Any information on the new Clevo P7x0ZM?

luna usually does that to people

btw, 2016 is so far away that not even prema has any info on that... as for skylake, no idea either! u might as well consult ur crystal ball

 

I couldn't keep the 4800mq in my W230st pegged at boost clocks either when using prime or SAS. Temps were always below 95, but it would downclock to 2.8-3.0

 

Ah, I see. Well, if I don't plan on overclocking. What is the better purchase?

 

Every desktop CPU can keep their Turbo without throttling (as long as temperature is within designed spec). So even if you are not overclocking desktop CPU is better than mobile versions.

 

Completely a personal decision for you.

P650se
Better battery life (~3 hours)
Lighter
Very quiet during light loads

P7x0zm
More processing power

It's whatever you prefer. The 650 is a great machine. I'll probably buy batman when he's available (this sounds kinda creepy?)

 

Most of the time mobile CPU's are throttling due to power limitations

 

Alaskajoel, I'm extremely interested to hear your opinion on how the P650SE fan noise compares to your other exlaptops. Specifically the Y50, RB Pro (2014), Sager P150EM and MSI GS60.

I'm tempted to pick up a RB Pro or 14 on special at the moment, as I love their look and feel. I know the 970m is more future proof, but I'm happy to game on slightly lower settings. The biggest issue is whether the p650se is significantly quieter and cooler.

I currently run with a P157SM (780m) and without headphones on it's.... loud.

Real loud.

 

just received a yummy update on batman from mysn, stay tuned for the owner's lounge where ill include it in the OP

such a tease! *mwahaha* loving it

 

I was going to purchase batman from mysn, but surprisingly Scan start offering IPS panel option. So decide to go with them. This is my 3rd Clevo notebook from Scan and so far experience is very positive.

 

I wonder if that's a limitation on the W230ST rather than the 4800MQ? I've never had problems with my 4800MQ, and I don't know anyone with one of the models I have that does. The MSIs with the GT70 also work fine on 4800MQ and 4810MQs. I wonder if they turned back the throttle point for the W230ST heat-wise in the BIOS? Did you ever attempt it with Throttlestop?

 

Hey Bigspin, do scan give an option to extend the warranty?? Their warranty seems quite limited IMO even though its 2 years as after 1st you have to pay for postage etc...

 

Is Batman more expensive than the 650sg? I like the concept of Batman, but it's like we're getting the old, fat Batman after he retired. He can still kick- , but he let himself go on many levels. His bat-mobile ain't dat shiny, shiny metal anymore, and once again, he is now one chunky, chunky homeboy. Photoshop can only do so much upon receiving it.

 

It's going to be higher priced than the 650sg for sure.



Still worried about that optimus being written on the spec sheet, :s

 

<s>And I love the concept of proper logic and people that think before they puke</s> but Seriously w t f is wrong w/ your people's perception LOL, I"m gonna recommend you some glasses thar, cuz the idiocy/ridonculousness is getting out of hand w/ these references to what thick/thin is. There is NO such thing as paper laptops, go into cryogenic freezing for a few decades then come back THEN the Clevo "Panini" MIGHT be out. I get you're playing (at least I'm giving the benefit of the doubt here that you are) but god damn that is some messed up vision/perception.. -dies-


You officially belong to Group B <3 Congrats! Now go finish your Cambell's Chunky soup!


@Jay when you puttin this up, and give a hint as to what your information is referring to lol, I'm really hoping its specs on the Screen.

 

let me try and rephrase luna´s rant into something more understandable and put batman´s dimensions in perspective here:

ure most likely comparing the zm series to the P650 series, but those are apples to oranges. why? easy

P650 = soldered components, exactly ONE cpu option, namely the lowest end quad there is (not counting the 4720HQ as a second model here, its basically the same as the 4710HQ, so sue me ), no upgradeability so yeah, OF COURSE its slimmer in design, duh! max. thickness is 25 mm for 970M model and 29mm for 980M model

ZM = desktop cpu, i repeat: DESKTOP cpu, mxm gpu (again: NON-soldered component, of course it takes up more space!), BUT, and this is a big (ghetto style) but(t): even though it sports these crazy high end components, its STILL THINNER than comparable P150 series laptops. HM/EM/SM/SM-A series all sport maximum thickness of around 43-47 mm, whereas Batman sports 35-36mm at its thickest! and thats with mobile cpus and mxm gpus! @P150

basically clevo has crammed lambo style performance into a Prius form factor and youre bickering about it being larger and heavier than a smart. i rest my case!

@luna: sorry to disappoint, but its not screen-related ill be starting off our future home tomorrow, promise (late evening here in germany now)

 

Please calm down lol. I was joking. I am primarily more concerned for the plastic body than anything. Before you go on about the pros of plastic too, it's just a preference.

 

It's still isn't clear to me the difference between the 650SG and the P751ZM... Expecialy if you take the same graphic card, proc, ram, etc...
Can somebody explains it to me but with simple words (i'm not an expert) ? Is the P751ZM gonna have lower temperatures?


Edit: Ok Jabee83 mainly awnsered my question

 

You have summarized well the point ;-)

 

Whoa whoah whoah there, put the gun down please... I don't want a fight now, I'm just speaking out as usual, PLEASE do not open fire in this thread. Being able to read here is like having a bullet proof vest mind you ( Jay did take the time to write it out for you). I think you should relax a bit... it'll be ok! We all leave our ammo @ the front desk. Btw in case you weren't aware ( THIS IS JUST TO ENSURE, I"M NOT CALLING YOU STUPID !! ) "Lol" means Laugh out loud, meaning that something being said is being said in a funny way or relaying in a way that makes one laugh, as I put in my previous comment, that way you can sense the assist.


@ Jay looking forward to it and I"m currently overseas so its after midnight here lol.

 

Hey Hey what about the tasty info? Your'e gonna make us wait a month for it?

 

I'll PM you instead of mucking up this thread further

I've thought for a while that it may be an inability of the laptop motherboard to supply adequate current the CPU, especially when over clocked. (Read: not the DC power adapter...I'm talking about the VRMs / MOSFETs / ETC on the actual motherboard) I tried with throttlestop on the W230st and it didn't make a difference.

A couple things suggest a TDP limit to me with these mobile processors...especially when mixed with certain laptop motherboards.

- I have used both a 4700mq and a 4900mq in a P150SM. While using very heavily CPU intense applications (in this case, it was JMP via SAS) I did some modeling on a massive data set. Performing the exact same activity with both CPUs resulted in the exact same 43 minutes to execute the given task. Both were stock clocks, stock voltage, and this despite the difference in frequency and smart cache. Temps were under 90c in all cases (fans full, active cooling pad)

- Using the same scenario as above, I was able to get the 4700mq to actually outperform the 4900mq by undervolting the 4700 by -75mv. It completed the same task in 41 minutes compared to 43 minutes. I repeated it only 3 times, but each trial for each CPU produced the same result. Forcing a 4770k to operate at 4700mq boost clocks results in the task completing in 38.5 minutes for comparison.

- As notebook check reported in their review, the GT70 maintains full boost clocks in Prime95 for approximately a minute, after which it dropped to 2.9, and stayed between 2.9 and 3.1 despite not hitting the thermal limit for the i7 to stop boosting.. If it's not a thermal limit, it is either the processor hitting it's turbo boost short power max limit, or the motherboard being unable to provide enough current for the processor.
Review Update MSI GT70 2OC-065US Notebook - NotebookCheck.net Reviews

It's important to note that it's really rare for a program to tax all of the cores of a processor. Prime is one of the few that do it when you specify 8 threads and small FTT. In most cases, this doesn't really matter to end users because they play games...not Prime95...however for the few of us that run software that does perform this type of load, it's important to note, and it's why i keep desktops around.

It could be any number of factors that lead to the problem, and each model's Bios / EC / VRMs / PSU / etc. are different. Your P370sm is certainly one of the strongest competitors in the space, and likely has some of the best hardware providing current to the CPU Even though, notebookcheck's review of the P370 and 4810mq shows that when just taxing the CPU in a multi-threaded load, it also doesn't maintain boost clocks, only hitting 3.4Ghz when it should be 3.6 for a 4 core load. Temps are within boost specs, so it should continue boosting, yet there comes a point where it stops maintaining max boost. Although, this could be a thermal limit of Clevo's too, since the 4810mq only hits 2.8Ghz when running Prime + Furmark...or it could be maxing the PSU, I'm not sure. Either way, it can't maintain boost clocks full time on all cores. (Note that not boosting does not equal throttling--the processor stays above the 2.7Ghz base clock regardless)
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review...ker-XMG-P724-Barebones-Notebook.114495.0.html

 

Nop. Scan only offer 2 year warranty.

 

Ok i got a reply abour 95% dot free. The 95% dot free refers to the number of dead pixels not the colour gamut, i.e. as standard it is guaranteed to be 95% free of dead pixels.

But screen is still IPS and you can purchase zero dead pixel guarantee from scan.

This mean there's a 5% chance of getting a panel with dead pixels. NOT 5% of the screen

 

This doesn't make sense!
The possibility of having 5% dead pixel for a Full HD screen would be like to have a maximum of 103.680 dead pixels!!
The majority of vendors considers a defect a screen with 5 or 6 dead pixel if I'm not wrong

 

That can't be right.

5% of 2,073,600 is 103,680.

So anything up to 103,679 dead pixels is acceptable.

Lol, I think not.

EDIT: Ninja'd.

 

Nop! that mean you have 5% chance of having dead pixels. Not 5% of the screen.

 

Well, I don't like this either as a "feature". It's like "every 20 orders, you get a screen with dead pixels", it seems very unacceptable.

If so, the could say: "there's an high probability that you will get dead pixels (if you don't pay for the extended warranty)"

Sorry for this consideration in response to you but I want to underline what it seems to me a bad marketing and behavior

Perhaps the dead pixel presence rate has risen in the last years due to resolution increase but in my life I've never received a faulty screen for my PC's, laptop or TV's!

 

Scan have a dead pixel policy. It's ISO standard 13406-2. So if you got dead pixel issue they will replace your screen. All the notebooks I got from scan came without dead pixels.

You always have a chance of getting a display with dead pixels, so 5% chance is acceptable, but if it worse than ISO standard 13406-2 they will replace the screen.

 

That might be the case. When I undervolt my CPU I do get less than 3.5 (down to 3.4) when I'm doing something like rendering in Handbrake, but if I flex the current limits it works just fine. I do a lot of livestreaming and gaming at the same time, and I was always able to get the machine to sit at 3.5GHz constant for that duration, even with an undervolt. Maybe it really is the current limit? When I set the machine to have 100A current limit versus 72 and increased the max power draw it can have, it ONLY ever downclocked due to thermal limits when I was doing Handbrake (in a 15 minute render). Until it had hit the thermal barrier it would keep 3.8GHz stock. So maybe it's just in how the cores are fully used? But this is interesting to note. Have you ever tried both undervolting and increasing the current limit for your hardware?

 

Of course... But it seems to be that consumers are less taken into consideration in such cases... In my case I will end in paying for the extra warranty because it's the first time I will buy a laptop worth 2000€ and I pretend it to be pixel perfect, but if the vendor here in Italy doesn't have the policy and I'll receive a faulty screen I'll return it.

I think everybody would return a smartphone/tablet with a dead pixel (despite nowadays they are full HD and beyond), so why for monitors/pc the situation is different?

Sorry for the OT but in my search of the best model/laptop configuration I have to take into account the risk of getting a faulty screen or dead pixel policy possibility (or obligation, because the vendor obviously send the faulty screens to the customers that don't subscribe it). (A class 2 screen, so everyone without zero pixel policy, could have up to 10 dead "colored" pixels!!! Such a screen shouldn't leave the factory!!)

 

pixel perfect display is not guaranteed. Not everyone is lucky and win pixel lottery. Getting a dead pixel guarantee is the best option and every reseller have their own policy. Most common policy is ISO standard 13406-2.

 

nope, just a day easy tiger, lemme get some sleep first, all this explaining makes one tired ill start the owner's lounge tomorrow

 

You better get it up 1st thing in the morning

 

So scan is offering the 1.5V Corsair RAM (Desktop RAM, right?).

So, I can pick up some 1.5V RAM instead of 1.35? It is cheaper.

G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133 (PC3 17000) Desktop Memory Model F3-2133C11Q-32GZL - Newegg.com

 

Wow, so given what we've seen from scan, this beast is ~10% more expensive than the P650se? Almost the exact same price when configured with a i5 4460 instead of the i7 4790... That's kinda nuts. I'll almost certainly grab one.

 

just abaout the thickness - first i was afraid when i heard abaout 4-5cm thickness till i recognices my actual laptop is 3,9cm "thick" which i found kind of thin...
so the P751ZM will be even slimmer with a "bit" more power (have the Dell XPS m1530 with 8600GT now - dont lought^^)
the new alienware 17 series seem to be soldered with about 3,44cm (before 4.6 to 4.8 cm) and only 4gb vram as are the Asus
so i think if you wanna talk performance/size this clevo will be the clear winner compared tro my former faforite Gigabyte P35X V3 which is really slim but seem not to be able to use the CPU withot throtteling...
and even if the P751ZM will throttle the cpu it will still have a higher clock speed as the non throttled 4710MQ/HQ...
the only real question is if you really can stand to wait till the release... "keeping refreshing the mysn page till it collapses and spoilers the preorder button"

 

Those are dual volt supported notebook ram, slight listing error.

 

Yes everyone would return it if they notice it, however not everyone notices it seems, and you have thousands of screens going out a daily, which would require additional people to sit down and really go through some tests to verify that there are no dead/STUCK pixels. That + they can develop from bumps and other issues on the way. The time spent on this is costly and that puts it on the vendors. The vendors will load it up momentarily to verify all is well and if they see something out of the ordinary like a cluster then yes, they'll swap it out, however given that not everyone is as extreme with this the "no dead pixel" option is meant for people like us that want it perfect the first time. Since again its not on the vender/reseller for the screen, they just process the orders.

I think you're looking at this the wrong way, from the way you're responding I think you're believing that they just ship out w/o a care. Again there will always BE products that slip through because there are 1 - 2 that just didn't show up due to either not being seen or being stuck in a specific color or just happenned to develop. You're not screwed at all you have the power to return/get it replaced, the extra option is just there in CASE such a model is procured to you. It's been like this as long as I could remember. Hell up until recently it used to be you could ONLY return it IF there were more than 5 dead pixels within a specific region, as its more of an OCD thing at this point, but I get it we want our perfect screens, and if we're paying 2000$+ for it whats another 20$ to ensure it passes OUR inspection standards vs the standard public? Next time you're at a business or library, take a look at some monitors I guarantee you'll find dead pixels here or there, but you sometimes REALLY have to look.

The vendor doesn't do this on purpose mind you, so please don't get yourself upset with the wrong understanding.

 

Those are desktop sticks, pretty sure the ZM will only take laptop memory modules (so-dimms).

If you want 2133 DDR3L for laptops both Corsair and GSkill sell them, although Corsair is phasing them out it seems.

 

As per the photos, it should only take laptop dimms.

 

Do we know if resellers plan on offering 2133Mhz modules? Last time I spoke to XoticPC's tech support, their stance on that was that it causes "system instability" so they don't offer that for laptops. However, the ZM is kind of a special case, having a desktop CPU, so maybe they'll change their mind on that... Otherwise I'll probably be buying ram off newegg to replace the one that comes with the laptop.

 

Thanks guys! Still sticking with G.SKILL Ripjaws 32GB (4 x 8G) 204-Pin DDR3 SO-DIMM DDR3L 2133 Laptop Memory Model F3-2133C11Q-32GRSL - Newegg.com then.

 

Kingston also have 2133 kit. I got few issues with Corsair.

 

Scan UK also said the same about 2133 ram. Because 2133 is not validated by Clevo, they don't want to offer anything above factory recommended spec.

 

What is the highest frequency they support? I heard the same thing from Xotic too.

 

1600mhz is the max frequency they officially supported.

 

Hmm... interesting. And how valid are these claims on instability? People here seem to be happy to go upto 2400

In other words, what tests can be performed to test for this 'instability' ?

 

Validation take time and cost money to manufacturer, so they basically stick to the highest speed recommend by Intel and test the system for stability/performance.

You can use memtest86+ to test the ram. It takes time. 5+ pass is usually fine. I always test my ram when I got a notebook.

 

It's more to do with Intel only binning the memory controller to 1600MHz. Anything beyond that is considered "out of spec" although I'd say in 95% of the cases you can easily run 1866 or even 2133 ram, especially with a 4790K.

As for stability, if I really have to I just run Prime95 blend for a few hours and call it a day. In my experience if you don't tweak timings and don't overclock your ram then memory frequency is for the most part a "it works or it doesn't" kind of thing. If it posts and you boot into Windows, 90% of the time you're fine. It's only when you start messing with timings (especially secondary and tertiary timings) that you really have to watch out for subtle but random (and sometimes disastrous) memory errors that are very hard diagnose.

 

what n=1 said. ocing ram and tweaking it to the max stable settings can be quite a biatch, since memory errors dont have to pop up right away as with cpu oc or gpu oc in prime95/kombustor. sometimes 12h memtest is stable whereas two weeks later u get a bsod in windows due to memory error. prime95 with lots of ram usage helps narrow it down though