BGA Venting Thread ;)

So I've heard, do you have one?

 

Yes one of the 4xxx generation series, paired with 2133mhz system ram it's ok.

 

Thanks, looks like I should go for a 1440P setup in the long run, but current 1440P monitor prices are quite prohibitive, let alone 4K's

I am already struggling with 1080P gaming on my 560M, that's why I shifting most of my work to my "new" desktop where I can change the GPU (and hence all those posts and threads asking about new Clevo and GPU upgrades).

 

Definitely the way to go if mobility is not required. Much better use of your money than a notebook, and a lot less likely to be disappointed with lame demonstrations of incompetent engineering and half assed quality control that have become hallmarks of the notebook niche.

I am totally agreeing with you on the monitor thing, as the pricing of good monitors is retarded and I am not willing to pay the grossly inflated premiums required for a high end monitor. The cost to pixel ratio is a poor value and I do not derive sufficient personal satisfaction from the better displays to make it worth paying a whole lot more for them.

Anything costing more than $200 per panel starts delivering less bang for buck, and unless the colors are washed out, displayed way out of whack from an accurate color spectrum, severe banding and text is blurry I am going to be fine with paying 200 to 500% less for something that does absolutely nothing to increase my benchmark scores, gaming FPS, or office productivity efficiency.

I would need to see something like a 5 or 10 year express replacement (free cross-shipping next business day) or money-back warranty offered before I would entertain the idea of paying a lot of money for one.

 

Thanks, I prefer to have mobility and a strong "all-in-one" option than having to jump between my laptop and PC though. Just too bad current technology does not allow me to do this well enough to my liking. Heck, at the rate things are going, I am losing my confidence of being able to do so in the future!

And yes, currently only 1080P monitors are in a reasonable price range, especially for IPS monitors. They are so reasonable that even getting two of them can beat the price (and pixel per price) of an IPS 1440P monitor!

 

That would be my preference as well, but I am not willing to make any more sacrifices in performance than I already do between a high end desktop and my P870DM3 for the sake of having an AIO setup. That is already just barely good enough to make me happy.

 

Yeah man, for me, it's either an extremely worthwhile desktop replacement laptop, or a reasonably cheap laptop with a strong PC.

This is why I worry about LGA implementation; if it is bad that will force me to get the cheap laptop and having to worry about another PC

 

Several Dell workstation monitors are certainly worth the money, like the U2414, U2415 and U2515 are all around $200-300, bringing great panel quality at a decent price. At any rate, I have severe trouble finding a decent monitor below $100—either the resolution sucks, or the panel is rubbish.

The premiums for G-Sync make it more of a pain than a gain, and to be really honest, I want my monitor to run at a constant refresh rate (overclocking it would help), and tweak graphics settings so that my frame-rates are always slightly higher. With productivity, these monitors are no-nonsense, literally WYSIWYG.

 

The DELL U2515H is about 300$ and it looks considerably better than most options out there. 25" is a bit small, but the price is sane!

 

The monitor is the primary interaction with the machine, getting a cheap monitor with a high end system is a bit like having a lambo running on narrow economy tires

 

While we are talking about monitor sizes and resolution, I had this question

We established that getting 4K displays, whether external monitors or laptop screens, is at best extravagant as the requirements for them is high (e.g. need extremely good GPU), their price performance is not good enough and its benefits cannot be seen (literally and metaphorically) if the screen is too physically small.

But how about mobile devices? Why people are clamouring over 4K displays on mobile phones?

 

Because bigger numbers = better, apparently. Honestly, on anything 15" or smaller for a PC, full HD is enough. For mobile devices, given that we use them twice to three times as near as a PC, on anything smaller than 7", full HD is enough. Any more pixels and we'd just be wasting battery life; likewise for the notebook PC.

 

Yeah, I get that. Just like buying the most incredible high performance tires with an extreme speed rating for an economy car or family sedan is a total waste of money.

With respect to the monitor, it probably goes without saying that spending a lot more on something because it has features that you will not use or cannot really appreciate would be foolish if not frivolous. Good to balance features with need since the extra money spend on things one doesn't care about could be used on something to make the box go faster. Or, something equally important, like good old fashioned debt elimination or blessing someone else with the excess.

G-Stink is a great example of something I would not be willing to pay extra for in a monitor.

 

For PCs I feel like the optimum pixel density is around 200 ppi/dpi or 80 ppcm. Which would make for 3200x1800 for 17inch laptops and or 2800x1600 for 15inch laptops. I am sorry, I really like to keep things nice and crisp. I used by 17.1inch 1920x1200 for many years and you can clearly see the pixels at 133 dpi.

 

Thanks, I am quite surprised too at the usage for 4K display screens on mobile devices, I thought I was missing out on something

Spending a lot more for features or not is a fine balance of the tech world; you may never know when you will need some of those features sometimes

 

Oh, then you haven't seen 1920 × 1080 at 13.3"... That sweet, sweet HIDPI...

 

Yeah, Dell monitors are generally really good and not too crazy on price most of the time. For just barely over $100 you can get decent 1080p monitors. I really like my pair of ASUS VS228 displays. I have them attached to a Planar dual monitor stand. They were right at $100 each on sale last year when I snagged them. One of the issues noticed when I was last shopping for affordable monitors, many of the el cheapo models were missing features like VESA mounting or undesirable or limited input port options. I also prefer having the PSU in the display chassis and not an in-line brick like a notebook AC adapter. The really cheap ones use a brick instead of integrating it.

Yeah, I am still a huge fan of 1080p (or 1200p) for anything under like 23 to 25 inch display. Hard to beat a couple of decent quality 1080p screens on a dual-display stand for overall value and performance. I'd rather spend the money saved going with a decent but affordable monitor on more powerful CPU, more powerful GPU(s), a better PSU or a higher capacity SSD.

Facebook lovers that let their friends tell them what to think and believe. Or, a fetish for burning money as a ticket to being popular within a special clique.

 

Ha, that Facebook echo chamber that I have been hearing about!

But thanks guys, it looks like I may be able to channel some more funds for stuff that really matter!

Simply put, amidst all these laptop stuff, I too am looking to upgrade my Xperia Z3C (which is somewhat struggling for my needs) to something else

 

I think I'm probably done with laptops now. Things are getting to the point where having something truly amazing and desirable is such a pain in the ass that it's not worth the hassles, not to mention the cost. I can just keep on using what I have or replace it with something as cheap and disposable as possible and set my bar for expectations down at the carpet level.

I hope my next build will be something like Skylake-X i7 7000K with 10C/20T paired with whatever is better than 1080 Ti SLI in an open air benching station with phase change cooling.

 

It's a pity eh, this is one of the many choices that I will have to decide soon.

I hope we will be proven wrong for once (in the right way)!

 

What phase change would you go with?

 

Until it's time to actually do it, I am not sure. I'd probably talk to Brother @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER and find out what the experts in that overclocking league are getting the best results with. I try to avoid window shopping with computer stuff because it tends to make me more frustrated and discontent with what I have. Since I'm a working man with limited financial resources whatever I ultimately do will likely be done in stages based on available cash flow.

The definition of what "a lot more" means could vary by individual as well. Some folks have tons to money and splurge on stuff just because they can, even if they will never use it.

I tend to look a monitors much like I do fountain pens. I could buy a fine writing instrument for $25 or use a free give-away Bic fountain pen with business advertisements screen printed on the side of it. Free is a great price and I would not derive enough satisfaction from the $25 pen to justify it. In fact, chances are great that I would end up hating it after realizing that I wasted money on something that does the exactly same thing that the free product does.

NVIDIA G-stink is a great example of a feature that I would not be willing to pay anything extra for, and I would actually opt for one without it if doing so frees up my cash to use for something else.

 

Thanks, not interested in actually going with that cooling at the moment, but I love looking at peoples' builds, especially the extreme cooled ones.

 

Agreed.

How close are you sitting to the display? That seems a bit much. On 100% scaling, I can't see pixels on 25" and 1440P.

1080 on 7" is clearly enough for me for mobiile devices. The content is not as sharp as the resolution most of times

 

Same except 27", I don't see pixels at all in 1440p

 

It's always a balance yes

 

About half a meter away. On my 24 inch - 1440p screen, about 0.75 m away.
I have a 4K display 24 inch side by side with a 24 inch 1440p display, to me the difference is evident. The 4K is a lot sharper than the 1440p. I am short sighted btw .

 

You're using windows scalling for the 4K one?

 

What you mean by content not being sharp?

 

Basically, scaled content. Look at any older, unoptimised website that makes use of too many low-res bitmaps, and they look terribly blurry.

 

Of course!

 

Exactly!

There's so much content that's not even close to that resolution and looks jarring that anything above FHD on a phone brings extremely little improvement to the table. Even my video collection (AMVs) are mostly badly compressed FHD or HD

Oh, that makes a ton of sense then

Yep, you should have a ton of fun in this case !

 

Thanks guys!

Hmm maybe I'll go FHD for my laptop screen (if getting laptop) and smartphone. And multiple FHD screens for desktops instead of one 1440P screen?

 

I'd say again it depends on the screen size and personal preference. I don't think i'd trade my single 1440p for two 1080p monitors, but that's partly because I don't like seeing a bezel in the middle, and partly because the single display works just fine.

 

The personal preference is the tough part; I have not tried 1440P yet. I can always try setting that up but if I don't like it, I will need to spend time and effort selling the stuff off.

It will be a gamble for sure

 

Just get this one and call it a day.

 

Way too expensive man! Haha

Maybe if I get lucky somehow...?

 

I know, but just...look at it.

 

Awesome stats are awesome, but I prefer non-curved screen due to my work though

 

I also prefer non curved to be honest

Working with precise image, having a curved monitor might offset positions for me enough for it to be a problem

No idea if it works well with anime though

 

I only like them for gaming and movies. I don't think I'd like working on one.

 

That is good to keep in mind then

Half of my work is text writing so I would avoid anything that might affect my work even in the slightest

 

I don't imagine text would suffer much, mostly video/image editing or drafting.

 

I'll think that even for typing/coding I will very much prefer non-curved

As for watching videos... I gotta find time to try that!

 

Haven't tried it myself but good to know, wish I could just borrow one for a while to play with and say for sure.

 

Yeah, there should be such audition trial programs for these like for certain audiophile products

One can only dream...

 

There's a local place that has a LOT of hardware (way more than you might imagine since they're a furniture store) but for whatever reason they don't have that many monitors.

 

Of course a furniture store has hardware! You know, those things like hammer, nails, power tools...

Jokes aside, it's a pity, I thought monitors are well sought after too and thus there should be more of them being displayed... What's the name of the shop?

 

Nebraska Furniture Mart. They actually sell pretty much everything.

 

Wow, they offer way more stuff than most of the electronics and furniture stores we have here!