Anyone else disappointed?

Dont forget, we sell the old ones. Still pretty expensive, but slightly less painful.

 

Makes sense to go for the low end, manufacturers making PCs/laptops for the low/mid tier consumers don't really care who makes the graphics cards, they care that they get enough performance to make the average consumer happy at a low cost to them.

Both AMD and ATI fell at the same time trying to win all segments of their market. When the high end market swayed towards Intel and Nvidia the rest of the market dominoed as well. While they can continue producing for all the market segments, the new AMD is probably better off focusing on the lower end, and let Intel/Nvidia spend money trying to move the industry upmarket selfishly (as they want the better margins that would produce), and AMD can try and recapture the bottom that Intel/Nvidia moves away from.

IMO AMD will have a much easier time getting back into the game on the graphics segment vs. Nvidia than they will in the processors segment vs. Intel. The reason: ARM. They've been creeping into the lower end of the processor world with phones and then tablets. They're not at the laptop level really yet, but as the tablet/multi/laptop worlds evolve, it's probably only a matter of time. It'll take even more time for them to reach the graphics world needed for PCs & laptops, which gives AMD a much better chance at trying to secure that segment. It'll be really interesting how ARM evolves, and where it goes from here.

 

I thought GTX1060 also uses extra power connector. If not thats good, but if I am willing to upgrade my laptop's graphics card, I would prefer to upgrade to GTX1070, not GTX 1060, which perform only 20% better than my GTx980m

 

@Mr. Fox @bloodhawk @Papusan

I like this...

 

Only if everything is socketed, fully unlocked with all power settings open, 100% upgradeable hardware from Acer with guaranteed 2-3 gen graphics and with good enough cooling for maximum overclocking!! No less than this. Not nice with a Porche with a low powered 1.0L vw engine from Polo.

 

Socketed means nothing to me anymore. look at what Clevo did. What benefit did we get with socketed components? my laptop is in a prison now with 0 upgrades possible to GPU/CPU

I've always wanted something bigger than 17" laptop, 18" is the minimum and this even gets better with 21"

 

I don't suppose anyone recalls my posts about a thicker laptop with mechanical KB, do they?

While I'm withholding judgment until we know what's inside (socketed vs. bga), take a look @Papusan, someone out there must be having similar thoughts. [see the discussion here - http://forum.notebookreview.com/posts/10247289/]

 

Ok. Bro You want an unlocked i7BGA clocked up to 4.2 GHz on one core and probably throttling if TDP go over 58W. You're welcome!! Not me Never ever I will touch Trash!! Start building you a mini gaming rig with the best hardware on the market... Not buy Garbage. Listening to us bro.
But if we can't guide you on the right track again... You will regret your not so smart choice!!

 

noone knows what CPU it will have yet, they just said it will have an i7 and no, I am not repeating the same mistake of building a desktop again and having 15 wires that I need to hookup, monitor, PSU, keyboard, etc.

 

I am with you buddy it's on my radar!

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This is other people's choice. Don't do stupid things before you know that the machine can manage everything in my previous posts. And never be a Guinea pig. Best advice ever!!

 

Ah, my friend, I'll definitely look before I leap, but some other great advice, The early bird gets the worm!

And like Daddy always says, "If you ain't first, you're last." - (apologies to those not familiar with this movie comedy in the States)

 

your dad is 100% correct buddy

 

I will rather be last and can change my mind, stop the purchase after seeing crippled hardware in work

 

We might get some activity to replace the old core 2 threads on the Acer section

 

I'm just disappointed in general, at receiving a faulty Sager and then having a bad RMA experience with Xotic I was so pumped to get the NP8173, and I could accept that sometimes things arrive faulty but the RMA process being so bad has just ruined my excitement completely. Looks like it's going to be a better idea to get a refund, and consider buying a new laptop.

 

I have not had a PM about this....

 

Wow. Yeah, that new Predator has my attention as well. It looks ( on the outside) like literally everything a beast master could ever want. Somebody wake me up when we have proof about what is on the inside. If it has BGA GPUs and anything less than a desktop K-series socket mounted CPU it will go on my ignore list faster than you can shake a stick. I absolutely refuse to compromise on BGA feces... won't have it now or later. To accept BGA filth would be the technological equivalent of cutting off your own testicles and eating them for dinner. BGA in something that is supposed to be special truly is a sin, and an unpardonable one at that. The wages of sin is death.

 

Trust me I understand the point, we just have to wait and see if this is being built for the right or wrong reasons.

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It would be nice if someone can add a poll on this thread to know how many is satisfied or dissatisfied with the new clevo machines and what are the best alternatives. It could help future buyers like me to decide what's the best option right now especially for those who will spend a ton of money on these types of machines.

 

The short answer is there are no acceptable alternatives unless you're willing to make a massive compromise by inviting BGA filth into your life.

Plus, it's too early to ask because there are not enough people that can speak intelligently on the subject of new models. I can tell you the P870DM-G was the best laptop I have ever owned and I absolutely loved it. I've owned the best of the best for a long time, so that's quite a testimony to how awesome it truly is. It eclipsed everything else by a gigantic margin. The one and only reason I got rid of it is I could not upgrade it to 1080 SLI. That is one of the reasons I will never waste my money on a BGA piece of trash. The other reasons are they are gimped performers by design and intent, not to mention the fact that they are disposable junk.

 

I agree with @Mr. Fox

There are no alternatives but that is to be expected in this kind of market. I remember reading years ago about MXM and the potential it had. Fast forward to around early August this year and I thought the standard was dead. I almost purchased an Alienware multiple times throughout the past several years. I couldn't do it. If something breaks down in my DT, I can replace the component. If something breaks down in my laptop (damn you Asus G1s), the entire laptop has to be replaced.

Now that I have been informed and know about Clevo-style DTR's, I cannot and will not buy anything that doesn't allow me to replace a component myself. Most of you are angry about the upgradability but I am more concerned about component replacements (even when those replacement parts are severely overpriced).

I am now searching for a smaller laptop in the Clevo world that will replace my Macbook Air and Macbook Pro for business.

 

Preach! Are you me? I feel the exact same way. I have seen way too many people have their GPU die here and then they're able to replace it BECAUSE it's MXM. That's not happening on BGA, ever.

 

Upgrade-ability is important for number-chasers like me and @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER and the slew of others that love benching, but both of you are 100% correct. Sockets and slots are important for everyone except for the filthy OEMs that are using BGA to make themselves richer at the expense of their fanboys.

Being able to replace a component that fails is the price for general admission to greatness. Nothing with soldered crap CPU or GPU(s) will ever qualify as awesome under any circumstances. That's just common sense. Having to replace a motherboard, CPU and GPU just because one of them has a problem is the pinnacle of retardedness. If an MXM 1080 is more than $1,000 I shudder to think at what a motherboard for these Pascal BGA turdbooks might cost.

 

We could be one and the same. Based on your PC specs, we likely are. I may not have the number of DTR's you have but I have way too many DT's (I have four personal), one media server and a custom hardware firewall/router. Then my Mac's (no, I am not an Apple fan, but work beckons their use).

 

Been there. My Asus G1s' GPU burned out after less than two years and Asus blamed me for it. The problem was widespread. I was going to take it apart and see if I could resolder it (the GPU ran SO hot, that the solder cracked) but I just swore off gaming laptops from that point. I still have the laptop sitting in my computer graveyard, teasing me.

 

If not a Clevo/Sager, then what?

 

Like Mr. Fox stated, there really isn't any real alternatives to Clevo. The MXM (rather the DTR) standard is at a crossroads. In the driver seat is Clevo and MSI. The road on the left is fraught with BGA, continuous changes to MXM and a total lack of consumer first mentality. It will reap the most revenue. The road on the right is far less traveled. On it you must put consumers over the bottomline, sticking to established standards and keeping your word (looking at you MSI). This road doesn't have quite the revenue stream coming in but consumer loyalty keeps you afloat.

Most businesses will choose the left road and as a business owner, I can't blame them. I am privately owned and they have shareholders, which is why Clevo and MSI are pulling this crap. If DTRs were more profitable, I am sure we would have other OEM companies in the fray.

 

Yeah, the looks are that the GPUs may be bga, although there are rumors of a desktop socket CPU. Five fans, two by where the GPU dies are pushing the air back (similar to the desktop cooler design), 2 in the corner pushing out against a wrapped fin array (array both on the back wrapping around to the side with the fan pushing out in both directions), and a fifth fan, presumably to help with the CPU on that side. If it is MXM and desktop socketed K series CPU (Which, with that cooling, may support a 140W CPU next year's model (to those that don't know, different socket) with potentially cooler Volta), it would definitely be in the running. I've only heard rumors on bga our sockets at this point, but the cooling... And 21"display, of course!

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I rather have a BGA CPU then BGA GPUs tbh.. I can live with that but BGA GPUs is a recipe for disaster especially in such a case with 2 1080s... Mobo replacement is going to be $2000+++

 

I agree. This is why finding out mxm and socket is so important...

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LOL. I s$*t you not! and not that this would be likely, but I was just thinking how I'd go for iGPU or low end bga GPU in exchange for socketed CPU that was octo or deca core, SMP, OR 5 + 9.5 mm drives!

Either way we agree our priority components must be SOCKETED.

 

I don't disagree however if I had to pick that would be my choice... Currently....

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Expecting Acer to sport the socketed HW ?, look what are they pushing "21" panel" "5 Fans" & these two extremely idiotic "See thru fan ? " "To customize the plastic crap panel" Watch the promo video / screenshots and look at the HS that CPU has 7700K with 2 pipe ? Plus It sports a similar design that of GT83VR CPU Fan (Have a look at that stupid design) Heck the 3940XM on M18x R2 sports 3 pipe...

I will break a bank and buy you all each an Acer 21x if it ships with LGA and MXM. Just delete that machine from your thoughts.. ffs

Spoiler: From 10xx thread...predator pascal

NotebookCheck has review of Acer Predator 17 with GTX 1070 on their German site:
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Acer-Predator-17-G9-793-Notebook.171896.0.html
Seems to be terrible design. Despite being thick and heavy, it still manages to get CPU to 98 C.
Firestrike graphics score is the lowest from all tested GTX 1070 notebooks, so even GPU isn't cooled properly and it throttles.

src

 

Maybe Acer now will be the new King of BGA machines? A very good start Probably a much better BGA choice then the other thin flimsy machines with soldered J***!!

 

I have six DTs as well. One DT at home (plus 2 older DTs), a Windows Server at home, Linux Server at home, and another DT at my cottage. I'm pretty sure we are the same person.

 

Did I miss something.. Was BGA confirmed?

 

Nothing would be totally confirmed with a protype anyway

 

Although I'm hoping otherwise, it most likely will come as BGA I fear!

I mean a 7700k with two heat pipes? Never ever! But time will tell....

 

They'd be silly to stitch up that machine with a goofy BGA chip. Its far too expensive to be disposable if something fails.

 

At this point maybe the Acer section is more appropriate

 

Cya then

 

I don't expect more than that this new Acer will the BGA king!! Socket i7 would surprise me positively And Acer has come a long way now. They have understood that not all of the gaming laptops need to be thin and flimsy... I really hope this new AcerBook will be at the very top in every benchmarks done by BGA machines on http://www.3dmark.com/search
And the thin flimsy machines will be in the dust because other OEM's use of inadequate design!! Aka thin flimsy with associated weaker cooling

 

Maybe you haven't seen MSI's 6700K heatsink on their whitebook. That only has two pipes. Don't put it above them!

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@Phoenix Read it bro http://community.acer.com/t5/Acer-Ideas/Acer-Predator-21x-hardware/m-p/453935#U453935

 

Awesome man!! I hope they read it. Who is that torqy guy?

 

Sounds norwegian...

 

I can at least guarantee you that he really hates BGA garbage. In all thin, flimsy form and shape BGA MUST DIE!!!!! Fits best in a 13 inches CromeBOOK, tablet or smart phones!!

 

Welcome to the NEW BGA KING bro!! http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/acer-predator-21-x.795578/page-3#post-10335072

NICE!!!

 

Their answer even says, "we don't think you know what you're doing with your own hardware, so we created tiers. The highest is enthusiast and we are going to gimp it unless our people determine it is safe, then we'll revise. But usually the revision will be lower numbers, not higher. Your welcome!"

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