Any information on the new Clevo P7x0ZM?

You have to run bit of both. In my case Prime95 blend test passed 12+hours , but failed memtest86+ instantly. I got no windows issues unless I try to copy large amount of data (15gb+). If I try to copy large files system either crash or hang for couple of min.

Memtest86+ is using lots of CPU power if you select "all CPU core" test. Temps similar to Prime95.

 

Yes a few chips before 1600mhz was the norm would not even do that, even now the odd chip wont do above 1600mhz.

 

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7364/memory-scaling-on-haswell

Very good Haswell memory scaling analysis from Anandtech

 

Yep I recommend a good 1866mhz kit to people for the best results.

 

Agreed. A good 1866 kit with little tweak to timings will give you good results.

 

Let the games begin

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...ner-s-lounge-welcome-batcave.html#post9860333

 

Yup don't I know it..



Quite a bit to get 2ndary and tertiary timings down solid for my G Skill 64gb, 2400 sticks set to 2133. 2133 is what I was planning but 1866 would be fine as well. Since its only 32gb of RAM though Pretty sure the IMC would be able to handle it however given the constraints on power 1866/1600 would probably be best that way I could really lower the settings on vCore.

About damn time <3

 

(Sorry posted at the wrong thread)

 

Still no word on the availability of the P770?

 

not that ive heard.... if its anything like the P650 series the 17 inchers will likely come sometime in February...

 

Scan UK have them for pre order. Scan 3XS 1721

But it doesn't have IPS display panel.

 

Which sucks... BTW Bigspin, have you called Scan and tried to haggle the price before? Are they flexible on it? My config goes to 1550 and I honestly don't want to spend more then 1400...

 

One guy manage to get a little discount, so worth the try. I didn't contact them.

 

Ok sure thing.. I'm not in any hurry so I'll wait for it to come out...It should be out in Jan so after the reviews, I'll get it from somewhere... I'm not in so much of a hurry since my AW still runs all the games I play on ultra

 

So at this time only polish and UK regions get preorder.

How about the US?

 

singapore as well. germany coming up next tuesday all sager resellers will be bound by sager, who are known not to divulge anything whatsoever or allow any preorders unless they have the machines in stock...

 

They have an IPS option for the 15.6" version. Personally, I'd go for that if it were me buying this laptop. IPS is a monumental upgrade over TN. I can't wait to go back to IPS next week.

 

Thing is I am not too bothered if its a desktop or mobile cpu but the I want a top screen and option to upgrade if possible. I would assume the IPS screen will be great on the P75xZM.

So would it be worth waiting for the P75xZM than getting the p15x model?

 

both offer upgradeability, but with the ZM ull most likely be able to use broadwell cpus as well. as for the rest, the p150 is slowly but surely going EOL, seeing as mobile hardware is tending towards being soldered. also storage (msata vs. m.2 pcie) and screen options (TN up to FHD vs. IPS up to 4K) also speak for the ZM series.

another point would be the waiting time. ive seen lots of people here on the forums who on one hand want to get the most out their machine and thus for their money but on the other hand are too impatient to wait an extra few weeks to get more performance for the next several years! kinda illogical if u ask me...

 

This might be silly but what is is EOL?
Also are the p6 models more slimmer and lighter and the p1 model thicker?
TBH I am not in any hurry I am still considering my options as I want my next machine to last me quite a while plus I will be investing alot of money.

 

English as an Official Language

Spoiler

End of Life actually

 

End Of Life. Basically, they won't offer it for much longer. Broadwell CPUs won't work in it due to a lack of "M" type CPUs for the mobile line (only H, U and Y are confirmed so far) and Clevo have gone the route of Desktop CPUs in laptops and integrated thinner/lighter models to circumvent Intel being dumb and not providing more M CPUs. And the people who jump at " so thin gimme" without caring that the CPU and GPU are integrated and gimped versus the SM-A series are not helping the case much. At least we'll still have socketed CPU options with the desktop CPUs, but I don't know how easily we're gonna get P37xSM-A sized SLI models, or if they'll even bother making them and simply leave SLI to the extreme CPU replacement models.

 

End Of Life = Discontinued

If you want your notebook to last a while, P7xxZM series is your best bet.

 

No they're not 'gimped'. Non-upgradable, yes, but they have the exact same performance as the socketed versions.

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

Someone has been listening to Mr. Fox The CPUs and GPUs will perform the same as the socket based versions just they can't be changed/replaced.

 

The integrated cpu/gpu are no pushovers I agree, but the integrated cpu spec is lower compared to the customizable options available for socket type cpu/gpu. Also the gpu vram is half of what the socketed vram is and later on down the line it will play a role in performance. That is why they're viewed as being gimped to enthusiast who know what they want and require more performance options.

 

4gb is unlikely to be much issue for a single chip. As for CPU spec only the 48xx version is much different and it still offers a lot of tweaking in it. For the form factor you won't do better.

 

Yeah pal, not gimped for people who like or need slim form factors and lighter weight, can't beat integrated when it comes to that.

 

So I got off phone with Power Notebooks after confirming Sharp displays in January. I asked about the P751ZM and they mentioned how Sager did not want to release a desktop-CPU laptop... may have to order from elsewhere.

 

What about the seventeen inches? Is it coming in January too?

 

Interesting.

 

Well the 4710HQ can't OC to 3.5GHz constantly in those machines and the GPUs have the lower vRAM options and neither can be changed... I consider that gimped versus the MQ series. Then again, I want 8GB vRAM 980Ms quite badly and a 4930MX with DDR3 2133MHz CL10 or so RAM. So... I'm not most people. But I would indeed be FAR more accepting with them offering the 4860HQ or 4980HQ models and 6GB/8GB 970M/980M cards.

 

Interesting. Perhaps Mythologic, Eurocom, or Rjtech may be options in the states if this holds true.

 

The ability to hold an overclock has nothing to do with it being a soldered chip though if overclocking you will want to tweak things like thermal pads and thermal paste along with voltages so I am sure 3.5ghz will be obtainable with some propper work.

The thin class of machine is not for those needing extreme CPU power (3.5ghz will be enough for any game with the 980M though), that's what the larger models are for That's why having the range is good.

 

wow, speechless

no wonder its been so super quiet in the owner's lounge reseller-wise

 

Of course the higher specification CPUs have higher performance - they also cost more money! An identically specced socketed CPU will have identical performance to a soldered one; i7-410HQ performs identically to the i7-4710MQ. When you say 'all soldered processors are gimped' it makes it sounds like an otherwise identical CPU would be slowed down somehow compared to the socketed version just due to be soldered, which isn't the case. Yes, VRAM can make a difference but we have yet to see a single game where that is the case. I have yet to see any game next year which will require more than 4GB at 1080p. 2016 could be different, but I plan to upgrade to a Pascal/Skylake laptop by then. But that is a more reasonable concern than on the CPU side. I would still say that any game that uses the entire 4GB VRAM pool at medium or high settings will still look absolutely gorgeous at 1080p, despite there being an ultra uber setting available that requires 8GB or whatever the case may be!

There's still the fact that you can't upgrade it, which I totally understand is not in the least bit useful to enthusiasts who want their machine to last many years at to performance, but in of themselves, CPUs and GPUs that are soldered and identically specced to their socketed cousins do not have degraded performance in any way whatsoever - so I fail to see how they are inherently 'gimped'

*steps off the soapbox*

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

*cheers and applauds*

 

Well when HTWingnut reviewed one of these, he set the power limits as high as it could go, used throttlestop and tried various things; it could not pass 3.4GHz constantly. The 3.5 clock wouldn't hold; heat was not the cause of the throttle. But I've seen others with 4710s get it. And you're right, they do perform the same at stock and whatnot. I just like the flexibility. But choice is indeed a good thing for everyone.

My main thing is that this whole race for the thin is gonna set the whole laptop market back so many years. EVERY SINGLE NEW MODEL has a soldered CPU in it. Every. Single. One. This is like, the stuff of years aback. I'm not someone with a truckton of money. I save and fight and every few years I get a beast and I keep it. This time, unlike with my D900F which was entirely proprietary (NO part was exchangable with anything other than a D900F; even the keyboard. Yes, I tried. A D901C or D900T keyboard would leave shift & control not working as in not registering as even a key pressed, and keys would be inherently re-mapped like J = K, K = L, L = M, M = J. Yeah, try and type with that.) stuff is not so with my P370SM3. And it's good to have interchange-able parts. For warranty purposes and all sorts of stuff. What if you got a really good/cool CPU? Or an awesome GPU? And something else went wrong and you had the system changed entirely? Or if something goes wrong out of warranty and your only choice is "buy a new machine". Which you might not be able to right then; at least not something as strong as the previous was.

End of the day, I'm not arguing or trying to say nobody should buy thin machines or whatever. That isn't the case; people want what they want. But it still makes me sad that more people don't seem to find any problems with having mostly everything integrated on a board. Imagine if you got a soldered 880M with its overheating and throttling issues and they won't let you replace it with an entirely new model and nobody'd buy it from you. What's what? A $2000 money sink? I don't like that, on principle.

 

just want to clear this up, the information that Sager will not release a desktop-CPU laptop is incorrect.

we will offer both the 15" and 17" desktop-CPU laptop, the current rough ETA for both unit is sometime in January.

more details on both unit will be provided once we have a more confirmed release time frame.


Thanks for understanding.

 

thats surely a relief for lots of users out there thx for the heads-up!

 

So close yet so far.

 

Will the P7 models cost in excess of £1500 if not more? I ask this as that will be way over my budget then.
Also apart from scan what are the other best and reliable resellers in the UK?

 

seeing as there are, as of this moment, exactly three vendors offering this machine for pre-order worldwide, its a bit difficult to answer your "how much will it cost" question check those vendors urself with the config ure aiming for and see what u get

 

You can configure it for less than £1500. Check out Scan's website and see for yourself.

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

The 17 inch is coming out sooner than expected I think... go to XMG's XMG XTRAVAGANZA and go to the letter F (dec 20)...

 

It's already for sale at scan.uk.

 

But still no US sellers -_-

 

Ah... didn't notice they already linked it on the other thread my bad

 

I hope I can ask this here.

Will there be a newer model of the P150SM?

It's a great machine that is customizable as compared to the other models such as P150 that are soldered.

I am wondering if there really is going to be a newer P150SM, it would likely come with soldered CPU huh?

 

I don't think Clevo update their P15x/17x again. I think they will discontinue the lineup soon and replace it with P75x/77x.