Any information on the new Clevo P7x0ZM?

Been emailing back and forth with Blue, however I'm giving other resellers/vendors till this upcoming week to pop theirs up, even so if nothing else I can always cancel my order w/ Blue if a better configuration option comes up. However given that I will be ordering this with mostly barebones and adding the drives/Memory myself (possibly even displays) I don't mind flipping for it now, since once that's done I can concentrate on just grabbing the parts, then messing with charts and learning to do a proper review prior to receiving it so I can quickly answer any demanding person's needs/requirements/and questions.

 

yep, shes going polish batman

 

Given the Clevo's track record I think these models comes with TN panels. I might change the display my self.

 

depends, the 1080p displays will be a mix of TN / IPS depending on the shop. any higher res displays will definitely be IPS though...

 

Is this going to have nvidia optimus? I really hope it doesn't :/

 

We'll see. I'm thinking about upgrading to below panel if it comes with TN.

http://www.panelook.com/LP156WF4-SPC1_LG Display_15.6_LCM_overview_21864.html

 

Nope, which is another reason i'm going for it.

As for the displays in a way I hope they're compatible w/ the p651's since I hear they have some good options but if they're all 25ms or higher then I take it back and hope its a whole new arsenal of goodness <3

@Mobius probably the best title yet

 

What is wrong with Nvidia Optimus? Not trying to say it's bad/good, just want to learn something.

 

adds latency to display signal

3D output not possible

PITA to install/update drivers and configure dGPU/iGPU profiles

doesnt let you overclock the display refresh rate / stuck at 60 Hz

...

 

Do you think they will discontinue the 8268-S once the P751ZM is released?

 

Everything eventually gets discontinued, I believe it will still be up for another year at least since it utilizes mobile CPU's however there's no doubt that this is its successor at least.

 

I was considering the 8268-S until I saw the specs for the ZM... Hoping the resellers have good screen options for it, since Sager discontinued the 95% gamut screen for some reason. I need it for Maya 2015, Unreal Engine 4, and Photoshop, so the color accuracy would have been a really nice bonus to the horsepower. Although I've read stories that the wide gamut can be a PITA to work with and that games require individual calibration on a per game basis, which makes it more tedious than beneficial. Here's to hoping for at least an IPS panel though. 100% sRGB would be ideal (72% NTSC I think), but I've only seen those on 17" screens.

 

my bet is we will most probably see a refresh of the current P150 / P170 models sometime next spring once the broadwell mobile cpus are out...

the 4K screen by sharp which is also gonna be offered for this model has 100% sRGB. thats also what im planning to go for once preorders are up

 

Just to chime in, it wasn't Sager that discontinued, they just stopped offering since the mfc that made the LCD's stopped producing them which to me is still pretty retarded. There are however other 95%, 92% 97% and 100% variants out there, some as high as 85% , however as long as its 74% or higher w/ a good calibrator you'll be within your realm, I do the same type of work, and color accuracy is a big thing for me, however as far as games go with unique calibration requirements, that's something I've never experienced, and I run various types of monitors as well ranging from 72%-100% only diff I see is saturation/vividness

SO yeah as far as screen options the only 3 I"ve seen are 1080p ( which the vendor will be emailing me about in a week or so when they have the info ) and the 4k options SHARP and SAMSUNG, however according to them this is just the preliminary specs and more options will obviously be offered. It's still somewhat early to tell however you're coming in at a great time since within this week we're going to have more vendors/resellers popping up the same models giving us a great surplus of info and idea of where to buy from and what it accepts. From there you can plan out accordingly via compatible displays etc.

 

I need one of these nao NAO NAO!!! :cry:

 

how much of an improvement would deliding really show concerning cooling/heat transfer?

 

At least 10C if the heatsink makes proper contact.

With desktop coolers it's less of an issue due to the very high mount pressure, but I'm not sure how well Clevo's heatsink would get along with a bare die, considering that's about 2.5mm worth of Z-height lost. An alternative is to delid, apply Liquid Ultra to the die and IHS, add some silicone sealant and pop the IHS back on again. Not as good as bare die but should still see an improvement.

 

was about to say, one could basically just exchange the TIM between the IHS and the die and still run the cpu "stock" with IHS but improved heat transfer

 

Intel 4790k came with much improved TIM inside the IHS, I don't think changing that going to show big difference. 4770k on the other hand required delid due to bad Tim.

 

New Thermal Interface Material, made with a Next Generation Polymer (NGPTIM)

Additional capacitors on the underside for smoother power delivery

 

tru that but reviews only showed a 5-6C difference with the new TIM at same clock and voltage when comparing 4770K with 4790K. considering the reported 20-25C improvement with delidding one would still expect a 15-20C improvement with the 4790K.

just found this interesting offer on ebay: Intel Delid Service - VRM Protection - Thermal Paste - Sealant - Temp Testing | eBay

 

You can drop temp minimum 10°C by controlling load voltage. At default i7 4790k eat power but actually it doesn't require that much.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8227/devils-canyon-review-intel-core-i7-4790k-and-i5-4690k/2

 

The paste is still very poor. I'd be very tempted to delid it (WARNING THIS IS DANGEROUS )

 

I did that to my old 3770, bit hard but I enjoyed the job. Lol!

 

mmmyea bit reluctant to fumble around a 300€ cpu with a giant friggin razorblade so tempting though considering the potential drop in temps!

 

Yes, but after reading Anandtech 4790k review I'm convinced we can simply reduce temp by lowering load voltage. Look at the link I posted, Intel is ultra generous with load voltage.

 

Here's the Anadtech temp result,

 

reading the article as we write here

edit: well, id say optimize the load voltage AND delid the cpu

 

In other words....

 

I think AnandTech was simply trying to find the minimum voltage needed to sustain the overclock. At least for mobile chips Haswell's default voltage is universally too high, and nearly all chips can be undervolted by -50mV and still maintain stability.

I get the feeling 4.5GHz on 4790K won't be possible in the P7xxZM until a delid is performed. Then comes the issue of getting a proper heatsink mount, which may or may not require shims. It might be harder than it's supposed to be due to the CPU and GPU sharing the heatsink.

 

Depending on the mounting system you could look to adjust that as well. Depends how serious you get

 

But I imagine the stock retention mechanism would have to go? Given that the IHS is a good 2mm+ worth of Z-height.

 

well as i mentioned before, one could still keep the IHS and just swap the TIM between the die and IHS, that would already improve the heat transfer greatly. theres always that nice delid/liquid ultra/relid service on ebay though...

well, before doing anything like that id of course check the stock oc capability and temps on my model at stock, maybe ill already be happy with that...

 

Yeah that's the big question mark how this model will handle temps.
Are there any pictures of the bottom panel?

 

The liquid ultra is your best bet after running bare die since you won't be replacing it often

 

Bit of a stupid question here. How early can you buy it? I need a new computer to use before 2015.

 

Earliest will be next month.. So far its seems Bluemobility get stock on Dec 15 and Eurocom only do in Jan 2015 so unless you order from Poland (which i wouldn't unless you lived there), you'll probably have to wait till jan..

 

Should have some in the next couple weeks, once the vendors start getting them in I"m sure pics will be sent out to the re sellers to display. I have a lightbox ready to put the laptop inside once I get it ( bought a larger one ) and setting up my studio so I can take some epicly proportioned prof pics of all sides including insides along w/ measurements etc.

Blue Mobile offers a 2 and 3 year global warranty so don't really see an issue other than if you need to ship it back lol. They DO utilize DHL so 2-3 day service is nice. That + you'll get it a month sooner than anyone else which is another pro, however if you're holding out for options or don't want it super fast then nothing wrong w/ patience either. I'm looking at it as "I can get w/e part I need to replace whatever part I don't and this reseller offers barebones as well meaning I can really tailor this down to what I want and get the additional parts on my own which is a + "

However I notice that option being only available overseas as most US sellers I've seen don't give the option for 0 RAM and other areas. I"m aware Xotic allows you to not include any HDD's iirc though they throw in free ones so no point in selecting none for a free drive IMHO.

 

Hopefully we'll see some preorder info.

 

Ah yeah, I wonder if there's any particular seller in the US that would allow you to configure it with no RAM. Since most of them just sell generic kits instead of specific ones we want.

 

I've yet to see any however there are a lot of them, My guess is due to the after services that they provide that it would require them to provide their own parts in order to tweak or configure anything that requires accessing the laptop, which makes sense, however it's possible that they might MIGHT wave it if you email them asking o.o never tried though, but worth a shot pm'ing/emailing one.

Ordering mine this week as a placeholder, just waiting on their email back on shipments to the US. If another reseller surfaces w/ other options or closer within the dates I can always still cancel.

 

Wait wait.. Is it 2-3 year global warranty where they will pay for shipping or you have to? For me warranty is very important and hence I'm fussy.. Also need to sort the cash before buying anything so I will wait

 

Eurocom Jan is confirmed?

That would mean US resellers could trend to the same date. Aaaarrrgghh!!

Anyways, I'll be getting the 8GB option from Xotic or somewhere, and plugging that into my VAIO or selling it on EBAY.

 

Just wait for me lol I'll let you know if its safe to jump over the fire.

 

I love your attitude LunaP
Nothing's going to stop you now!
Have you settled on what screen and CPU combo you will go with?

 

Why don't you just buy a nice external screen like the ROG PG278Q? Since so far there's no laptops that are made with 1ms response panel.

 

with all the hype I"m torn between the 1080p and the 4k Sharp, I"d rather have gloss , but if I decide otherwise I"ll grab the 1080p for now and upgrade to something later once I see what other compatible displays there are.

I might down the road, but since I already have 4x 1440p displays I've no real reason to spend the extra money to replace them w/ the same res. Granted 120hz is nice but w/ my rig I will see around 90 fps at most given all my monitors lol which would still look better, but I'd rather wait till the next few generations of GPU's before I jump up again. This ones more for playing from my car/work/anywhere BUT my room(excluding my bed)

 

I'd go with the sharp 4k myself because the general quality even if scaled will be very good.

 

Well crap, if Meaker says so then its impossible for me to argue

that or jaybee got to you xD

However my only remaining worry on this is that I play games in window most of the time so I can easily alt tab w/o waiting for the game to minimize/change resolutions since I'm usually chatting, looking things up etc so yeah... however if there's something on missing on this then please clear my doubts oh mighty meaker <3

 

Linus' review of a 4k laptop screen on youtube seems to suggest that you'd want to play games windowed anyway, because most games would get giant black bars around top and bottom if forced into full screen at that resolution. That's one of my biggest concerns with 4k... most games just don't support it yet. And chances are old games will never get it without some type of community mod. The workaround appears to be changing the display resolution to 1080, which logs you out of win 8.1 to apply the changes.

(video in reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjRJde3Im1I )