There are a few issues, but overall it's a pretty solid OS IMO.

 

And it should work without any huge issues since this laptop won't use Optimus.

 

And by the time this machine debuts, we should have a solid consumer preview--potentially with DX12.

 

Glad to hear, its about time we have a solution to go to. As far as R2 etc are there any release dates speculated for retail/OEM or is it set for a specific Q for now?

 

Consumer preview should be released at an event in January.

With Windows 8, the consumer preview was released in late February (essentially March) and it went RTM in August, and available at retail in October. I'm guessing we might see it sometime this summer officially (yay MSDN!)

My biggest disappointment with the technical preview is no better solution for some of the problems we're seeing with the high resolution displays and scaling. Given that a lot of machines ship with QHD or 4k displays now, hopefully we'll see something with the consumer preview.... otherwise these high resolution displays don't interest me.

 

Wow does this mean we took a step backwards as I saw most of the scaling issues fixed in 8 since I run it myself and when playing on the 4k displays @ fry's running 8.1, as far as in game scaling I think that'd be up to the developers vs MS since that'd be extending beyond their realm, which is surprising that most game companies don't take this into consideration, other than the fact that they know people shouldn't even be playing in these resolutions to begin with xD

I'm curious how long it'll be before 4k is looked @ the same way 1080p is now. Hopefully Volta changes all of this.

 

There are going to be lots of improvements for hidipi solutions. For example, some multi-resolution resources (like in Android, if there's a developer reading) have already been leaked. Hope to see more in the next previews.

 

So does this mean that win7 requires postprocess scaling for 1440p/greater than 1080p res displays?

 

Not that I've noticed I run 4x 1440p displays and scaling is fine text wise, game wise, and dpi wise across the board. Even 1600p seems fine, so seems to be anything above that.

 

So we'll all have to deal with app-specific issues with high PPI displays. A lot of my apps still have issues with high DPI scaling, and either the mouse is off, or text is completely messed up, way too small, etc. Even though its frustrating to use an application like ArcGIS, I can't really blame Microsoft, so my solution is to just avoid QHD+ / 4k, etc.

A lot of my other frustrations regard how Microsoft implements multi-monitor support. For example, I connect to 4 external monitors with my laptop every day, multiple times a day. If I have a 12.5" notebook with a 1080p display, I want it to operate at 150% scaling, and my 1080p monitors to scale to 100%. Frustrating, but mostly possible to get this functional without being able to manually set scaling parameters on a per monitor basis. It falls apart entirely when you disconnect and try to reconnect later when one of the external displays is set as the primary. It will auto set your primary display to the scaling of the previous primary display (the internal notebook display) forcing a log-off to fix. Windows 10 still forces this. There are several threads on Microsoft's forums regarding this and other scaling issues with high PPI displays.

Another example--being unable to disable display scaling for certain apps (like office 365) makes certain features of office (print to onenote) pretty useless because the scaling is all off. Try searching a PDF in onenote on a device set to 150% scaling....all the highlights are off...way to make a huge potential function of the Surface Pro 3 really frustrating.

They can't even fix the problems in their own applications, let alone create a simple way for developers to write applications that are compatible. This is all in addition to requiring more power (both watts and GPU prowess) to drive more pixels that I can't discern. I get the impression this ultra high PPI phenomenon really surprised Microsoft. Apple has been working with it for a while, and it still leaves a lot to be desired.

 

Totally OT but I just received my SanDisk Extreme Pro 960GB SSD today and MY WORD is this thing snappy. I was half expecting a tad less snap than my 840 Pro since the SanDisk Extreme II I had was just ever so slightly lethargic, but this Extreme Pro lives up to its name indeed. The system now boots 2 seconds faster, and the system just feels more responsive in general. Coupled with a consistency that puts even the 850 Pro to shame I think this thing's a real keeper.

 

Never had any of those issues, and I run multiple monitors @ work, I set scaling individually to each if I need and or just to all and no issue when one accidentally gets unplugged, d/c or disabled when switching the laptop back and forth to the docking station. This is before I installed Display manager which is just a recent addition or w/e that program is.

As for the other problems, even on 7 I've never seen this, I've only noticed as of recent that 8 is really good @ 4k displays and treats it almost as if you're looking at a super highly detailed version of 1080p even in adobe, MS etc though I haven't run 365 let alone have the need to since I run 2007/2010 respectively. We all get Microsoft is a huge joke when it comes to programmers, and the fastest / laziest way of outputting is obviously the best in their eyes.

Apple's been doing this since the Power PC iirc and they've got a great hand on it, though can't say much for 5k series laptops which is just retarded, given their hardware barely supports much to begin with.

Maybe we should just start a huge Change.org petition to get Microsoft to take programming seriously, to actually listen to the masses and stop lying by taking their own feedback and calling it ours. If enough people take action they'll have to respond w/ more BS for us to laugh at. However I'm not as detailed or knowledgeable as the rest of you here w/ your serious complaints, if we were to accumulate all that's been said or have someone write it up it'd be a done deal, then just have someone convert it to lamens so both sides understand that either way they're getting screwed.


As for your comments on Windows 10, not much to say as its still alpha/beta lol, hopefully its something they take action on. For now have you tried 3rd party programs that override the existing scaling/font engine to replace it w/ vector style etc? Did that on my laptop and haven't looked back since.

lol is this based on a new install vs one w/ one? As much as I'm hearing about the sans disk its hard to leave once you're on a brand, probably still going to end up w/ the 850 pro 1tb tbh, unless some compelling data proves otherwise.

 

Cloned existing installation over with Macrium Reflect.

There's no compelling data on either side tbh, the impression I get is the 850 Pro has a bit better peak burst performance, but the Extreme Pro has much better consistency. You can also hit up Ferris23 on his experiences with the 850 Pro 1TB. He's a completely Samsung addict, having owned the 840 Pro, 840 Evo, 840 Evo mSATA, and 850 Pro. IIRC he was actually a bit disappointed the 850 Pro wasn't much faster than his 840 Pro. And if you ever wanted a lecture on consistency just hop into the SSD forum and look for tilleroftheearth lol

 

The problem is that what you claim is actually impossible at present. You can either set all displays to the same "100, 125, 150, etc percent", or use the broken "smaller, large, larger" mess. Choosing 100% for display 1 and 150% for display two is not an option. You either lose the crisp text on the external monitor, or you have impossible to use sizes on the internal and require a log off to make the change. This has been pretty well covered by this point and why it's a problem. I'm jealous if you haven't noticed it before now.

The problem with "choose one scaling level for all of my displays" comes down to windows rendering at whatever the primary display is set to render at, and it subsequently upscales or downscales the output to match the extended monitors change in DPI so things stay the same size. You can get crisp output everywhere if you set ONE scaling level and switch to 100% DPI on the external monitor or 150% for a high res, but in order to change you have to log off in between for it to take effect, and you lose the size consistency Microsoft was aiming for with the "choose one scaling level" option.

If you still don't know what I'm talking about, enjoy the naiveté because once you notice, it's a real frustration. ARS did a great article on the issue when Windows 8.1 first released.

Windows 8.1 and high-PPI displays: Better, but still lacking | Ars Technica

Don't get me wrong, this is a lot better than it was in windows 7, but high PPI displays didn't really exist back then. By the time windows 10 releases, most machines will likely have a high resolution display option. It is inexcusable for this to still not be solved several years later.

 

Ever met anyone with Plextor drives? I'm the only one I've ever seen with them (on any forum), but as far as I can tell my M5M is faster than my 840 Pro, despite apparently using the 840 (not EVO) TLC memory and firmware changes.

 

Further OT: I very badly underestimated how expensive watercooling can get. How bad? $350 spent on fittings alone.

To be fair apart from the Koolance QD4 quick disconnects everything else I bought Bitspower, which is known to be pricey. I also deliberately doubled (and in some cases, quadrupled) down on all the rotary fittings and quite a few other adapters+extenders, so I'm going to end up with at least $150 worth of redundant fittings (for a simple CPU loop), but still I would not have expected the fittings to come out to THIS much.

On the bright side, since I severely overpurchased on fittings I'm probably only 2 GPU blocks away from a full CPU+GPU loop. Originally I only planed to get some redundant rotary fittings just in case because Murphy's law and the thought of putting my loop on hold because gosh darn it I'm missing that ONE crucial fitting would absolutely kill me, so eventually I just went "screw it, I'm gonna buy enough for a CPU + 2x GPU loop so I can definitely build a simple CPU loop in peace".

#firstworldproblems amirite?

And yeah you can tell I'm a total n00b at this.

No idea, although I think the 840 mSATA you have is just the "regular" 840 and not the 840 Pro.

 

I thought for a while about going this route with my 5820k, but the return on investment wasn't there for me... Props to you for persevering. I've had the itch for water ever since giving up my watered down AMD Athlon XP 2500+ back in the day....and to think, this 5820k has double the TDP, but a 2 pound piece of aluminium and copper attached to it instead

 

ONLY 350$? You're cheapin out j/k j/k I"m sure your rig isn't as huge as some lol, you'd turn blue @ my build log .. >.>;;

 

Thank you. This may sound silly but I'd say 70% of it is because it just looks fun and I like tinkering with stuff, and only 30% is for the better thermals. Not that my 4930K needs extra help anyway since even 4.5GHz @ 1.39V the H110 with some nice Noctua fans manages to keep it below 75C when running P95 small FFT.

Plus it just didn't feel right to use an Enthoo Primo case then slap in an AIO and call that "watercooling" :laugh:

Well physically the Enthoo Primo is quite a behemoth, but yeah it's no 5960X Titan-Z SLI 64GB DDR4-3000 over overkill build lol

Although I am very disappointed you got the TH10 instead of the STH10. Such blasphemy.

 

Good grief. Do you have a build thread somewhere?

/OT